kvs wrote:magnumcromagnon wrote:Ukrainian MIC amounts to glorified maket makers. Their new IFV probably performs like dog-shit, see the Oplot and the BTR-4 for reference. The welding seams on their AFV's are as resilient as the seams on a sliced peanut butter and jelly sandwich's. It goes to show that the Russians were the brains behind their MIC...when they left, the quality went with them, and were even starting to see the same phenomenon in Belarus' MIC as well.
This is no joke. The whole post USSR space outside Russia is undergoing hard core decline in terms of industry and technological capacity.
This is not some chauvinist self-delusion, it is real. Economics and technological capability are not something that is trivial and a few dollars
will keep things intact. It requires a critical mass to function by focusing the education and training of young workers and viable throughput
of factories that pay for research divisions. The post Soviet space has been infested with western laissez-faire monetarist voodoo that
has diverted the economy to reselling of consumer trash and other get rich quick nonsense that afflicts 3rd world countries.
It is sad to see all of the knowhow and human capital wasted, but it is the local residents that drink the koolaid and not just their elites.
Their hate for Russia is simply insane. By now anyone with a functional brain should have realized that Russia was no colonialist occupant
but facilitated development and real prosperity for the masses (NATzO Cold War propaganda is not worth the paper space).
Russia by contrast retained the critical mass all though it was touch and go during the 1990s since the same voodoo economics rot was
afflicting it as well. But Russia has to stand on its own to survive the attack from NATzO since it has not surrendered like the post Soviet
Ukraine, Georgia, now Belorus and apparently Kazakhstan. Their elites just need some crumbs from their NATzO masters and can let their
countries decline to real 3rd world levels but Russia cannot.
The Ukrummyians are now claiming responsibility for the origins of Armata!