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    Post  Azi on Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:25 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    No, but combined with Ango-Saxons in USA they instituted racist policies of slavery & the Manifest Destiny to justify their treatment of Africans, Natives, Mexicans, Hawaiians & later Philippinos.
    Biggest slave holders in history of mankind are not americans, or germans or eurpeans...arabs were the biggest slave holder!!!

    For thousands of years slavery was popular, respected and a big business among arabs. Saudi Arabia for example forbid slavery 1963 official, inofficial the guest workers from asia are treated like slaves til today. Today in Libya africans goes often into slavery of arabs. They are assured historic documents that arab pirates enslaved even population in Iceland....til 18. century arab pirates enslaved often europeans from the mediterranean coastline. Thousands and millions of example more...

    So please no wrong history! Every culture, every country has a dark chapter!!! We are living in the present and slavery is no problem in the USA anymore. Problem is imperial and ruthless politic of USA, against other countries.

    And racism occurs everywhere on the planet. Do you think chinese or japanese poeple are not racist? Do you think the black panther movement was not racist? Europeans (white people) are mostly not target of racism, because they are somehow cultural and technological leaders worldwide since 250 years. Racism ist of course stupid and one of the biggest dangers of the world, but xenophobia is a genetical coded part of mankind...so everyone is more or less a racist. So it's good to know were the real problems are, so you can fight fair against racism worldwide.
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    Post  Azi on Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:41 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:His sister can own mars for anyone cares
    She isn't the politician, her brother is.

    Or should we all dig into each and every senator of the US and what they or their family owns?

    It would make this sister blush.
    Soo true! Even his pets can own estates in Moscow...important is that he does a good job!!! And he did in the past!
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:32 pm

    LOL!! These are the same fucking morons that insist that Putin has horded $50B, no.. $100B... no $200B (maybe in gold bars in his "Palace" on the Black Sea Laughing) , and has stashed that money in other peoples accounts to hide it... which of course makes that money legally theirs, but presstitite scum like BBC minions never allow facts to get in the way of their BS narratives...

    A pox on these liars.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:08 am


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    Azi wrote:
    BULLSHIT!

    The M1 helmet of the US-Army during WW2 looked complete different. The "new" helmet appeared during 80ies, exactly mid of 80ies. The "new" helmet is known as PASGT helmet .


    please read with understanding - who said it was US II WW helmet?
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    Azi wrote:
    Real successors of the roman empire are...

    - Russia! It's the political and cultural successor of the byzantine empire.
    - Germany! Because the "holy roman empire of german nation" was the political successor to western roman empire.
    - Italy! It is the cultural successor to the roman empire and the land itself is the birthplace of roman empire. Rome is capital of Italy!!!


    not really, there are no legal successors of roman empire. As for Rome, Well Istanbul/Byzantium/Constantinople was historically a Greek city what doesn't make automatically Turkey Byzantine Empire's successor.

    Reference to Rome - only US and III Reich did it in all aspects, architecture, military, technology, world conquer politics. I wonder if end will be alike?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:10 am

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    he could be. Dyumin had anyway at least another year and half in his term as Governor of Tula until end of 2021. We will see what happens after that. Maybe he could stay for one year or so as deputy first minister or deputy foreign minister to gain experience in other areas before replacing the prime minister sometimes in 2023, and putin could leave a few months earlier than the actual end of his mandate in order to put him as his successor and giving him more chances during the elections.

    Ot maybe dyumin will just serve as a competent sidekick and the proposed Putin replacement will come as a complete surprise.


    Hehe we'll need to live to see, but in every case this make sense to me.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:21 am

    BBC isn't it THE news outlet which told story about Saddam's chemical weapons and Assad's chemical attacks in Syria? like outlet like credibility




    miketheterrible wrote:His sister can own mars for anyone cares
    She isn't the politician, her brother is.

    Or should we all dig into each and every senator of the US and what they or their family owns?

    It would make this sister blush.


    the good question would be when BBC checked exact property status of all royal family members? Im sure it is in publicly open databases.
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    Post  Azi on Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:09 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    not really,  there are no legal successors of roman empire. As for Rome, Well Istanbul/Byzantium/Constantinople   was historically a Greek city what doesn't make automatically Turkey Byzantine Empire's successor.

    Reference to Rome - only US and III Reich did it in all aspects, architecture, military, technology, world conquer politics. I wonder if end will be alike?
    They are legal successor to roman empire!

    The Franconians were a big and powerful german tribe allied with romans as a "foederati". After 3. century they overtook slowly the roman empire, during this time nearly 50 % of all western roman troops were germans and many germans were in high positions in Rome. Odoaker (was not Franconian) was a german tribesman and general of Rome, he overtook the power of german tribes settling in Italy and was more powerful, than the last Caesar of Rome. Odoaker made an end to roman caesars. So the Kings of Franconians, who overtook of german tribes and Odoakers "Kingdom of Italy" were in tradition of the kings of Rome and the Caesar of the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation had his approval from the Pope, the bishop of Rome. This is the first empire, it was destroyed by Napoleon, later the 2. empire was found and ended with the end of WW1. Hitler called his empire the "3. Reich"...I hope you understand why!
    Funfact by the way, people from middle of Italy to middle of Germany are genetic the same ethnicity more or less! In northern Germany the DNA is different, belonging more to Scandinavia.

    Sofia Palaiologa was the nice of the last caesar of Byzanz and married to Ivan III Grand Duke of Moscow. Nearly the whole orthodox ekklesia emigrated to Russia. Russia is successor to Rome (Eastern Roman Empire/Byanz), because of the marriage of Sophia with Iwan III and the leading orthodox ekklesia moving to Russia.

    Italy...is more or less clear!

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    All official successors to Rome were allowed to have the eagle in the flag and seal, according to heraldry. The eagle was the sign of the Roman Empire. Russia has an eagle as seal and sign, Germany has, Austria (part of German Empire later independant) has..and funny Albania has an double headed eagle, because first Albanian leader after turkish occupation was an Austrian Duke or something like this. Poland is linked to Bohemia, like Germany...so they have an eagle.

    USA had long discussion about the national seal...first suggestions had no eagle. It took 6 years for the final version of seal. The creators had no really clue about heraldry ;D really! So the seal is very storytelling, pseudo-epic, mawkish but....it is an artificial seal.

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    Architecture....

    So Pantheon in Paris is NAZI architecture? It's called classicism!!! Many buildings in the 18. and 19. century are build in the classicist style, for example the British Museum. Best example for russian classicism is St. Peterburg...the old city (mix of baroque and classicsm)! That's why the representative building of USA look so "roman" they are all build in the classicist style, not like in France (Versailles), Spain, Germany (Sansoucci) or Britain (Kensington)...earlier means baroque architecture. By the way, baroque evolved from renaissance (means awakening), and idol was the antique.

    Architecture NAZIs used was called neo-classicism combined with brutalism. Yes, brutalism is an own style of architecture. Soviets used to build in "soviet neo-classicism". Another architecture style in USSR was constructivism.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:47 pm

    Absolute Putin
    https://www.apn.ru/index.php?newsid=38164

    He consolidates power while pretending to share it. Just keeping pace with Comrade Xi!
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    Post  kvs on Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:59 pm



    All the usual Russia-hating suspects are bitching and moaning about the move to remove term limits. The above video makes a good
    case why term limits are BS for Russia.

    With term limits the president becomes a "lame duck" in the second half of his send term in the USA. Nobody cares about him and various
    groups and interests wait for the next president to come on the scene. That works for America with its two party state structure since
    there is no venue to push a candidate outside the existing channels.

    In Russia, if Putin became a lame duck, then you would see something close to a free for all by all sorts of interests to push their candidate
    into office. This would destroy the national stability that Putin built after 1999 which has restored prosperity to Russia. You can claim
    that Putin failed to establish a proper system where he would not have to be the perpetual care-taker. Well, building a US two party
    regime with all the interests lined up like ducks in a row was never possible for Russia in the first place. After the mess the oligarchs
    made during the 1990s, the public was not going to put up with a western style servile government representing de facto some conjunction
    of elites. Putin established a real government for and of the people. His "regime" is keeping the oligarchs and assorted private interests
    who want to be a deep state under control. The negative aspect of this equilibrium is that the regime cannot rely on special interests
    to inject their whore candidate in a predictable fashion. Putin has to find the right political candidate and the right time to enable a
    transition of power.

    So the real issue is not Putin's authoritarianism, which does not exist, it is the lack of western style deep state stability where star chambers
    choose who the public can vote for and what policies are acceptable. Russia simply does not have such pseudo-totalitarianism. The moment
    Putin retires there can be a 1990s bloodbath where a western style deep state representing vested interests tries to take root. This is
    probably too much cognitive dissonance for many people who think that their placebo elections in the west mean something. But Russia
    has the closest thing to democracy in a major power around. That is why it is not stable and has to engage in such a slow process
    of succession.

    The Trump presidency in the USA is good evidence of the existence of a deep state in the "free west". You can see the absurd collaboration
    between the US "free media" the Democrat Party, state organs of power (FBI, CIA, and judiciary) in trying to stage a coup. The reason
    for this fight to be in the open is that the US is at a cross roads. The globalization offshoring path has turned into a dead end since
    the marginal returns from the developing world are falling fast. The USA failed to seize global capitalism and China and India are nurturing
    their own trans-national mega-corps. So the spice flow back to the USA is diminishing when originally it showed promise of unbounded
    growth. Just think, the US deep state elites could throw about 150 million US consumers under the bus and get over 600 million consumers
    in mostly China and India. But this greed-driven delusion did not last. Then we have the serious exogenous shock of increasing cost
    of oil which makes global shipping more expensive and eventually will kill it. At the same time, the China sweatshop and other sweatshops
    are disappearing as workers are paid more and more. In fact, this issue is so serious that Congress sent a mission to China a few years
    ago literally centered on the increasing labour costs in China. Trump represents the part of the US deep state elites that have woken
    up and smelled the death of globalism. The Democrats represent the part of the deep state that is drinking the business as usual koolaid.
    Hillary's threats to fight Russia in Syria mark this delusion clearly.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:56 am

    The west can bitch and moan all they like... they already call them communists anyway and don't recognise any democratic process that results in Putin winning an election so why would anyone give a fuck about what the western media says.

    The only opinions that matter are the opinions of the Russian people.
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    Post  PhSt on Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:44 am


    Whatever Putin is planning to do, he needs to come up with a solid plan to create a government system in Russia that is immune to Western interference and sabotage. Putin cannot live forever to be around to safeguard Russia's stability. Russia needs to develop its own powerful deep state that will work to serve only Russia's interest and no one else.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:08 am

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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:56 am

    The more you try to create a 'deep state', rob people of the possibility to choose an alternative, and create rigidity - the less responsive the system is to change, the more susceptible it is to corruption, and ultimately; can all come crashing down anyway and far worse than it would if people had an outlet.

    I like that Putin defends Russian interests and everything and isn't some corrupt Western puppet with holiday homes and bank accounts there; like you'd find among the leaders of the Ukraine. That's swell.

    But it's not up to him to decide whether such a policy is suitable forever for Russia. He's not qualified to make such a decision for 150 million people. No-one is.
    If the people decide they'd be better off with a pro-Western Navalny or whatever they have that right. If they decide they want to give socialism another go they have the right too.
    Because what's the alternative? Some unelected intellectual vanguard that decides for the people what their values, thinking, etc... should be? Sounds like the liberal totalitarianism in the EU and US actually.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:41 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    Whatever Putin is planning to do, he needs to come up with a solid plan to create a government system in Russia that is immune to Western interference and sabotage. Putin cannot live forever to be around to safeguard Russia's stability. Russia needs to develop its own powerful deep state that will work to serve only Russia's interest and no one else.

    You snap your fingers and expect Putin to come up with a system nobody created before (that I am aware of). You talk about a Russian
    deep state as if it will be any better than the western deep states. Observational evidence points to the fact that the any Russian
    deep state (aka control of the state by the rich) will integrate itself with NATzO since it will assume that it will make more money
    that way. You can see this behaviour in all the post-commie eastern European elites including Russia during the 1990s.

    The process of Russia coming up with its own stable system is going to take more than just Putin. This project will have to survive
    after he leaves office. Unfortunately, too many "patriotic" Russians are idiots who fetishize monarchies and commissars. They do
    not understand how the economy and the social power hierarchy really work. So the people are their own worst enemy.

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    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:00 pm



    The regime in Vladimir Oblast needs to be shot. They have engaged in criminally negligent payment cuts to critical workers that
    resulted in a 3 fold reduction in ambulance paramedics (after a 15000 ruble per month pay cut). The ambulances are not
    being maintained either so only 15 of them are in working order. Basically a 3rd world toilet has been made through grossly
    incompetent or 5th column criminal management by the rotten governor.

    The above is an example why life sucks for most humans. There are no mechanisms for swift action and justice. I believe
    that citizens should be able to launch popular impeachment action with zero waiting periods. If the governor is not a slime
    who needs to be removed, then he has no fear that he will be impeached. If he is, then tough luck. Even if some
    regime change agitators could organize an impeachment, that does not mean they would win. The impeachment would be
    up for a popular vote. I think that a critical list of signatures needs to be imposed based on a percentage of the total
    population in the given administrative region.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:11 am

    But it's not up to him to decide whether such a policy is suitable forever for Russia. He's not qualified to make such a decision for 150 million people. No-one is.

    But he is not putting in place laws that mean he stays in power for the next 20 years, he is putting in place laws that allow the Russian people decide who they want to lead them... if the people of Russia end up being sick of Putin they can always vote for someone else... he is not making any decision for them, he is giving them the choice.... something a monarchy does not do... imagine the British being given the vote to decide when Liz gives up the role and also who will take over in her place...
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    Post  George1 on Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:28 am

    Turnout at online vote on Russian constitutional amendments surpasses 49.5%

    The online vote began on June 25 and will end on June 30

    MOSCOW, June 26. /TASS/. The turnout at the online vote on the amendments to Russia’s Constitution amounted to 49.51% at 06.30 Moscow time on Friday, Deputy Chairman of Moscow’s Civic Chamber Alexei Venediktov wrote on his Telegram channel.

    "The turnout at the online vote was 49.51% at 06:30. About 2,000 people voted last night (from 00:00 to 06:00)," he wrote.

    The online vote began on Thursday at 10:00 Moscow time. Previously registered voters from the Moscow and the Nizhny Novgorod Region can take part in the vote.

    According to previous reports, about 1 mln people had registered to vote in Moscow and nearly 140,000 had done the same in the Nizhny Novgorod Region. The online vote began on June 25 and will end on June 30.

    The vote on constitutional amendments


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    A public vote is being held on the proposed constitutional amendments. If over 50% of the Russian public approve of the changes, the bill will enter into force.

    The vote was initially set to take place on April 22, however, Putin chose to postpone it due to the situation with the spread of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) in Russia. During a working session earlier, Putin approved July 1, 2020, as the new date for the vote. The vote will be held over a seven-day period ending on July 1 due to epidemiological concerns.

    The document proposes to expand the powers of the Russian parliament and the Russian Constitutional Court, a fixed number of presidential terms, as well as the prevalence of the Russian Constitution over international agreements. The document also expands the government’s obligations in the social sphere. The amendments to the Constitution stipulate that the Russian head of state can only serve two terms, however, one of the amendments proposes that the current president can be re-elected if the new version of the Constitution comes into force.

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