To be honest i don't like to judge Russian AD systems based only on the concept that Russia is safe by operating them.
Well I agree but this thread is specifically about whether Russia is safe from F-22 and B-2 and so we are talking about whether Russia has the AD systems to defend itself from those platforms so that is what I based my post upon.
Russia exports a lot of systems, discussing the effectiveness of these systems that will be operated by other (not broken) countries makes sense more than saying Russia is safe , Russia is safe because of multiple factors (including AD systems )
Again, I agree, but think on this thread the discussion is about whether they keep Russia safe from their primary enemy and its tools.
To discuss whether those same systems exported to other countries I would prefer to create a new thread or use a thread already dedicated either to those export countries or the systems themselves and their use in foreign countries.
Countries like Turkey ,Egypt,Greece, china...etc who are operating Russian AD systems could face threats from stealth enemy aircrafts , here is the discussion that will evaluate the Russian AD systems which my money on it
And the discussion in that case would also need to include the higher chances of an attack by the US on those countries and their lack of other systems and support equipment that Russia enjoy. They of course have other equipment and resources Russia does not enjoy and the different situations effect performance of those exported systems, but this is clearly not the thread to discuss it...
If you have only air defence system to defend yourself you will loose. No matter how good they are.
Especially against a super power that has taken the decision to attack...
Really? I would say that all the F-22s and B-2s will be blown out of the sky before they even reach Russia's border. Only
Washington exceptionalists think they will actually be able to use B-2s like regular bombers over Russian territory. Maybe
if they were going to use them like standoff platforms then they would have some argument. But dumb bomb runs over
Russia like WWII, get f*cking real.
Russia has more than just an air defence system, they have the ability to attack in kind which is ironic because HATO can attack but really cannot defend...
US have more f16/15 and b1 that can launch stand off missiles than f22 and b2.
That need airbases to operate from and are no longer in production and cannot be replaced...
That's right, they do. But one thing proven US jets can't do - take off and land from an unprepared runway.
B1 series is being retired. And are you serious with the F16 and F15 crap? Is America going to park some aircraft
carriers off Russia's Arctic coast and bomb Russia like Serbia in 1999. Must be some fine acid you are on.
The proliferation of the S-400 and Su-35 might result in the F-22 and B-2 not being much use anywhere...
To be clear this thread is about the defence of Russia against the US so comments about exported Russian systems don't make sense and should be directed to threads for specific countries or specific systems where their abilities can be discussed in context regarding the various situations they might find themselves in around the world.