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    Post  Viktor on Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:09 pm

    @medo

    From the same link but this time only in Russian

    55ZH6UME - most likely still work in progress
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    Post  dleturbule on Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:40 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    dleturbule wrote:Hello to all,

    I'm new here and I'm particularely interested in radars.

    Who knows what type of radar is that one (and if possible its name) :

    https://i.servimg.com/u/f58/18/68/40/39/70001512.jpg


    It's near Astrakhan-Tinaki Air base

    Didier

    I don't think what is shown in the picture is really a radar.

    It actually is a directional steerable-beam command transmit/receive station for a ground-to-air data-link system.

    Raduga-SPK-75P is one such system. The transmit/receive stations of the Raduga-SPK-75P system, that I know of, have a lot of similarity to the one in your picture but are more complex. Actually the picture shown in the background of the article Victor posted is the Raduga-SPK-75P transmit/receive station I am referring to. The fact that it shows up in an article about 5N56 Shpaga radar is possibly due to a journalistic error in the article.

    Of course, from a technical point of view, these type of stations would have some intrinsic radar functionality in them, but that functionality is mainly for the purpose of them achieving their communication, command, and control roles.

    Hi Morpheus,


    Do you mean that this station could use its radar functionality for pointing of its beam toward aircraft to whom it would send data ?

    But why 2 back-to-back antennas ?

    And why this reflektor orientation that makes it look like an height finder ?
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:59 am

    dleturbule wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    dleturbule wrote:Hello to all,

    I'm new here and I'm particularely interested in radars.

    Who knows what type of radar is that one (and if possible its name) :

    https://i.servimg.com/u/f58/18/68/40/39/70001512.jpg


    It's near Astrakhan-Tinaki Air base

    Didier

    I don't think what is shown in the picture is really a radar.

    It actually is a directional steerable-beam command transmit/receive station for a ground-to-air data-link system.

    Raduga-SPK-75P is one such system. The transmit/receive stations of the Raduga-SPK-75P system, that I know of, have a lot of similarity to the one in your picture but are more complex. Actually the picture shown in the background of the article Victor posted is the Raduga-SPK-75P transmit/receive station I am referring to. The fact that it shows up in an article about 5N56 Shpaga radar is possibly due to a journalistic error in the article.

    Of course, from a technical point of view, these type of stations would have some intrinsic radar functionality in them, but that functionality is mainly for the purpose of them achieving their communication, command, and control roles.

    Hi Morpheus,


    Do you mean that this station could use its radar functionality for pointing of its beam toward aircraft to whom it would send data ?

    But why 2 back-to-back antennas ?

    And why this reflektor orientation that makes it look like an height finder ?

    Hi dleturbule,

    That’s right. This station uses a directional beam to communicate with friendly aircraft (and control them if required). To facilitate this functionality, it searches, acquires, and tracks the data-link transceiver on the air vehicles it intends to communicate with. It performs all of this in a track-while-scan (TWS) mode. On a time-shared basis, the station “simultaneously” provides communication, command, and control to a large number of air vehicles in the upper spatial hemisphere.

    I should mention that a Russian aircraft like MiG-31 has at least 8 three-dimensional phased-array antennas for its APD-518 directional digital data-link system that primarily performs similar data-link functionality, but in an airborne context. A picture of these antennas is given below. The rectangular patches are the conformal three-dimensional phased array antennas. Three of them are visible in this image.
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    The “main” purpose of using “highly-directional” beams in a data link system is, of course, for communication ECCM purposes, as any serious communication ECCM capability requires highly directional transmit, and more importantly, highly directional receive beams.

    The antennas of the APD-518 use a pencil-beam which is, of course, better from an ECCM point of view.

    I am sure that there are 3D phased-array data-link stations in Russian service, but I haven’t seen any picture of any dedicated such systems yet. At the same time, I am sure that one of the functionalities of Russian radars like the AESA RLM-D radar is to provide pencil-beam, directional data-link (communication, command, and control) to various types of air vehicles.

    The rationale for using back-to-back antennas is to achieve a higher data rate.

    I think the reason for the utilization of a beam geometry similar to that of a height-finder is that a horizontally-oriented fan beam is better suited to the geometry and kinematics of an air vehicle, providing for better power density, longer range, better effective resolution, higher data rate, better low-altitude performance, etc.
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    Post  dleturbule on Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:23 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    dleturbule wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    dleturbule wrote:Hello to all,

    I'm new here and I'm particularely interested in radars.

    Who knows what type of radar is that one (and if possible its name) :

    https://i.servimg.com/u/f58/18/68/40/39/70001512.jpg


    It's near Astrakhan-Tinaki Air base

    Didier

    I don't think what is shown in the picture is really a radar.

    It actually is a directional steerable-beam command transmit/receive station for a ground-to-air data-link system.

    Raduga-SPK-75P is one such system. The transmit/receive stations of the Raduga-SPK-75P system, that I know of, have a lot of similarity to the one in your picture but are more complex. Actually the picture shown in the background of the article Victor posted is the Raduga-SPK-75P transmit/receive station I am referring to. The fact that it shows up in an article about 5N56 Shpaga radar is possibly due to a journalistic error in the article.

    Of course, from a technical point of view, these type of stations would have some intrinsic radar functionality in them, but that functionality is mainly for the purpose of them achieving their communication, command, and control roles.

    Hi Morpheus,


    Do you mean that this station could use its radar functionality for pointing of its beam toward aircraft to whom it would send data ?

    But why 2 back-to-back antennas ?

    And why this reflektor orientation that makes it look like an height finder ?

    Hi dleturbule,

    That’s right. This station uses a directional beam to communicate with friendly aircraft (and control them if required). To facilitate this functionality, it searches, acquires, and tracks the data-link transceiver on the air vehicles it intends to communicate with. It performs all of this in a track-while-scan (TWS) mode. On a time-shared basis, the station “simultaneously” provides communication, command, and control to a large number of air vehicles in the upper spatial hemisphere.

    I should mention that a Russian aircraft like MiG-31 has at least 8 three-dimensional phased-array antennas for its APD-518 directional digital data-link system that primarily performs similar data-link functionality, but in an airborne context. A picture of these antennas is given below. The rectangular patches are the conformal three-dimensional phased array antennas. Three of them are visible in this image.
    Russian Radar systems - Page 8 YiwmdEo

    The “main” purpose of using “highly-directional” beams in a data link system is, of course, for communication ECCM purposes, as any serious communication ECCM capability requires highly directional transmit, and more importantly, highly directional receive beams.

    The antennas of the APD-518 use a pencil-beam which is, of course, better from an ECCM point of view.

    I am sure that there are 3D phased-array data-link stations in Russian service, but I haven’t seen any picture of any dedicated such systems yet. At the same time, I am sure that one of the functionalities of Russian radars like the AESA RLM-D radar is to provide pencil-beam, directional data-link (communication, command, and control) to various types of air vehicles.

    The rationale for using back-to-back antennas is to achieve a higher data rate.

    I think the reason for the utilization of a beam geometry similar to that of a height-finder is that a horizontally-oriented fan beam is better suited to the geometry and kinematics of an air vehicle, providing for better power density, longer range, better effective resolution, higher data rate, better low-altitude performance, etc.

    Hi Morpheus,

    Thanks for your very clear explanations.

    Here are some other links I found :

    http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=4400.0 : Very interesting, several photos and annotations, but only seen once ; next time I tried to read it again, it was unavailable ; perhaps, it requires to sign in but I was unable to create an account, It's in russian
    http://russianarms.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=3036 : Second photo (don’t know where it is)
    http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/230/2309429.html : Probably technical explanations
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:39 pm

    dleturbule wrote:Here are some other links I found :

    http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=4400.0 : Very interesting, several photos and annotations, but only seen once ; next time I tried to read it again, it was unavailable ; perhaps, it requires to sign in but I was unable to create an account, It's in russian
    http://russianarms.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=3036 : Second photo (don’t know where it is)
    http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/230/2309429.html : Probably technical explanations

    Thanks for the links, dleturbule.

    The first one, I couldn't open, but the other two were very interesting.
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    Post  Viktor on Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:35 pm

    Kolchuga radar system in Sochi  Shocked 

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:23 pm

    Ah, the elusive Kolchuga-M?

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    Post  Viktor on Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:35 pm

    Nice  thumbsup 

    - 10 NEBO-M
    - 20 96L6

    Russian Air Force radar troops receive promising complexes "Sky"

    In 2014 part of the Air Force radar troops scheduled delivery to 10 promising radar complexes "Sky-ME", capable of detecting all classes of air targets at ranges and altitudes of more than 1000 kilometers.

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    Post  Viktor on Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:47 pm

    TR1 wrote:Ah, the elusive Kolchuga-M?

    By the side of Kolchuga-M we have Sintez (Automated system for radio monitoring ground, surface and air objects) and in the background we have Luch-MD (Radio monitoring in Microwave)
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    Post  medo on Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:52 pm

    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup 

    - 10 NEBO-M
    - 20 96L6

    Russian Air Force radar troops receive promising complexes "Sky"

    In 2014 part of the Air Force radar troops scheduled delivery to 10 promising radar complexes "Sky-ME", capable of detecting all classes of air targets at ranges and altitudes of more than 1000 kilometers.


    Good news. Placing Nebo-M on strategic positions could well cover large parts of Russian air space.
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    Post  TR1 on Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:24 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Ah, the elusive Kolchuga-M?

    By the side of Kolchuga-M we have Sintez (Automated system for radio monitoring ground, surface and air objects) and in the background we have Luch-MD (Radio monitoring in Microwave)

    Gotcha thanks.
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:39 am

    Its not radar system but it partners to it. Basically this thing called Volinets is used to create 3D maps of terain, electronics maps and all that is needed in orded to plan defenses

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    06/02/2014 ( 16:57) Soldiers learn new mobile TSB digital topographic system " Volinets » Military surveyors associations combined arms Eastern Military District (OIE ) , based in the Primorye Territory , were armed with a new mobile digital topographic system PTSTS " Volynets ' in which used digital technology transfer, processing and storage of information . Thanks to modern technology , the process of making special maps and documentary photographs areas decreased several times. Thing of the past use of chemical solutions in the photofinishing process for the production of maps. With the new PTSTS " Volinets " soldiers can not only receive images of terrain in electronic form , but also to create digital three-dimensional models of individual sections in 3D. Opportunities complex can effectively solve the problem as geodetic in permanent dislocation, and in the field. Complex installed on multiple machines URAL high cross . first practical tests of complex maneuvers to be held in March Press servi ba Eastern Military District
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:18 am

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    Post  Viktor on Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:07 pm

    Two 1L122-1 radar systems in front of Pancir-S1 at Sochi


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    Post  collegeboy16 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:13 pm

    those are the decoy poppers right?
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:41 pm

    collegeboy16 wrote:those are the decoy poppers right?

    Of course not  Very Happy 

    http://www.nniirt.ru/sites/default/files/docs/prod/1l122-1e.pdf
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    Post  medo on Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:37 pm

    Viktor wrote:Two 1L122-1 radar systems in front of Pancir-S1 at Sochi


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    it is quite understandable to use those small radars so near biatlon stadium. Pantsir's search radar emit with too high power, so in time of trainings and races it must not emit, so in that time they use small portable radar, which is far less powerfull and with that less hazard for athletes and public.
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    Post  Viktor on Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:56 am

    medo wrote:it is quite understandable to use those small radars so near biatlon stadium. Pantsir's search radar emit with too high power, so in time of trainings and races it must not emit, so in that time they use small portable radar, which is far less powerfull and with that less hazard for athletes and public.

    Well thats is the job of Russian radio troops. In general during peace time, SAMs are in standby mode but turned off. Russian radio troops with hundereds of all kind of radars are forming

    picture of of entire Russian aerospace from the furthest coners of the country to the highest altitudes. In case any radar detects a threat command posts will automatically

    alert aproppriate SAM system (crew) turn on the SAM and perform calculations.
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:43 pm

    Four new big ones  thumbsup 

    Commander: Russian troops began to create ASD four new radar
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:32 am

    With such investment in Russian radars could we potentially see mass production of cheaper AESA radars?

    KRET to double its income

    The concern has embraced a program of action for 2014-2016

    KRET has embraced a program of action for 2014-2016. The concern plans to increase sales proceeds up to 146 billion in two years and to move on from the production of separate components to the supply of integrated electronic complexes for  military and civil purposes.

    The 2020 development strategy was embraced by the KRET last year. The concern has set an ambitious goal – to become the leader in the Russian and CIS market of airborne electronic avionics.

    “The three-year action program is a sort of a «road map», which makes more specific the tasks and describes the actions of all divisions and services of the concern. Its realization is to allow us to increase the sale proceeds in 2016 by almost two times compared to 2013 and ensure the growth of KRET’s profitability from 6.3 to 11.7 billion rubles during the same time period”, said Nikolay Kolesov, CEO of the KRET.

    One of the key KRET’s development areas is to become a transfer from supplying of separate components and systems to sales of the integrated airborne avionics complexes (AA). According to the concern’s plans a share of the complex decisions up to 2016 must exceed 30% of all AA supplies.

    KRET plans to continue its cooperations with the leading Russian civil and military aerotechnics manufacturers - United Aircraft and Russian Helicopters. In August 2013, at the International Aviation and Space Show in Zhukovski, the concern has signed new agreements for partnerships with these companies. According to these agreements, KRET has taken responsibility for the whole life cycle of the available United Aircraft equipment, starting from the development of the visual and up to the post-sales service of the end products. Furthermore, KRET is conducting a development of new AA prototypes for the perspective helicopters in terms of agreement with Russian Helicopters.

    As a result of the program’s implementation, the sale proceeds of KRET are to grow from 99.7 to 146 billion rubles with a net income of 11.7 billion rubles for the same period.

    The  Radioelectronic Technologies group (KRET), a largest Russian holding of the radioelectronic sector, was founded in 2009. It specializes in production of the radioelectronic warfare and complexes, struggle, aircraft equipment for the air vessels, and metering instruments. The group’s enterprises produce also household and medical equipment, control systems and equipment for the FEC, transportation, and machine industry. KRET is a division of the Rostec  state corporations.

    http://rostec.ru/en/news/4442

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    Post  Viktor on Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:35 pm

    Nice  thumbsup 

    Pechora radar "DTV" will be deep modernization
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    Post  Austin on Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:35 pm

    http://www.redstar.ru/index.php/2011-07-25-15-55-32/item/15177-observatoriya-v-pechore

    - Today in the field of view of the radar "DTV" fall trajectory of ballistic missiles, NATO, located on the northern and western missile-threat directions. Under our control are in Canada, most of the U.S., Western Europe. Her locators able to catch any space object at a distance of 7000 kilometers. Whether it's satellite or space debris. And if it is a ballistic missile intercept it in seconds. At night after our review zone extends about 30,000 objects - says deputy chief of staff for command and control, alert forces commander Major Alexei TARABRIN. - That is, the characteristics of the radar "DTV" competes with the station of the XXI century "Voronezh", created 40 years ago. 

    And yet there have Pechora 'observatory' clear competitive advantage provided not only tactical and technical characteristics, but also the geographical location: ballistic targets are detected at longer range than other radars. This means that the leadership of our country gets more time to make a decision about a retaliatory strike. 

    The station has a large and modernization opportunities, which allows no abnormality alerting improve its basic performance characteristics. 2016 program re-planned modernization of almost all plant systems that enhance the reliability, performance characteristics and significantly reduce power consumption
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    Post  Viktor on Sun May 04, 2014 3:47 pm

    Russian VKO troops has recived 5 96L6 radar systems since the begining of 2014

    Troops in the aerospace defense of the Russian Federation received five new air defense radar
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    Post  SOC on Tue May 06, 2014 4:30 am

    Viktor wrote:Russian VKO troops has recived 5 96L6 radar systems since the begining of 2014

    Troops in the aerospace defense of the Russian Federation received five new air defense radar

    Yup, these appear to be the 36D6/ST-68 TIN SHIELD series replacement.
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    Post  nemrod on Mon May 19, 2014 5:01 pm

    This state of the art radar is a russian VHF radar. AESA/3D capacity ?
    Is it better than  S-band ? Or is it a complement ?


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