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    Post  starman Tue May 04, 2021 12:15 pm

    It's highly naive to think full disclosure is imminent. There have been similar claims for 50 years.
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    Post  nomadski Thu May 06, 2021 11:10 am



    Tell me why this is photoshop..?

    https://sputniknews.com/uk/202105061082814383-rendlesham-forest-ufo-incident-eyewitness-unveils-first-photos-of-basketball-sized-red-orb/


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    Post  starman Thu May 06, 2021 11:52 am

    I don't believe the "poacher." No need to wait so long; if someone asked what he was doing there, he could've just said he enjoyed taking walks in the forest.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun May 16, 2021 7:10 pm



    UFOs on Mars?
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    Post  kvs Sun May 16, 2021 8:40 pm



    Back to the 1950s. UFOs are a way to stoke fear and herd the sheeple.

    Why is it that in 2021 the video so ridiculously grainy? Don't tell me about IR filming. It can be as high resolution as visible band
    films. And the video is clearly not IR since the ocean would be much brighter than the atmosphere. The "UFO" would also be
    much brighter. So this is conventional black and white film of something unless some idiot decided to reverse the video palette
    which is simply pointless.

    The idea that this thing is out of this world is moronic. It is a drone gimmick with the magical feature of being able to enter the
    water and having a relatively spherical shape. Well, whoop-dee-do. A drone can have different ducts with water-tight propellers.
    For example a large central duct (in which case it is not a sphere but a fat torus) with one large fan and several smaller ones parallel
    to it with smaller propellers for use under water. It can also use ballasting tricks like submarines to reduce buoyancy and operate
    under water. It can also use liquid ballast to orient itself in the air.

    Seems like plausible "sci-fi" research project for the MIC. We don't have hypersonic missile systems, but we have wunderwaffen
    that those mut hut dwellers can't touch. So the sheeple are both scared and at the same time have their egos stroked with
    the possibility that the US has alien class technology.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun May 16, 2021 9:14 pm

    These alleged secret UAV tests r safer to conduct away from USN planes & ships that can spot/interfere with them; if the goal was to train with/against them, then they r no longer that secret, & should've been revealed officially.

    https://nypost.com/2021/04/30/pentagon-whistleblower-warns-of-ufo-intelligence-failure-on-par-with-9-11/

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/2793810/ufo-america-spy-failure-9-11-pentagon/

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/2731522/most-compelling-ufo-vid-puerto-rico/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14636909/ufo-us-navy-hypersonic-china-russia/

    I doubt it- if they wanted to buzz USN ships, a lot easier & cheaper to do it in the water around Eurasia before deploying drones across the oceans.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14038945/pentagon-admits-testing-wreckage-ufo-crashes/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14572895/skinwalker-ranch-ufo-pentagon-cows-mutilated/

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    Post  starman Mon May 17, 2021 12:00 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Back to the 1950s.   UFOs are a way to stoke fear and herd the sheeple.

    The official position, then and now, is that UFOs are not ET. They appeared over DC in '52 but that wasn't something the government had any control over, and it dismissed the sightings.

    The idea that this thing is out of this world is moronic.   It is a drone gimmick with the magical feature of being able to enter the
    water and having a relatively spherical shape.   Well, whoop-dee-do.     A drone can have different ducts with water-tight propellers.

    So they've had such drones since Shag Harbor?
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    Post  starman Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:42 am

    With the exception of The Alien Grand Design just about everything you read or see in the UFO field is rehash, disinfo or both.
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    Post  nomadski Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:20 am

    I saw on TV , a programme about there being discovered that about ten billion Rogue planets exist in our Milky way Galaxy alone ! A Rogue planets is a planet that has escaped the gravitational pull of it's Sun . Mostly these Rogue planets exist in binary star systems , that are chaotic orbits , that lead to escaped planets . These planets even if inhabited , then turn very cold  and are left without their Suns . Temperatures of -220 C .

    So any intelligent life on these escaped planets , has to retreat underground to save energy , and rely on advanced reactors to provide all heat and light . Wandering for millions of years in the Cosmos alone . These creatures then loose pigmentation in their skin , without Sunlight . And develop night vision and large eyes to see in the dark . They may also suffer from genetic and reproductive diseases .

    We end up with the large eyes Grey aliens visiting Earth ! Inhabiting underground bases like the Ant people of central American Indian lore ! Or more recent reported underground or under-Sea bases . Photo-sensitivity being a problem . And their desire to produce a hybrid with humans , makes sense , if they want to inhabit a Sun lit world , like Earth . Rogue planets ! Not dim worlds , far away from their Sun ?

    The Betty and Barney Hill abduction story , involved aliens from a binary star system . And the Sumerian Anunaki , according to Sitchin , are from a wandering Rogue planet , passing through the solar system ?!


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dpmy0pijbNk

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    Post  nomadski Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:13 am



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BEWz4SXfyCQ


    Still the Americans could not build a ufo . So we better not even try ! Since we do not have one to copy !!

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    Post  nomadski Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:50 pm

    https://gadgets.ndtv.com/science/news/james-webb-space-telescope-fuel-launch-date-december-22-nasa-esa-2640296


    This telescope is so sensitive , that I heard it could detect the heat from a camp fire , on a distant planet ! Or distinguish Industrial pollution on distant planet ! Finally , I may get to know if intelligent aliens exist in our universe , in my life time ! Before I die .

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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:45 pm

    nomadski wrote:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BEWz4SXfyCQ


    Still the Americans could not build a ufo . So we better not even try ! Since we do not have one to copy !!


    The US lacks the most important thing: new physics. It is also saddled with BS existing "physics" such as special relativity (SR)
    and GR. You will never advance if your science is based a foundation of shit. In this case the shit is subjectivism. SR is
    epic subjectivist rubbish. It claims to obtain insight that already existed in 1857 when Maxwell's EM equations were formulated.
    The Lorentz coordinate invariance is a property of the EM equations. Since basically all of the reality (physics) that we can experience
    is governed by EM (or its quantum extension) it follows that instead of Galilean relativity we have Lorentzian relativity. But the
    term "relativity" is trash. There is only "absulativity". The Lorentz equations do not dictate a relativist interpretation, they
    are fully coherent with an absolute interpretation. This was recognized by Poincare (and others). But thanks to the moronic
    ether vs. relativist "debate" in the late 1800s and early 1900s we have been saddled with a steaming pile of nonsense. The lack
    of some fluid ether has no relevance to the physics as quantified by the EM equations.

    SR has logical contradictions which are fobbed off as "paradoxes". This is not science, this is politics. The Poincare interpretation
    has no logical contradictions and no subjectivist reality where every moving observer can pretend that they are not moving. This
    magical ability is only possible in Galilean relativity where the speed of light is effectively infinite. Two moving observers cannot
    claim that they are both stationary and misapply the Lorentz transform as if they are at rest. A third observer can clearly see
    that neither of them is stationary. The only rational application of the Lorentz transform is to account for the movement relative
    to absolute rest, the frame where the photons reside. In fact, GR is not even an SR type theory even though every clown "expert"
    claims that they are the same because GR is "locally SR". GR specifies a global space-time manifold. Such an entity cannot exist
    in SR. Photons are not detached from the space-time fabric so multiple observers are constrained by coherence. Every observer
    cannot claim that the photon is flying just for him. This includes the infamous flashlight on a train "gedanken experiment" (an
    oxymoron if there ever was one). Time dilation and length contraction are trivial outcomes of accounting for the absolute speed
    of photons relative to an absolute stationary space-time (stationary for conceptual purposes, if the space-time is changing itself,
    then this does not change the argument). As you accelerate towards the speed of light, your EM processes have to deform since
    the photons are not going to move faster just to keep your perspective the way you want it. At the speed of light no EM process
    can proceed in your frame since you and and everything else in that frame is essentially a collection of photons in flight. This
    gives us the time dilation and also the length contraction since any EM field extension along the axis of travel would require faster
    than the speed of light virtual photon travel in the forward direction, and symmetry requires the collapse in the backward direction
    as well.

    An EM wave can travel at the speed of light, but it cannot emit another wave traveling at the speed of light which then will move
    at some resultant speed. Since mass is energy which is EM (example of a positron and electron combining to produce a gamma
    photon), there is no mass that can travel at the speed of light. The idea that things get more massive as they approach the
    speed of light is ridiculous. It is the inertia that is increasing and also the kinetic energy addition goes to zero at the speed of
    light. It is impossible to keep accelerating when v=c. There are no black holes forming from acceleration.

    I will leave ranting about GR for another time and have done this already in the Physics General subjects thread.

    A deeper understanding of the quantum mechanical nature of reality is essential for progress in terms of new physics. Advanced
    propulsion will most likely be based on quantum effects. What is the volume of space-time. Is it real or is it a type of illusion.
    Just like time flow has been seen in static quantum systems. If the absurdly huge distances we have in our universe are an
    effect, then we do not need to fly faster than the speed of light to get from galaxy to galaxy. I find it peculiar how The Hitchiker's
    Guide to the Galaxy may have gotten the concept right while trying to be funny. Travel via what amounts to wave function
    dispersion and collapse is probably closer to reality than FTL, hyperspace and absurd warping of space-time fiction. The
    latter requires energies on scales that no civilization will ever be able to handle.

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    Post  starman Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:09 pm

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    So any intelligent life on these escaped planets , has to retreat underground to save energy , and rely on advanced reactors to provide all heat and light .

    Na, they either do something to stay in orbit or migrate to another world.

    These creatures then loose pigmentation in their skin , without Sunlight . And develop night vision and large eyes to see in the dark ….
    We end up with the large eyes Grey aliens visiting Earth ! Inhabiting underground bases like the Ant people of central American Indian lore ! Or more recent reported underground or under-Sea bases . Photo-sensitivity being a problem . And their desire to produce a hybrid with humans , makes sense , if they want to inhabit a Sun lit world , like Earth….

    Laughing I've long been a believer but abandoned this kind of speculation decades ago. The appearance of reported aliens is almost certainly not a result of natural evolution but engineering, just to slowly condition humanity. Most aliens may not even be biological entities.

    The Betty and Barney Hill abduction story , involved aliens from a binary star system . And the Sumerian Anunaki , according to Sitchin , are from a wandering Rogue planet , passing through the solar system ?!

    I don't buy "the annunaki." The zeta reticulum system may be binary but aliens aren't renowned for veracity and nobody said the ETs involved were from a rogue planet.

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    Post  nomadski Sun Dec 12, 2021 10:29 pm

    "......Na, they either do something to stay in orbit or migrate to another world......."  Unless they choose to wander among the stars ! Like intergalactic pirates . Using Rogue planets as spaceships . As they approach an inhabited stable planet , they mine it's resources !

    "...The appearance of reported aliens is almost certainly not a result of natural evolution but engineering, just to slowly condition humanity. Most aliens may not even be biological entities....." If we are to accept the ET hypothesis . Then evolved or engineered, their physical attributes , give us a clue as to their habitat .

    ".....nobody said the ETs involved were from a rogue planet......"  So you think I am a nobody ? LOL . Think about it , a wandering frozen Rogue planet , a perfect spaceship , travelling quite fast ( escape velocity from Sun's orbit ) with no IR or visible light emissions ! Perfect pirate ship !
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    Post  starman Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:36 pm

    nomadski wrote: Unless they choose to wander among the stars ! Like intergalactic pirates . Using Rogue planets as spaceships . As they approach an inhabited stable planet , they mine it's resources !

    Smile Just wandering around is an extremely inefficient way to find/exploit a habitable planet.

    If we are to accept the ET hypothesis . Then evolved or engineered, their physical attributes , give us a clue as to their habitat .

    I have doubts. Surviving in space requires a much different type of entity than one adapted to a planetary surface. And many of the reported entities are so primitive looking it's hard to believe they could've really become intelligent.

     So you think I am a nobody ? LOL . Think about it , a wandering frozen Rogue planet , a perfect spaceship , travelling quite fast ( escape velocity from Sun's orbit ) with no IR or visible light emissions ! Perfect pirate ship !

    Laughing An underground existence--if possible at all over a long period--wouldn't be ideal for developing the necessary spaceflight for exploiting another world--in the extremely unlikely event a suitable world is encountered.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Dec 17, 2021 5:17 am

    IMO, only the planets that very far from their stars & therfore devoid of intellligent life would be ejected.

    https://youtu.be/63VA_549f4I

    https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-12-02/new-pentagon-office-criticized-as-effort-to-control-ufo-investigations-end-transparency

    https://www.sciencealert.com/hidden-water-has-been-found-in-the-soil-of-mars-grand-canyon

    Mars rover Perseverance discovered organic matter on Mars
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    Post  starman Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:30 pm

    Subsurface water has already been detected in several areas of Mars, even in polar craters of mercury and the moon.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:16 am

    But not in such volume.
    Sergey SHPAKOVSKY (Canada) - researcher of contacts and related topics, as well as human extrasensory abilities, the ufologist presented in a unique report at the international conference UNKNOWN.2021 the state of affairs in the study of the UFO phenomenon by the modern world: "The planned disclosure is in full swing". After the report C Shpakovsky answered the questions of the conference host, where he explained his vision of the stages and disclosure of information.
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    Post  starman Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:59 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    "The planned disclosure is in full swing".

    Laughing Yeah right….For many years there have been repeated claims of imminent disclosure and nothing happened….For the most realistic view of the circumstrances required for disclosure to occur, and why it can't occur now, see The Alien Grand Design.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:41 pm

    At least they no longer try to debunk everything, as before with the Blue Book & Grudge Projects- that in itself speaks louder than words & a cause for celebration!
    Eventually the truth will come out & they'll have to officially acknowledge it.
    Hopefully, it won't take as long as it took the Papacy to rehabilitate Galileo & Copernicus.
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    Post  starman Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:11 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:At least they no longer try to debunk everything, as before with the Blue Book & Grudge Projects- that in itself speaks louder than words & a cause for celebration!

    Actually for many years the government has encouraged belief, albeit in very subtle ways. It's part of a long running conditioning program.

    Eventually the truth will come out & they'll have to officially acknowledge it.

    The aforementioned tome maintains a change in government is essential for disclosure. Only new sort of regime, in other words, can benefit from it and do it.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:22 pm

    The aforementioned tome maintains a change in government is essential for disclosure. Only new sort of regime, in other words, can benefit from it and do it.
    perhaps the future President Harris will lead such a regime.
    Asians & Africans never denied a possibility that UFOs r controlled by ETs nor suppressed any evidence.

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    Post  starman Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:07 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    perhaps the future President Harris will lead such a regime.

    I meant a new system of government not a new administration.

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