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    UFOs & Extraterrestrial Life

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    Post  nomadski Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:29 pm

    "......Na, they either do something to stay in orbit or migrate to another world......."  Unless they choose to wander among the stars ! Like intergalactic pirates . Using Rogue planets as spaceships . As they approach an inhabited stable planet , they mine it's resources !

    "...The appearance of reported aliens is almost certainly not a result of natural evolution but engineering, just to slowly condition humanity. Most aliens may not even be biological entities....." If we are to accept the ET hypothesis . Then evolved or engineered, their physical attributes , give us a clue as to their habitat .

    ".....nobody said the ETs involved were from a rogue planet......"  So you think I am a nobody ? LOL . Think about it , a wandering frozen Rogue planet , a perfect spaceship , travelling quite fast ( escape velocity from Sun's orbit ) with no IR or visible light emissions ! Perfect pirate ship !
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    Post  starman Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:36 am

    nomadski wrote: Unless they choose to wander among the stars ! Like intergalactic pirates . Using Rogue planets as spaceships . As they approach an inhabited stable planet , they mine it's resources !

    Smile Just wandering around is an extremely inefficient way to find/exploit a habitable planet.

    If we are to accept the ET hypothesis . Then evolved or engineered, their physical attributes , give us a clue as to their habitat .

    I have doubts. Surviving in space requires a much different type of entity than one adapted to a planetary surface. And many of the reported entities are so primitive looking it's hard to believe they could've really become intelligent.

     So you think I am a nobody ? LOL . Think about it , a wandering frozen Rogue planet , a perfect spaceship , travelling quite fast ( escape velocity from Sun's orbit ) with no IR or visible light emissions ! Perfect pirate ship !

    Laughing An underground existence--if possible at all over a long period--wouldn't be ideal for developing the necessary spaceflight for exploiting another world--in the extremely unlikely event a suitable world is encountered.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:17 am

    IMO, only the planets that very far from their stars & therfore devoid of intellligent life would be ejected.

    https://youtu.be/63VA_549f4I

    https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-12-02/new-pentagon-office-criticized-as-effort-to-control-ufo-investigations-end-transparency

    https://www.sciencealert.com/hidden-water-has-been-found-in-the-soil-of-mars-grand-canyon

    Mars rover Perseverance discovered organic matter on Mars
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    Post  starman Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:30 am

    Subsurface water has already been detected in several areas of Mars, even in polar craters of mercury and the moon.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:16 pm

    But not in such volume.
    Sergey SHPAKOVSKY (Canada) - researcher of contacts and related topics, as well as human extrasensory abilities, the ufologist presented in a unique report at the international conference UNKNOWN.2021 the state of affairs in the study of the UFO phenomenon by the modern world: "The planned disclosure is in full swing". After the report C Shpakovsky answered the questions of the conference host, where he explained his vision of the stages and disclosure of information.
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    Post  starman Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:59 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    "The planned disclosure is in full swing".

    Laughing Yeah right….For many years there have been repeated claims of imminent disclosure and nothing happened….For the most realistic view of the circumstrances required for disclosure to occur, and why it can't occur now, see The Alien Grand Design.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Dec 22, 2021 3:41 pm

    At least they no longer try to debunk everything, as before with the Blue Book & Grudge Projects- that in itself speaks louder than words & a cause for celebration!
    Eventually the truth will come out & they'll have to officially acknowledge it.
    Hopefully, it won't take as long as it took the Papacy to rehabilitate Galileo & Copernicus.
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    Post  starman Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:11 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:At least they no longer try to debunk everything, as before with the Blue Book & Grudge Projects- that in itself speaks louder than words & a cause for celebration!

    Actually for many years the government has encouraged belief, albeit in very subtle ways. It's part of a long running conditioning program.

    Eventually the truth will come out & they'll have to officially acknowledge it.

    The aforementioned tome maintains a change in government is essential for disclosure. Only new sort of regime, in other words, can benefit from it and do it.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:22 pm

    The aforementioned tome maintains a change in government is essential for disclosure. Only new sort of regime, in other words, can benefit from it and do it.
    perhaps the future President Harris will lead such a regime.
    Asians & Africans never denied a possibility that UFOs r controlled by ETs nor suppressed any evidence.

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    Post  starman Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:07 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    perhaps the future President Harris will lead such a regime.

    I meant a new system of government not a new administration.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Dec 24, 2021 3:29 pm

    When we have bases on Moon & Mars, the system of gov will change to manage them. Then the ETs will make their presence known there even more, for all to see.
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    Post  starman Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:52 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:When we have bases on Moon & Mars, the system of gov will change to manage them.

    Smile We won't have bases on the moon or Mars until after the democratic system ends. Generally the electorate doesn't want its tax money spent on costly ventures in space. It wants money spent on social programs of direct and immediate benefit.

    Then the ETs will make their presence known there even more, for all to see.

    As The Alien Grand Design predicts, they won't appear openly nor be disclosed until there's an ideological volte face, around 2050-2100.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Dec 25, 2021 3:15 pm

    Russia & China will go to the Moon soon, & the US, EU, India & Japan will have no choice but to do the same. Recall that the USSR failed in landing men there, but still sent the Lunokhod rover for sample returns.
    Besides, commercial exploration & exploitation will not be stopped by the US Gov. & will need to be regulated.
    The Mars manned missions will follow the Lunar "lessons learned" there.
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    Post  starman Sun Dec 26, 2021 7:20 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Russia & China will go to the Moon soon, & the US, EU, India & Japan will have no choice but to do the same.

    I don't know if Russia has the resources to establish a base or even land cosmonauts on the moon. The Chinese may do the latter but dunno about a permanent base. That would be really costly, though an authoritarian system would have the advantage in such an endeavor.


    Recall that the USSR failed in landing men there, but still sent the Lunokhod rover for sample returns.

    The USSR never attempted to land men on the moon. Compared to Lunokhod it was too costly, or too risky owing to inferior technology. But while the US had enough wealth its democratic government ensured there was no sustained program. Same issue prevails of course.



    The Mars manned missions will follow the Lunar "lessons learned" there.

    I'm skeptical such a costly effort will be politically possible for the US.
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    Post  lancelot Sun Dec 26, 2021 4:30 pm

    starman wrote:The USSR never attempted to land men on the moon. Compared to Lunokhod it was too costly, or too risky owing to inferior technology. But while the US had enough wealth its democratic government ensured there was no sustained program. Same issue prevails of course.

    I guess you never heard of the N-1 rocket.

    The Soviet lunar program was only funded way too late. There were at least three different lunar launcher proposals (Korolev, Chelomei, Yangel) all competing for limited resources. Eventually Korolev's proposal was accepted but the leading rocket engine designer in the USSR, Glushko, proved unable/unwilling to design the rocket engines Korolev had in his original N-1 launcher design. Korolev eventually went to Kuznetsov to design the engines. Kuznetsov had no experience designing rocket engines before that. Then Korolev died in the middle of the N-1 project and his replacement, Mishin, proved quite incapable. Then the state provided no funding to make a test stand for the first stage. This meant they had to test the rocket in actual flight. During one of the launch tests, the rocket exploded just after takeoff, and blew up all over the launch pad causing even more delays. They never got the launcher to work properly and it eventually was cancelled after the US already had went to the Moon.

    Compare this with the US which started the super heavy launcher effort much earlier, had prior experience with LOX/LH2 engines because of the Suntan project, did not have their designer die in the middle of the project, and only had a single rocket effort where all the funding was poured into. Glushko much later eventually designed what became the Energia rocket in the late 1970s and it basically had the engine technology Korolev wanted in the lunar rocket.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:00 am

    I don't know if Russia has the resources to establish a base or even land cosmonauts on the moon.

    If their nuclear powered tug works then a good test would be taking material to the Moon... they could test things like constructing bases on another body without having to worry about earth being too far away to provide any help if something goes wrong... they might be able to launch a self contained module for human survivors to sit in and wait for help to be sent on the moon if contingencies for sending help are put in place they might only need to wait a week or two... but such a thing would not be practical on Mars for instance.

    The USSR never attempted to land men on the moon. Compared to Lunokhod it was too costly, or too risky owing to inferior technology. But while the US had enough wealth its democratic government ensured there was no sustained program. Same issue prevails of course.

    Interesting you think that... the Soviet Rockets were better and their space suits were far superior too... exactly what technology was inferior at the time?

    If the US had delayed their launch a month or two it might have been Cosmonauts on the moon first.... it really was that close.

    Of course it is a risky business so it could just as easily have been Cosmonauts dead too.... sending people to the moon was more about getting some ego and bragging rights back after failing to win the real space race of getting a satellite in to earth orbit and the first man in orbit... etc etc.

    I'm skeptical such a costly effort will be politically possible for the US.

    As long as they can continue to print new money with no consequences for themselves they can afford anything they please... but that is not going to last forever and the more they abuse it with spending it on BS the sooner the day will come when their money is worth nothing.

    Compare this with the US which started the super heavy launcher effort much earlier, had prior experience with LOX/LH2 engines because of the Suntan project, did not have their designer die in the middle of the project, and only had a single rocket effort where all the funding was poured into. Glushko much later eventually designed what became the Energia rocket in the late 1970s and it basically had the engine technology Korolev wanted in the lunar rocket.

    Don't forget the Saturn V was a Nazi rocket designed by German Nazis, who went from designing super weapons for Hitler to kill allied soldiers and take over the world, to designing a Moon rocket so the US could claim superiority and ownership of the world...
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    Post  lancelot Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:30 am

    GarryB wrote:Interesting you think that... the Soviet Rockets were better and their space suits were far superior too... exactly what technology was inferior at the time?

    If the US had delayed their launch a month or two it might have been Cosmonauts on the moon first.... it really was that close.

    Of course it is a risky business so it could just as easily have been Cosmonauts dead too.... sending people to the moon was more about getting some ego and bragging rights back after failing to win the real space race of getting a satellite in to earth orbit and the first man in orbit... etc etc.

    There was just no way the Soviets could have landed a crew on the Moon first given what happened. I think the most viable mission they could have made was a manned lunar fly-by mission. Not a landing. It is just barely possible to do a lunar fly-by with a Proton rocket (which was available) and a trimmed down Soyuz capsule. There was even a proposed project to do it. But Proton was still unreliable back then and putting a manned crew on one was risky to say the least. After what happened with the Soyuz-1 capsule there was little chance they would risk something like that.

    Like you said the space suits weren't a problem and were more advanced than what the US had at the time.

    The US had a head start on LOX/LH2 technology and they started the whole effort much sooner. You could say the Soviet Union only had a rocket comparable in performance to the Saturn V when Energia came out. Energia had much more modern propulsion technology though, more modern than the Shuttle's even. So there is like a generational gap. The Soviets spent most of their resources on the hypergolic rockets because those had military applications. Proton was initially planned to be a nuclear lobbing missile. R-36 is also a nuclear carrier missile.

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    Post  starman Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:53 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    [i]The United States is working on its own ambitious moon push with NASA's Artemis program. If all goes according to plan, Artemis will send astronauts to the lunar surface in the mid-2020s and establish a long-term, sustainable human presence on and around the moon by the end of the decade. NASA hopes that such work will help it get astronauts to Mars in the 2030s, agency officials have said.

    I'm skeptical the US will pull it off, even with foreign help, but we'll see.


    Btw, Chinese and Brazilians were more open about the UFOs


    South American countries including Brazil have had their share of interesting cases, and then some.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:19 pm



    https://youtu.be/a7Za2sNDjuM
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    Post  starman Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:58 am

    I'd be more impressed if the discovery was long before 1944, or before the late 19th century when Triceratops and other dinosaurs were discovered and named.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue May 17, 2022 10:15 pm

    Flying saucers. Unexplained lights. Hovering objects. UFO sightings have puzzled government officials and witnesses for decades as many seek to answer the question: Are we alone? Well, we may get some answers to that burning question today. A House panel this morning is set to hold an open congressional hearing on UFOs for the first time in more than 50 years.

    Sounds like they r going to continue using secrecy to avoid "rocking the boat".

    Pentagon getting more UFO reports now that 'stigma has been reduced'


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    Post  starman Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:10 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:[i] UFO sightings have puzzled government officials and witnesses for decades...

    Witnesses yes, government officials no...

    Well, we may get some answers to that burning question today.

    Fat chance...

    Sounds like they r going to continue using secrecy to avoid "rocking the boat".

    Secrecy and misinfo.

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