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    UFOs & Extraterrestrial Life

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:35 am

    The CIA UFO Papers: 50 Years of Government Secrets and Cover-Ups (MUFON) Paperback
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:30 pm

    Bingo! https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/01/proxima-centauri-blc1/617635/
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    Post  George1 Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:16 am

    UFOs: The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Collection

    https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/ufos-the-central-intelligence-agency-cia-collection/
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    Post  starman Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:05 am

    SETI represents a failure of imagination. Civilization here is relatively brand new, and SETI assumes ETs, some from worlds perhaps millions of years older, communicate the way we do. It's foolish that SETI is respected while UFOlogy is marginalized. As for the "black vault," from what I've seen, it's just the usual disinfo.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:47 am

    More food for thought: https://www.universetoday.com/149638/according-to-the-math-its-highly-unlikely-that-an-intelligent-civilization-is-located-at-alpha-centauri/
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    Post  starman Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:15 am

    USOs have long been known; Shag Harbor was one indication. The post Soviet government did not disclose proof of aliens. In fact in the post Soviet period, more disinformation than ever emanated from Russia. Btw I don't believe ETs built the great pyramid….
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:08 pm

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    Post  starman Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:54 am

    UFO reports tend to be like the WOW signal and other evidence mentioned: interesting but not conclusive. Brief appearances, usually leaving little evidence other than testimony, suffice for slow acclimation. It's absurd, though, to think ET can't or won't make his existence clear, if or when he wants. The Alien Grand Design mentions a long running but very covert ET-government liaison.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:16 pm

    Pratsivilizatsii and mysteries of anomalous zones of the planet, the non-human civilizations that have left traces in the world, the history of the UFO phenomenon and its study - why for many decades this knowledge remain closed, protected by elites and special services? How can they affect humanity and are we ready for them? Dmitry Peretolchin talks about this and many other things in the first issue of the Anomalous Chronicles series.
    Click on CC & use the translating tool: Abnormal Phenomena and the Great Lies of the Elites.
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    Post  starman Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:57 am

    Unfortunately, those who claim to reveal secrets are themselves government agents, whose mission it is to help maintain secrets by spreading disinfo or lies.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:11 pm

    US Navy’s UFO-like patent raises questions
    So-called High Energy Electromagnetic Field Generator could have far reaching military and commercial implications

    Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth


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    Post  starman Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:22 am

    Loeb's book should've gotten just 1 star reviews. Aside from the dubious claim that Oumuamua is from an ET civilization, the author wastes time on extraneous matters like this childhood.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:45 pm

    Imaging low-mass planets within the habitable zone of α Centauri:
    https://ria.ru/20210210/ekzoplanety-1596850023.html

    Hunt For Ninth Planet Reveals New Extremely Distant Solar System Objects

    Possible Super-Earth in the Habitable Zone at Alpha Centauri

    The worst future war.



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    Post  starman Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:14 am

    The sitchin fans may consider the ninth planet confirmation of "niburu." Laughing
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:10 am

    The classified remains of an ancient civilization. Who were the powerful Anunnaki Where is Nibiru

    Pentagon admits it has been testing wreckage from UFO crashes & findings may ‘change our lives forever,’ expert says
    https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0YcJZXum?s=a4&pd=03rmLXKc


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    Post  starman Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:05 am

    Bragalia is just one of many disinfo agents. What he received was just the latest misinformation, deliberately leaked. This has been going on for many years. See e.g. the "documentation" in Good's c 1988 Above Top Secret.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:37 am

    Planet Nine Might Be a Giant Illusion, Scientists Say, And Here's Why
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    Post  starman Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:54 am

    Planet nine, real or otherwise, is almost certainly irrelevant to the issue of UFOs. Nothing can live so far from sol, except with internal planetary heat. It would hardly be advanced let alone spacefaring.
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    Post  nomadski Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:28 am

    Anyone wants to bet that this latest Mars mission will find no ancient bio-mass?  And why I say this?  Because, if conditions needed for life, have to be Earth like. Then if life emerged on Mars, same as Earth, then the period of planetary stability to allow micro- organisms to develop, should have lasted at least long enough for the emergence of multi-cellular organisms or large animals, leaving a fossil record. And there have been many Rovers looking closely at Mars Rocks, without spotting even a fossil of a plant. Do you care to bet? If you win, then the prize is that I will post a song of your choice in the music section. Or I might win  !

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_life#:~:text=The%20history%20of%20life%20on,emerged%20prior%20to%203.7%20Ga.

    Very convinient for Mars magnetosphere to disappear, just at the right time to leave no larger animals or fossil records, and leave perhaps only invisible micro organisms needing a Rover of this type to be sent !
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    Post  starman Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:06 am

    nomadski wrote:
    And there have been many Rovers looking closely at Mars Rocks, without spotting even a fossil of a plant.

    I don't think mission planners ever expected to find anything more sophisticated than microbes. I doubt they'll find stromatolites. Mars was never really a good place to search for life and monies would've been better invested in exoplanet research. That said, I'm still glad Perseverence came down safely. Smile

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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:40 am

    Yeah... you can't just land anywhere on earth and find dinosaur bones in every rock you crack open... the very idea that the pathetically few rovers that have been sent to Mars along with the pathetic distances they travel and actually search is going to find evidence of prehistoric life there was a pipe dream.

    Mars is slightly further away from the Sun and is slightly smaller... two things that are going to make it colder, and an added factor is our moon... what is believed to be such an enormous impact would reset the heat clock back a bit by reheating the planet and adding a large amount of extra mass.

    One of the main reasons for our magnetosphere might be the fact that we have the cores of two protoplanets merged in to one... their might be an excessive amount of heavy elements in the core of the earth keeping things hot and molten which continues to drive our magnetic powered protection from space radiation.

    It would take decades of people searching through Mars rock to start to get some clues as to its history and where to start looking for fossils and potential evidence of remains.

    Mars and Earth have had an enormous amount of time to evolve life... life has started and stopped at least 6 times on Earth... what if it started once and didn't stop on Mars and developed to a much more advanced level than we see here on earth... we don't know...

    The most successful creature on Mars might have been fish based or insectoid, or it might have been able to fly... but they might not have gotten to the technology level Humans did before they lost most of their atmosphere... for all we know Venus might have had life too... in fact based on what we know now about microbial life both planets almost certainly did have some forms of life, the only question would be to ask to what level did it develop to before it was stopped by the current conditions.

    Our advances in designing robots and 3D printers means we should be able to launch a printer and a pile of raw materials and it can start by making mining equipment to explore the local environment for more potential raw materials for the 3D printers to use... it could build buildings for shelter for humans, and if it finds water ice it can start producing water reserves for hydrogen fuel and oxygen to breathe, and it can measure radiation levels and temperatures etc etc...

    By the time humans get sent there it should be nice and comfortable with reserves of fuel and air to breathe... imagine a CO2 scrubber that extracts the Carbon in solid form leaving oxygen... how handy would that be...
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    Post  kvs Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:55 am

    Mars had the same 95% and higher CO2 atmosphere as Earth after its formation and it was much denser than today. It managed
    to cool off and precipitate liquid water forming most likely shallow oceans. But this state did not last since the gravity on Mars is
    too small (1/3 that of Earth and only twice that of the Earth's Moon). It bled the atmosphere and moisture into space from day
    one. So in some ways it is like Venus which lost its water to space and never formed surface water, but in contrast to Venus
    it did not have a locked in runaway warming regime.

    There is water in the Martian regolith, but it froze in less than a billion years. It took a bloody long time for life to emerge on Earth.
    The history of life beyond single cell species spans less than a billion years into the past on Earth (more like 580 million). Mars
    could have developed single cell life in its shallow oceans and this life could have survived as extremophiles in the deep where
    the volcanic activity would have kept the water liquid. However, even volcanism has wound down on Mars. This is the reason
    it has no organized magnetic field like the Earth since it lacks a geodynamo.

    https://mars.nasa.gov/news/453/scientists-say-mars-has-a-liquid-iron-core/

    The volume of Mars is 12% that of Earth, so the amount of Thorium and Uranium in its interior is much smaller. Also, it is likely
    even less than the volume scaling since there is a stratification of heavy elements with distance from the Sun. So it is pretty
    much certain that radioactive decay is not high enough to maintain the temperatures in the core seen on Earth (around 4-6
    thousand Kelvin). The iron core on Mars is not frozen solid, but it is not convecting enough to organize a coherent magnetic field.

    Expecting to find evidence of multicellular life on Mars is unreasonable. But there is likely evidence of single cell life in the
    rocks.

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    Post  starman Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:02 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Mars is slightly further away from the Sun and is slightly smaller…

    Slightly smaller…. it's only a tenth as massive as Earth, about 10.7%. Compared to several known exoplanets it's a dinky nothing. Mars has long had a certain mystique, and this has led to an inordinate emphasis on the little world.


    Mars and Earth have had an enormous amount of time to evolve life…

    Unfortunately Mars froze just when life was beginning to appear here. The surface has been continuously frozen, essentially, since the end of noachian time. A  "warm, wet" Martian era is a myth.

    life has started and stopped at least 6 times on Earth... what if it started once and didn't stop on Mars and developed to a much more advanced level than we see here on earth... we don't know…

    Mass extinctions didn't stop life, but gave previously sidelined life new opportunities.

    The most successful creature on Mars might have been fish based or insectoid, or it might have been able to fly... but they might not have gotten to the technology level Humans did before they lost most of their atmosphere…

    Lol, with the possible exception of a few underground niches, life on Mars was stillborn.
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    Post  starman Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:12 am

    kvs wrote:
    The history of life beyond single cell species spans less than a billion years into the past on Earth (more like 580 million).

    IIRC one work, The Garden of Ediacara indicates multicellular life predated the Cambrian explosion but of course that was still long after the time when Mars froze...

    Expecting to find evidence of multicellular life on Mars is unreasonable.   But there is likely evidence of single cell life in the
    rocks.

    Not necessarily likely but possible.

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