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    Post  starman Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:54 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Radar records & photos/films from USSR & L. America militaries r in the same league as the latest USN revelation.

    So what; that can't compare with actual recovered hardware, without which there is no conclusive case.

    the so-called scholars been proven wrong many times & often change their theories at a drop of a hat.

    "So-called scholars" have consistently rejected most of the bible for a century, and for very good reasons. It's foolhardy to base beliefs on ancient texts.


    A dogmatic believer can always blame a defective glass in the telescope when shown craters on the Moon or wrong dating methods when presented with ancient artifacts/fossils- so to many, it doesn't matter much what scientists & experts say.

    Even "many" may constitute a fringe group, like creationists, who can babble all they want while real scholarship goes on, oblivious to their absurdities.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:12 pm

    So what; that can't compare with actual recovered hardware, without which there is no conclusive case.
    Alien implants were recovered & found to be not of this Earth:
    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/54247d50e4b016149c77301f/t/55ea4f69e4b02a8ac1ba7215/1441419113163/THE+SMOKING+GUN.pdf
    https://www.fanwave.it/en/mysteries/653-roger-leir-the-surgeon-that-removed-alien-implants.html

    https://www.amazon.com/Aliens-Scalpel-Scientific-Extraterrestrial-Millennium/dp/1893183017

    https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/is-there-finally-proof-alien-implants-in-human-bodies.htm

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1994/04/17/alien-reckoning/2c40dbed-4e10-4026-9c3e-629fc734c23e/
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    Post  starman Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:28 pm

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    Alien implants were recovered & found to be not of this Earth:

    The late Dr. Leir has made interesting claims but I've heard criticisms such as he hasn't made finds available to other researchers for corroboration. Even if implants are publicly proven to be advanced devices some have long said abductions are really a secret US government operation. To really prove the case for ET you need alien bodies and a spaceship or some kind of flying craft with means of propulsion unknown to or unmastered by humans. There are good grounds to believe the US government acquired such proof at least once or twice, decades ago. The case for foreign acquisition of real proof is at best much weaker.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:37 pm

    Another example: https://www.post-gazette.com/news/science/2015/12/06/50-years-later-the-Kecksburg-Westmoreland-County-UFO-is-identified-probably/stories/201512060146

    If it isn't alien, why still refusing to talk about & clear it up? Is it still classified on the same level as other UFO related events & if so, why?
    Abductees with health problems r the living evidence. So r the substances left by UFOs: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pentagon-ufo-alloys-program-recover-material-unidentified-flying-objects-not-recognise-us-government-a8117801.html

    No matter what the scientists say, those who were there are convinced that what they saw was unlike anything on earth. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29342407

    Domesticated corn wasn't likely created by humans alone either.
    https://blog.nationalgeographic.org/2009/03/23/corn-domesticated-from-mexican-wild-grass-8700-years-ago/

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    Post  starman Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:58 am

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    If it isn't alien, why still refusing to talk about & clear it up? Is it still classified on the same level as other UFO related events & if so, why?

    I was well aware of Kecksburg, and the near certainty it is ET. Indeed, there is no reasonable prosaic explanation. Timing indicates it wasn't a Venera craft. If it was, why hasn't it been revealed?? A '60s Soviet craft is just cave man technology compared to what we've had for years already.
    But the Kecksburg object, like Roswell material, was obviously retrieved by the US government. Inasmuch as Washington has a virtual monopoly on incontrovertible proof, "disclosure" by other governments doesn't amount to much.

    Abductees with health problems r the living evidence. So r the substances left by UFOs:

    Both interesting but alas, neither is conclusive proof of ET.

    No matter what the scientists say, those who were there are convinced that what they saw was unlike anything on earth.

    Same for witness testimony…..
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:13 pm

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1314480/UFO-Pentagon-report-aliens-sighting-White-House-investigation-extraterrestrial-evidence?int_source=traffic.outbrain&int_medium=traffic.outbrain&int_term=traffic.outbrain&int_content=traffic.outbrain&int_campaign=traffic.outbrain

    We will have to wait a very long time for an intact/wrecked alien craft, since they r not going to have high accident rate. Most probably they'll also automatically self-destruct so the environment isn't harmed & they don't fall into wrong hands. What would be left of them won't pass as undoubtedly remnants of their craft. The aliens will officially reveal themselves to us & open contact at the time & place of their own choosing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tv8JtM4FzQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd2zC5nz9_I&list=PLob1mZcVWOaiAndXgqszrgEeVi8whxxuk

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMy2Lf40Xts
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    Post  starman Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:31 am

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    We will have to wait a very long time for an intact/wrecked alien craft,

    No, this has happened already.

    since they r not going to have high accident rate.

    Smile At least one tome says they have a zero accident rate, but still came down. All interested parties should definitely see this book:

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-alien-grand-design-tim-donovan/1137331176?ean=9781952269868

    https://www.amazon.com/Alien-Grand-Design-Tim-Donovan/dp/1952269865


    Most probably they'll also automatically self-destruct so the environment isn't harmed & they don't fall into wrong hands. What would be left of them won't pass as undoubtedly remnants of their craft.

    They have been undoubted remains since the start of the modern UFO era, seen by some laymen initially but quickly covered up.

    The aliens will officially reveal themselves to us & open contact at the time & place of their own choosing.

    Sure and don't hold your breath waiting...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:46 pm

    No, this has happened already.
    could be, but the odds of it happening again anytime soon r not great.
    They have been undoubted remains since the start of the modern UFO era, seen by some laymen initially but quickly covered up.
    this proves that as a civilization, we were/r not yet ready to face the reality of their presence in the Solar System.
    Sure and don't hold your breath waiting...
    I don't- for that to happen, they/we would need to be in a survival situation requiring help, view us as equals &/ worthy of respect.
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    Post  starman Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:32 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    could be, but the odds of it happening again anytime soon r not great.

    Virtually certain IMO. We can't be sure of the odds; at any time there might be another incident like those of '62 and '65. Or '96.


    this proves that as a civilization, we were/r not yet ready to face the reality of their presence in the Solar System.

    Right, and unreadiness for the reality of ET here isn't the only concern.


    I don't- for that to happen, they/we would need to be in a survival situation requiring help, view us as equals &/ worthy of respect.

    ET appears to respect us to some extent, as we're potential equals. I don't think we'll need their help with the environment or economy but as the aforementioned tome predicts, a future regime will need ET help to succeed.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:55 pm

    https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0979388147/ref=pd_luc_mri?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance
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    Post  starman Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:24 am

    Essentially the "starchild skull" is like the bulk of other evidence for ET: While interesting, and suggestive of "visitors," it doesn't clinch the case for them. The phenomenon is gradually getting us used to it, and will not let the populace have definitive proof yet. For a comprehensive look at what ET is really up to see this: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-alien-grand-design-tim-donovan/1137331176?ean=9781952269868
    Also available on amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Alien-Grand-Design-Tim-Donovan/dp/1952269865
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:48 am

    https://www.rbc.ru/society/15/08/2020/5f373c5d9a7947b6d8fddf28
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    Post  starman Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:55 am

    There were two Roswell sites. As the aforementioned book explains, one was of real significance the other intended to mislead, in time.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:11 am

    https://www.livescience.com/reasons-to-believe-life-on-mars.html

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/08/unusual-meteorite-more-valuable-gold-may-hold-building-blocks-life
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    Post  starman Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:26 pm

    I was aware of those arguments favoring life on Mars but IMO they're not very persuasive. First, I doubt there are substantial "warming periods" due to obliquity shifts. If real warming spells had recurred frequently, resulting in higher atmospheric pressure, there would be much more evidence for post-Noachian erosion.
    Mars may have plenty of features carved by flowing water, but it is fallacious to view them as "ancient rivers." As Carr wrote, outflow channels not only could have been formed under present climatic conditions, they may even have required present climatic conditions since only a thick permafrost plug could've withstood all that artesian pressure prior to release (due to impact or volcanic heating). I don't believe Mars was ever "warm and wet." It is true that in Noachian time Mars had a relatively thick atmosphere causing perceptible erosion. But that ended c 3.8 billion years ago. The problem is that Mars was already in its present deep freeze by then hence may have been completely inhospitable before life could appear.
    Sure, life might lurk in underground niches. It may not be very likely though, since the heat flux from the Martian interior doesn't appear to amount to much. Essentially Mars is geologically dead. The lack of significant volcanic activity since the lower Amazonian attests to the exhaustion of internal heat--the only source of energy for underground life.
    Several known exoplanets may hold much more promise than Mars. The Red Planet has long had a certain mystique, but that shouldn't mean an inordinate focus on it. At least half the money spent on Mars research would've been better invested in missions like Kepler.
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    Post  George1 Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:46 pm

    UFO video footage captured by Russian cosmonaut sent for analysis - Roscosmos


    Earlier on Wednesday, Russian astronaut Ivan Vagner, who is currently at the ISS, said that he might have detected a group of five unidentified flying objects (UFOs) when shooting a time lapse video

    MOSCOW, August 19. /TASS/. The footage of five unidentified objects flying over the Southern hemisphere captured by a Russian cosmonaut at the International Space Station (ISS) has been sent to experts for analysis, Roscosmos Spokesman Vladimir Ustimenko said on the Rossiya-24 channel on Wednesday, noting that it is too early to jump to conclusions over the nature of the objects captured on video.

    "It is too early to make conclusions until our Roscosmos researchers and scientists at the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences tell us what they think," he said. "It was decided to hand over those materials to experts, who will tell us what that was in their opinion."

    Earlier on Wednesday, Russian astronaut Ivan Vagner, who is currently at the International Space Station (ISS), said that he might have detected a group of five unidentified flying objects (UFOs) when shooting a time lapse video. He was shooting the peak of Aurora Borealis when flying over the Antarctic.

    The spaceman stated that he had informed Russian state space corporation Roscosmos about his findings, also sending the video to the Central Research Institute of Machine Building (TsNIIMash) and the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences for further analysis.

    https://tass.com/science/1191653
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    Post  kvs Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:30 pm

    George1 wrote:

    UFO video footage captured by Russian cosmonaut sent for analysis - Roscosmos



    Earlier on Wednesday, Russian astronaut Ivan Vagner, who is currently at the ISS, said that he might have detected a group of five unidentified flying objects (UFOs) when shooting a time lapse video

    MOSCOW, August 19. /TASS/. The footage of five unidentified objects flying over the Southern hemisphere captured by a Russian cosmonaut at the International Space Station (ISS) has been sent to experts for analysis, Roscosmos Spokesman Vladimir Ustimenko said on the Rossiya-24 channel on Wednesday, noting that it is too early to jump to conclusions over the nature of the objects captured on video.

    "It is too early to make conclusions until our Roscosmos researchers and scientists at the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences tell us what they think," he said. "It was decided to hand over those materials to experts, who will tell us what that was in their opinion."

    Earlier on Wednesday, Russian astronaut Ivan Vagner, who is currently at the International Space Station (ISS), said that he might have detected a group of five unidentified flying objects (UFOs) when shooting a time lapse video. He was shooting the peak of Aurora Borealis when flying over the Antarctic.

    The spaceman stated that he had informed Russian state space corporation Roscosmos about his findings, also sending the video to the Central Research Institute of Machine Building (TsNIIMash) and the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences for further analysis.

    https://tass.com/science/1191653

    Human tech for sure.
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    Post  starman Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:14 am

    George1 wrote:
    MOSCOW, August 19. /TASS/. The footage of five unidentified objects flying over the Southern hemisphere...

    Can't they be more specific as to where they flew and is there any corroboration from observers on the ground or at sea? In any event, even if really ET this doesn't seem very spectacular; there have been a gazillion sightings prior to this.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:01 am

    UFO Abductions, A Global Phenomenon 

    https://www.amazon.com/UFO-Abductions-Assorted-Experts-Witnesses/dp/B000A34558


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxjc4Nm728M
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    Post  starman Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:27 pm

    I don't trust Hessemann. Like so many others, he spread misinfo.
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    Post  thegopnik Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:03 am

    Not trying to ruin the fun for everyone for those believing in UFOs but here is some interesting information which I do not know if it was posted here before.

    http://www.project1947.com/gr/grchron4.htm

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    Unannounced black projects could also be an explanation of UFOs


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    Post  kvs Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:16 am

    For sure that all the sightings of UFOs do not involve aliens from other planets. Also, ball lightning gets reported as UFOs so atmospheric phenomena are tagged as aliens.

    And no aliens are going to travel across the galaxy to anally probe humans.

    As to whether aliens exist. That is 100% certain. There are simply too many Earth-like planets for it to be impossible to have human-like sentient species outside the
    Earth. And it is clear that no hyperspace or wormhole travel has been found by any of the likely millions of sentient alien species out there. So we are all basically
    permanently isolated from each other.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:42 am

    And it is clear that no hyperspace or wormhole travel has been found by any of the likely millions of sentient alien species out there.
    did aliens tell u that telepathically? do u know more than Einstein, Sagan & Hawkins?
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    Post  thegopnik Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:05 am

    supposedly leaked UFO story if that hasn't already been shared here let me know. https://ufoscoop.com/admiral-thomas-wilson-dr-eric-davis-documents-images-and-text/
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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:32 am

    did aliens tell u that telepathically? do u know more than Einstein, Sagan & Hawkins?

    You believe in aliens on earth but don't accept communicating with the dead?

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