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    Post  starman on Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:54 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Radar records & photos/films from USSR & L. America militaries r in the same league as the latest USN revelation.

    So what; that can't compare with actual recovered hardware, without which there is no conclusive case.

    the so-called scholars been proven wrong many times & often change their theories at a drop of a hat.

    "So-called scholars" have consistently rejected most of the bible for a century, and for very good reasons. It's foolhardy to base beliefs on ancient texts.


    A dogmatic believer can always blame a defective glass in the telescope when shown craters on the Moon or wrong dating methods when presented with ancient artifacts/fossils- so to many, it doesn't matter much what scientists & experts say.

    Even "many" may constitute a fringe group, like creationists, who can babble all they want while real scholarship goes on, oblivious to their absurdities.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:12 pm

    So what; that can't compare with actual recovered hardware, without which there is no conclusive case.
    Alien implants were recovered & found to be not of this Earth:
    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/54247d50e4b016149c77301f/t/55ea4f69e4b02a8ac1ba7215/1441419113163/THE+SMOKING+GUN.pdf
    https://www.fanwave.it/en/mysteries/653-roger-leir-the-surgeon-that-removed-alien-implants.html

    https://www.amazon.com/Aliens-Scalpel-Scientific-Extraterrestrial-Millennium/dp/1893183017

    https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/is-there-finally-proof-alien-implants-in-human-bodies.htm

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1994/04/17/alien-reckoning/2c40dbed-4e10-4026-9c3e-629fc734c23e/
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    Post  starman on Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:28 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Alien implants were recovered & found to be not of this Earth:

    The late Dr. Leir has made interesting claims but I've heard criticisms such as he hasn't made finds available to other researchers for corroboration. Even if implants are publicly proven to be advanced devices some have long said abductions are really a secret US government operation. To really prove the case for ET you need alien bodies and a spaceship or some kind of flying craft with means of propulsion unknown to or unmastered by humans. There are good grounds to believe the US government acquired such proof at least once or twice, decades ago. The case for foreign acquisition of real proof is at best much weaker.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:37 pm

    Another example: https://www.post-gazette.com/news/science/2015/12/06/50-years-later-the-Kecksburg-Westmoreland-County-UFO-is-identified-probably/stories/201512060146

    If it isn't alien, why still refusing to talk about & clear it up? Is it still classified on the same level as other UFO related events & if so, why?
    Abductees with health problems r the living evidence. So r the substances left by UFOs: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pentagon-ufo-alloys-program-recover-material-unidentified-flying-objects-not-recognise-us-government-a8117801.html

    No matter what the scientists say, those who were there are convinced that what they saw was unlike anything on earth. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29342407

    Domesticated corn wasn't likely created by humans alone either.
    https://blog.nationalgeographic.org/2009/03/23/corn-domesticated-from-mexican-wild-grass-8700-years-ago/

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    Post  starman on Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:58 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    If it isn't alien, why still refusing to talk about & clear it up? Is it still classified on the same level as other UFO related events & if so, why?

    I was well aware of Kecksburg, and the near certainty it is ET. Indeed, there is no reasonable prosaic explanation. Timing indicates it wasn't a Venera craft. If it was, why hasn't it been revealed?? A '60s Soviet craft is just cave man technology compared to what we've had for years already.
    But the Kecksburg object, like Roswell material, was obviously retrieved by the US government. Inasmuch as Washington has a virtual monopoly on incontrovertible proof, "disclosure" by other governments doesn't amount to much.

    Abductees with health problems r the living evidence. So r the substances left by UFOs:

    Both interesting but alas, neither is conclusive proof of ET.

    No matter what the scientists say, those who were there are convinced that what they saw was unlike anything on earth.

    Same for witness testimony…..
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:13 pm

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1314480/UFO-Pentagon-report-aliens-sighting-White-House-investigation-extraterrestrial-evidence?int_source=traffic.outbrain&int_medium=traffic.outbrain&int_term=traffic.outbrain&int_content=traffic.outbrain&int_campaign=traffic.outbrain

    We will have to wait a very long time for an intact/wrecked alien craft, since they r not going to have high accident rate. Most probably they'll also automatically self-destruct so the environment isn't harmed & they don't fall into wrong hands. What would be left of them won't pass as undoubtedly remnants of their craft. The aliens will officially reveal themselves to us & open contact at the time & place of their own choosing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tv8JtM4FzQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd2zC5nz9_I&list=PLob1mZcVWOaiAndXgqszrgEeVi8whxxuk

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMy2Lf40Xts
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    Post  starman on Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:31 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    We will have to wait a very long time for an intact/wrecked alien craft,

    No, this has happened already.

    since they r not going to have high accident rate.

    Smile At least one tome says they have a zero accident rate, but still came down. All interested parties should definitely see this book:

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-alien-grand-design-tim-donovan/1137331176?ean=9781952269868

    https://www.amazon.com/Alien-Grand-Design-Tim-Donovan/dp/1952269865


    Most probably they'll also automatically self-destruct so the environment isn't harmed & they don't fall into wrong hands. What would be left of them won't pass as undoubtedly remnants of their craft.

    They have been undoubted remains since the start of the modern UFO era, seen by some laymen initially but quickly covered up.

    The aliens will officially reveal themselves to us & open contact at the time & place of their own choosing.

    Sure and don't hold your breath waiting...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:46 pm

    No, this has happened already.
    could be, but the odds of it happening again anytime soon r not great.
    They have been undoubted remains since the start of the modern UFO era, seen by some laymen initially but quickly covered up.
    this proves that as a civilization, we were/r not yet ready to face the reality of their presence in the Solar System.
    Sure and don't hold your breath waiting...
    I don't- for that to happen, they/we would need to be in a survival situation requiring help, view us as equals &/ worthy of respect.
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    Post  starman on Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:32 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    could be, but the odds of it happening again anytime soon r not great.

    Virtually certain IMO. We can't be sure of the odds; at any time there might be another incident like those of '62 and '65. Or '96.


    this proves that as a civilization, we were/r not yet ready to face the reality of their presence in the Solar System.

    Right, and unreadiness for the reality of ET here isn't the only concern.


    I don't- for that to happen, they/we would need to be in a survival situation requiring help, view us as equals &/ worthy of respect.

    ET appears to respect us to some extent, as we're potential equals. I don't think we'll need their help with the environment or economy but as the aforementioned tome predicts, a future regime will need ET help to succeed.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:55 pm

    https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0979388147/ref=pd_luc_mri?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance
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    Post  starman on Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:24 am

    Essentially the "starchild skull" is like the bulk of other evidence for ET: While interesting, and suggestive of "visitors," it doesn't clinch the case for them. The phenomenon is gradually getting us used to it, and will not let the populace have definitive proof yet. For a comprehensive look at what ET is really up to see this: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-alien-grand-design-tim-donovan/1137331176?ean=9781952269868
    Also available on amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Alien-Grand-Design-Tim-Donovan/dp/1952269865

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