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    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:32 am

    How come there are no alien corpses or alien space craft or actual physical evidence anything like what you are suggesting happened?
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    Post  starman on Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:49 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    It could've been altered by them to have enough heat & light. They could even hollow it out & stay underground during its apogee/winter.

    Laughing Even at perihelion/summer a planet that far out will be a frozen wasteland. Why not just terraform Venus or Mars? All they'd have to do is alter surface conditions; no need to go through the tremendous trouble of hollowing out a planet...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:01 pm

    GarryB wrote:How come there are no alien corpses or alien space craft or actual physical evidence anything like what you are suggesting happened?

    In the early 40's and 50's, the cover story for UFO sightings became swamp gas, weather balloons etc, and just after the Kennedy assassination, the CIA, coined the phrase conspiracy theorist, in a effort to ridicule anyone who questioned the official story.
    https://www.paranormalcrucible.com/2019/02/giant-human-skeleton-found-in-thailand.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts#Religious_and_cultural_practices

    https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2017/02/skeleton-of-an-ancient-giant-found-in-iran/

    https://www.ancient-code.com/mystery-18-giant-skeletons-found-wisconsin/

    http://humansarefree.com/2014/09/the-great-smithsonian-cover-up-18-giant.html
    http://www.sydhav.no/giants/newspapers.htm

    https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/smithsonian-admits-to-destruction-of-thousands-of-giant-human-skeletons-in-early-1900s/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/skeletons-china-giants-5000-year-old-archaeologists-discovered-jiaojia-jinan-shandong-a7824326.html

    https://newsinstact.com/alien/giant-skeleton-found-at-khao-khanap-nam-cave-makes-the-news/

    https://www.ancient-code.com/scientists-analyze-giant-skeletons-found-in-ecuador-and-peru/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts#Irish_Book_of_Invasions

    https://listverse.com/2013/08/15/10-mysterious-artifacts-that-are-allegedly-alien/

    http://www.aliens-everything-you-want-to-know.com/AlienImplants.html

    Crashed craft were either recovered by aliens, got destroyed/buried by natural processes, or salvaged & taken apart by humans for toys, souvenirs, & as materials to make other things.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:40 pm

    If aliens visit the earth, what do they want/

    If they want to us to know about them, they can easily contact us in a much more obvious way - for example by landing their crafts in the middle of a large city.

    If they don't know us to know about them, then with their tech being centuries ahead of us, they could easily stay stealth.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:09 pm

    If they want to us to know about them, they can easily contact us in a much more obvious way - for example by landing their crafts in the middle of a large city.
    much safer for every1 to study us incognito.


    https://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/11/world/ufo-landing-is-fact-not-fantasy-the-russians-insist.html

    https://www.unmyst3.com/2010/02/voronezh-ufo-landing-case.html

    https://www.theblackvault.com/casefiles/voronezh-russia-ufo-landing-and-aliens/

    https://exemplore.com/ufos-aliens/The-Voronezh-UFO-Incident

    Other evidence of possible alien involvement:

    https://www.sitchinstudies.com/anunnaki-structures.html


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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:59 am

    In the early 40's and 50's, the cover story for UFO sightings became swamp gas, weather balloons etc, and just after the Kennedy assassination, the CIA, coined the phrase conspiracy theorist, in a effort to ridicule anyone who questioned the official story.

    Weather balloons and swamp gas and a lot of other natural things like geese flying in formation lit by the glow of city lights can all be mistaken for alien space craft.

    UFO is simple an object in the sky that you can't identify... if I look up without my glasses on most things are UFOs... that doesn't make them aliens from another planet.

    For all we know they might be time travellers from the future and the reason they don't want to make contact is that they don't want to fuck up the time line.

    Or maybe they do...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:43 am

    Weather balloons and swamp gas and a lot of other natural things like geese flying in formation lit by the glow of city lights can all be mistaken for alien space craft.
    true, but there were Ks of unexplained sightings. Outside the Anglo-Saxon world, there was no attempt to suppress UFO issue during the Cold War.
    In the USSR, UFO propaganda was forbidden, but the Samizdat translated & printed local & Western reports/discussions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosmopoisk
    For all we know they might be time travellers from the future and the reason they don't want to make contact is that they don't want to fuck up the time line.
    from 100s & Ks of light years away, they can observe the Solar system & see how it looked like back in time, just like we can look into past with our telescopes. But I doubt it's possible to physically go back in time- by the time u arrive to a distant star system, that world would be at its current state at that time, not in its past.
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    Post  starman on Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:41 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:If aliens visit the earth, what do they want/

    If they want to us to know about them, they can easily contact us in a much more obvious way - for example by landing their crafts in the middle of a large city.

    If they don't know us to know about them, then with their tech being centuries ahead of us, they could easily stay stealth.

    One highly controversial book, The Alien Plan for Earth opines that ETs deliberately show themselves, albeit only briefly, as part of a slow process of getting humanity used to them, prior to overt interactions. The work cites examples of bad psychological reactions to support its view that it's still too early now (although there's other evidence that progress is being made).
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    Post  starman on Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:46 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Weather balloons and swamp gas and a lot of other natural things like geese flying in formation lit by the glow of city lights can all be mistaken for alien space craft.

    In some cases maybe but no way they can explain all reports.


    For all we know they might be time travellers from the future and the reason they don't want to make contact is that they don't want to fuck up the time line.

    It's noteworthy that the phenomenon consists largely of flying craft which descend and ascend--highly suggestive of ET whereas time travelers wouldn't need flying craft. Furthermore time travel is at best unverified whereas we ourselves are beginner space travelers.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:09 pm

    ..ETs deliberately show themselves, albeit only briefly, as part of a slow process of getting humanity used to them, prior to overt interactions.
    https://www.amazon.com/Alien-Plan-Earth-Tim-Donovan/dp/1630044903

    no doubt! Some elements in governments r also declassifying, leaking or not suppressing/harrasing/ridiculing info./individual sources on past & recent incidents, in case a traumatic event occurs & causes panic.
    The era of the Projects Blue Book & Grudge that were intended to debunk alien origin of UFOs is over.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-over-arizona-sighting-american-airlines-learjet-pilots-see-ufo/


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    Post  starman on Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:44 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:.... in case a traumatic event occurs & causes panic.

    I doubt that will happen, as neither the government nor ETs appear to want it and between the two of them they have things under control.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:56 pm

    It could be non-confrontational but still frightening. For example, an asteroid/comet on a collision course with Earth is deflected to hit the Moon or unpopulated area instead of a big city, after our own probes/weapons sent to study/destroy it disappear.
    Scientists have explained why we have not met aliens

    Alien sarcophagi discovered near the Great Pyramid in Giza


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    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:05 pm

    It is rather obvious that Earth is not being visited by anal probing aliens. Of course, that does not imply the lack of alien life and
    civilizations on other planets. But:

    1) None of those advanced alien civilizations are within our stellar neighbourhood. If they were there, we would have SETI picking
    up vast amounts of EM signals confirming their presence. That SETI is picking up background noise only means that they are too
    far away.

    2) It is now certain that the speed of light is absolute. Trying to move faster than the speed of light is like trying to move a
    wave in the water faster than it can go and causing cavitation. The lack of any physical evidence of alien spacecraft anywhere
    (including in transit between remote points and not just on Earth) means that no alien civilization has broken the speed of light
    barrier. Sci-fi dreams of warp bubbles or super-string hyperspace tesseraction have not been realized in accessible parts of the
    universe.

    3) Supposing (2) is wrong, it just means that advanced aliens can't be bothered to investigate some primitive backwater. We
    have nothing to offer them and they don't have an anal fetish.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:01 pm

    If they were there, we would have SETI picking
    up vast amounts of EM signals confirming their presence.

    they could use other forms of communication &/ suppress EM signals not to reveal themselves.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington,_D.C._UFO_incident

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/03/science/UFO-sightings-USA.html

    https://www.history.com/news/ufos-washington-white-house-air-force-coverup

    https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ufo-government5.htm

    Yet, there's many a slip, and the censors overlooked a sensational article in the newspaper "Trud" on January 30, 1985 entitled "At 4:10 Sharp". The article reported an episode when a UFO with a lighted outline the size of Pskov Lake followed a TU-134A passenger plane (Flight No 8352) till it landed in Tallinn. The object was clearly seen on the radar screen.
    At the same time another TU-134 plane was flying from Leningrad (St. Petersburg) to Tbilisi and the Control Tower informed its crew that there was a strange "tandem" right on their course. When First Pilot V. Gotsiridze, the Commander of the Tbilisi plane, noticed the object he decided to approach it and have a better look at it. That cost him his life.
    The Unidentified Object shot a scanning ray which travelled over First Pilot Gotsiridze and partially over Second Pilot Kabachnikov. Several days later Gotsiridze was taken to the hospital where he died of a disease which resembled myeloma. A similar disease made Kabachnikov an invalid for life. (These facts are documented with medical conclusions.)

    https://ufoexperiences.blogspot.com/2007/02/development-of-ufology-in-russia.html
    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0005516658.pdf

    I knew a former Aeroflot pilot in Tbilisi- he confirmed the cancers of those 2 pilots to me back in 1986.
    As the Times reports, pilot sightings of UFOs have increased since “their 1980s-era radar was upgraded to a more advanced system. As one fighter jet after another got the new radar, pilots began picking up the objects, but ignoring what they thought were false radar tracks.”..Then, in November 2018, scientists from the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics proposed a long-shot hypothesis about the cigar-shaped object Oumuamua, which passed through the solar system in 2017: It was a “solar sail,” gathering energy from the sun to accelerate through our galaxial neighborhood. (The technology isn’t all that complicated; humans have already developed it.)
    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/navy-pilots-are-seeing-ufos-on-an-almost-daily-basis-report.html

    https://www.archives.gov/news/articles/do-records-show-proof-of-ufos
    https://www.socorronm.org/attractions/socorro-landing-a-ufo-story/




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    Post  nomadski on Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:22 pm

    We all know about NASA probes sent to Mars. There were instruments on board. To detect life. Microbial life. World scientists have no problems postulating about the possibility of life in our own solar system. On Titan. Or Europa. They can all easily imagine a lower and less intelligent life form. Microbes. Ocean dwelling giant eels in the Oceon of Europa.

    But they can not imagine an intelligent life form visiting Earth. More intelligent and advanced than humans. Why? The reason is fear. Yes fear. That is why they do not fund SETI. Oh! That is pseudoscience. Conjecture. Waste of money. Laugh out loud. Less intelligent beings is science. Let's send a probe. Let's talk about it. More advanced. Let's call it useless. This is psychology at work. We all loose our sense of self importance. Feel insecure.

    I think governments should equally fund search for intelligent and non - intelligent life. No discrimination here. I think we can learn much more from intelligent ET, than Bacteria on Mars.

    So Russia and China and America should jointly fund SETI. And yes I believe ET has visited Earth. On account of  an experience by a  stable and reliable witness, I know myself.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:39 pm

    nomadski wrote:We all know about NASA probes sent to Mars. There were instruments on board. To detect life. Microbial life. World scientists have no problems postulating about the possibility of life in our own solar system. On Titan. Or Europa. They can all easily imagine a lower and less intelligent life form. Microbes. Ocean dwelling giant eels in the Oceon of Europa.

    But they can not imagine an intelligent life form visiting Earth. More intelligent and advanced than humans. Why? The reason is fear. Yes fear. That is why they do not fund SETI. Oh! That is pseudoscience. Conjecture. Waste of money. Laugh out loud. Less intelligent beings is science. Let's send a probe. Let's talk about it. More advanced. Let's call it useless. This is psychology at work. We all loose our sense of self importance. Feel insecure.

    I think governments should equally fund search for intelligent and non - intelligent life. No discrimination here. I think we can learn much more from intelligent ET, than Bacteria on Mars.

    So Russia and China and America should jointly fund SETI. And yes I believe ET has visited Earth. On account of  an experience by a  stable and reliable witness, I know myself.

    Instead of looking for objective physical evidence, you postulate subjective claims and guesses about conspiracies and the psychology of
    the deciders.

    If these mighty and fear-inducing aliens visited Earth, they would not need to hide in the shadows and could rub it in our noses. Then no
    amount of conspiracy could cover it up.

    The idea of some secret alien autopsy at Area 51 is moronic and absurd. Powerful aliens would arrive to claim their fallen and not abandon them
    like they were afraid of humans.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:59 am

    If these mighty and fear-inducing aliens visited Earth, they would not need to hide in the shadows and could rub it in our noses.
    they r more likely neutral & would rather gradually prepare us for their coming. Ur posts show typical biased & shallow assumptions about them. Just because they didn't personally visit some university professors, theologians, & politicians to announce their presence & call a press conference doesn't mean that they don't exist.
    The idea of some secret alien autopsy at Area 51 is moronic and absurd. Powerful aliens would arrive to claim their fallen and not abandon them like they were afraid of humans.
    If it did happen, they were expendable androids not worth claiming them.
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    Post  nomadski on Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:01 am

    @ KVS

    "...... Instead of looking for objective physical evidence, you postulate subjective claims and guesses about conspiracies and the psychology of  the deciders......".

    Agree. Since I do not have the means to look for them and find conclusive proof, I can not say with certainty that I believe. I can say however , that I believe because no other explanation will fit. On the balance of probability. In court of law, this will stand up for a judge to pass sentence. And is no less than any Nasa scientist postulating about probable life on Titan or Europa. But one probability is accepted as science. Money spent on finding microbes. But other probability is voodoo.

    "..... If these mighty and fear-inducing aliens visited Earth, they would not need to hide in the shadows and could rub it in our noses. Then no amount of conspiracy could cover it up........ "

    I suppose a game warden in the African Kalahari game reserve, after microchiping  a Lion. Would get back into Jeep and leave a trail of jucy steak for Lion to follow, back to his hut!


    "....... The idea of some secret alien autopsy at Area 51 is moronic and absurd. Powerful aliens would arrive to claim their fallen and not abandon them like they were afraid of humans.......... "

    The friend that explained to me his experience, said that they were woken by a sound at night and a strange light came through the open door of bedroom, where there was no light before. An orange light. My friend decided that there was a thief and a break in and decided to close his eyes and stay in bed and wait for thief to get close so he could jump and surprise them. But instead they said that they next opened eyes and found themselves on a bed in a room strangely ordinary with square fluorescent lights on ceiling and ordinary vertical blinds. They said that their arms and legs were being raised and lowered by a force and there was nobody there to do this. After this brief experience they said that they found themselves immobile with eyes shut and limbs limp, unable to move much. They struggled to move, and they could a little. But they felt some hands push down on wrists and ankles to restrain and encourage to lie still. They said they felt they could not win this and decided to play along to allow the restrainers to ease up and then they could jump and break free. As soon as they stopped resisting, they then opened eyes and found themselves back on own bed in own bedroom with strange light gone. This is a very reliable witness who has only told me. The interest shown was medical and reproductive.
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    Post  starman on Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:48 am

    kvs wrote:It is rather obvious that Earth is not being visited by anal probing aliens.

    Given the vast number of UFO reports--many unsolved or unexplainable in prosaic terms after decades--I think it's obvious that we are being visited.

    1) None of those advanced alien civilizations are within our stellar neighbourhood.   If they were there, we would have SETI picking
    up vast amounts of EM signals confirming their presence.
     

    Advanced ETs have probably gone far beyond the stage of radio communication. We are rank beginners as civilization here is just a few thousand years old. It could be hundreds of thousands or millions elsewhere. It's highly naive to assume our understanding of physics and our technology are the last word.


    The lack of any physical evidence of alien spacecraft anywhere
    (including in transit between remote points and not just on Earth) means that no alien civilization has broken the speed of light
    barrier.

    Laughing Physical evidence, albeit not publicly accessible, has been obtained and argues that ETs have broken or circumvented "the speed of light barrier."

    Supposing (2) is wrong, it just means that advanced aliens can't be bothered to investigate some primitive backwater.   We
    have nothing to offer them and they don't have an anal fetish.

    We spend vast sums investigating Mars even though any indigenous life there almost certainly never got beyond the level of microbes.
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    Post  starman on Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:55 am

    kvs wrote:
    If these mighty and fear-inducing aliens visited Earth, they would not need to hide in the shadows and could rub it in our noses.

    They don't hide completely or there wouldn't be UFOlogy. They show themselves, plenty of times, to slowly familiarize humanity with them.

    The idea of some secret alien autopsy at Area 51 is moronic and absurd.    Powerful aliens would arrive to claim their fallen....

    Unless, they wanted things to fall into military hands. The book mentioned previously, The Alien Plan for Earth goes into considerable length about all this.
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    Post  jhelb on Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:34 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:It could be non-confrontational but still frightening. For example, an asteroid/comet on a collision course with Earth is deflected to hit the Moon or unpopulated area instead of a big city, after our own probes/weapons sent to study/destroy it disappear.

    If the aliens indeed have some sort of understanding with US/Western governments I'm quite certain it's not for the betterment of humanity, especially those of us who are from Russia, Asia and Africa.

    If an asteroid crashes on Earth millions will die. But then millions are dying every day, globally, for instance due to road accidents. Are aliens taking any steps to prevent that? No.

    Lowlifes like Kissinger will be privy to any discussion on topics related to aliens. But note he, along with many other individuals who represent the US Government, House of Windsor have expressed a strong desire to eliminate millions in Russia, third world countries so that the US could get minerals and natural resources from those countries.

    starman wrote:Physical evidence, albeit not publicly accessible, has been obtained and argues that ETs have broken or circumvented "the speed of light barrier."

    Can you please share some link about this discovery ?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:35 pm

    If an asteroid crashes on Earth millions will die. But then millions are dying every day, globally, for instance due to road accidents. Are aliens taking any steps to prevent that? No.
    It'll depend on the size, speed & point of impact of an asteroid. Ms r not dying every day in road accidents, maybe dozens. The aliens r concerned with planet wide threats & already showed their concern with our nuclear testing, accidents & weapons.
    Can you please share some link about this discovery?
    See my prev. post with links to implants.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29342407

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/groundbreaking-ufo-video-just-released-from-chilean_b_586d37bce4b014e7c72ee56b

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/17/pentagon-admits-running-secret-ufo-investigation-for-five-years

    They wouldn't be spending $Ms if there was nothing to investigate; too many people/entities r involved to blame it all on corruption.


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    Post  nomadski on Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:16 pm


    @ Tsavo lion

    Whatever this phenomenon really is, mass hysteria or the collective unconscious or CIA fancy story or excuses by post man for being late for his rounds! ( yes there was case of postman who blamed being late for rounds on being abducted by aliens!) or atmospheric phenomenon or actual visitations, I really do think that world governments should cooperate in following areas :

    ( 1) The building of fusion reactors.

    ( 2) The formation of Earth defence shield against meteor and Asteroid strikes.

    ( 3) The funding of SETI. As well as existing space programmes.

    What we should avoid is spending money in copying " advanced" and " reverse Engineered" alien recovered tech. Like the TR3 anti - gravity! drive. This is the trap.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:34 pm

    starman wrote:Given the vast number of UFO reports

    Most of which are airliners...
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    Post  jhelb on Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:44 pm

    Thanks for the links.

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The aliens r concerned with planet wide threats & already showed their concern with out nuclear testing, accidents & weapons.

    How have they showed their concern ? Because in the last 70 + years more than 2,000 nuclear test explosions have taken place already.

    Accidents and weapons too ?

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