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    Israeli Airstrikes in Syria

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    Post  nomadski Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:00 am


    Iran may not need to put Boots on the ground in Syria or Iraq anymore. Since local forces are mostly trained and capable of fighting the Rats. Iran has a direct land route and air route for trade with Syria and Lebanon. This route is also of benefit to Iraq and Syria, for trade. Iran can do normal trade and Arms trade with both countries.

    The policy of Iran can be a forward looking and progressive and practical long term one. Instead of establishing military bases, allowing national and local forces to defend their own interests. This policy becomes a more practical approach, as stability returns.

    The powers that will be more in difficult position, are those that occupy land , keep these nations in subservient and dependent state, and try to block or push others out to gain monopoly position.

    None of the occupation forces in Syria, prioritise Syrian national interests, over their own. But it takes a really wise man to see the road ahead. I think the best deal for Syrians is freedom and independence. Including ability to defend themselves. Not just be target of attacks.

    Even Russia wanted to scale back involvement in Syria, after the Rats were largely beaten back. But unfortunately other problems like Turkey and American involvement stopped that.

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    Post  ahmedfire Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:32 pm

    They can put a blanket ban on air traffic (west of the Euphrates), station Russians with Syrians etc, those type measures would nullify the israeli plans.

    And if the Israelis came again ,the Russians would have to down then and again it's a war .

    Israel strategy is to eliminate the danger while being prepared ,not to wait it till being a powerful danger .

    The Russians are saving the Syrian govt and people but if it wants to get the hell out of this very expensive war, it needs Syria and all aspects of the saa to be functional and of strength.

    The Syrians have no money for such plans to rebuild SAA .
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    Post  crod Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:00 am

    They just hit South Allepo 60 min ago. Targeted Iranian weapons depot within a Syrian military compound. Syrian forces claim they shot down many of the missiles but vids appearing to show strikes with follow up explosions have been published.
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    Post  nomadski Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:47 am


    An easy solution against Usrael attacks against land targets is to build underground shelters for storage and quickly moving supplies from port or Airport to these facilities. To stop Earth penetrating warheads as has been used before, simply build deeper. Also reactive mines can be placed on shallow sections and entrances to destroy incoming warhead. This way no need to waste AD assets or involve external powers too much. BTW, Iran manufactures anti - aircraft ( Helicopter) jumping mines.... Could be adapted for missiles.


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    Post  Hole Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:39 pm

    Possible terror attack (some call it airstrike) at Latakia harbor.
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    Deadly iranian weapons were destroyed.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:12 pm

    Is this where the Russian navy is located?

    And is that a single damaged container?

    More in line with a single small bomb/explosive.

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    Post  Hole Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:10 pm

    Happened in the harbor of Latakia. In the north. Tartus is on the southern part of the coastline.

    A few containers were damaged/destroyed. Filled with flour, coffee, rice and so on. You know, all you need for a dirty bomb. Rolling Eyes

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:08 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Is this where the Russian navy is located?

    And is that a single damaged container?

    More in line with a single small bomb/explosive.

    No, the Russians are in Tartous further to the north.

    This is a better photo of the area hit. It appears that several munitions came in from the direction of the sea, probably guided bombs or small cruise missiles that the IAF usually uses.

    Quite why is the subject of speculation as its not a clear military target. Best bet is probably the Israelis are trying to hit stuff coming in from Iran so making the Syrians nervous about handling it or create dissatisfaction with Russia for not stopping it.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:59 pm

    This video shows the defense of the harbor. Was the hit only a crosslock?
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1468012484036595715
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    Post  thegopnik Wed Dec 29, 2021 1:21 am

    So any interests in setting up air defenses here since it happened twice Rolling Eyes

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/28/israeli-air-raid-targets-syrian-port-of-latakia-state-media
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    Post  par far Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:32 pm

    "Russian MoD Reveals Why Syria Didn’t Activate Its Air Defenses During Recent Israeli Attack On Lattakia"



    The Jews are playing dirty, like they have always done.




    https://southfront.org/russian-mod-reveals-why-syria-didnt-activate-its-air-defenses-during-recent-israeli-attack-on-lattakia/

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:07 pm

    Russia is playing a double game here. This is not a good thing. It weakens an ally's credible position and shows that Syria cannot fully rely on Russia. It only makes Iran more credible and a real ally. Russia must act now and Syria finally deliver TorM1 from old stocks. So Syria can detach PanzirM1 itself out and protect such civilian objects. So an effective close-range protection is possible without Israel being shot down. But Russia must finally give Syria Tor now, now !!! Otherwise it loses everyone Credibility!

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:08 pm

    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Russia is playing a double game here. This is not a good thing. It weakens an ally's credible position and shows that Syria cannot fully rely on Russia. It only makes Iran more credible and a real ally. Russia must act now and Syria finally deliver TorM1 from old stocks. So Syria can detach PanzirM1 itself out and protect such civilian objects. So an effective close-range protection is possible without Israel being shot down. But Russia must finally give Syria Tor now, now !!! Otherwise it loses everyone Credibility!

    So where is Chinas or Iran's AD systems then?

    Russia has been only one providing them to Syria BTW. This includes Pantsirs.

    Syrians showed their incompetence by shooting down a Russian plane when trying to engage Israeli strikes. How is Russia responsible? I find it funny how people like you Will always blame Russia even though they saved Syria. The strike did so little damage, Israel spent more launching the bombs from far away than probably material damage. It's up to Syria and Iran to engage Israel then, not Russia. Since the target was Iranian cargo apparently.

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    Post  Isos Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:38 pm

    Russia went there to fight the "opposition" that was getting too close to their base in Tartus.

    Syrians can feel lucky they helped them retake even the eastern Syria. That wasn't russian's plan in the begining. West Syria was all they wanted.

    If they didn't go their, Syria would have been an israeli and turkish colony right now.

    When it comes to iranian activities in Syria, they never gave a **** about them and that won't change. Fight as much as you want. Neither syrian casualities are. They die because they are allied with Iran against Israel.

    Russia isn't.


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    Post  Mindstorm Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:32 am



    This IAF attack to the Latakia's port perfectly represent the elements i have exposed for the series of failed IAF attacks toward Damascus and Homs: this attack perfectly worked (4 on 4 Deliah missiles on targets) thanks to updated intelligence ,almost certainly HUMINT from SAA operatives in the area , about the incoming landing of a ВВС's transport aircraft manoeuvring for the approach from sea to land at Хмеймим.

    Is important to notice that the two IAF F-16s do not employed at all thiers radars to illuminate airspace (an action that would have represented an open violation of the deal, on the ROE, with Federation's High Command an almost certainly theirs immediate destruction) and no other Israeli radars could have tracked, in that area, the position of the ВВС's transport aircraft.

    Those two IAF F-16s therefore simply stationed at 40-50 km from the shores of Latakia commercial port until they received precise third party informations ,likely through coded satellite channel, about the manoeuvres of the BBC's aircraft and placed themselves in the radar shadow cover, knowing also that SAA units has been strictly prohibited to open fire during BBC's units landing at Хмеймим.


    In that district is necessary a deep investagation on moles and collaborators among SAA's operatives because, in the failure of such counter-intelligence operation the unique alternative would be to completely block communication channels, including public cellular and internet ones, in the entire distict, a measure that would penalise greatly the life of the civil population.

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    Post  nomadski Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:06 am

    IMHO . An operator on the ground , using eyesight or binoculars could not direct Israel air force to precise coordinates to be in Radar shadow to enable firing from 50 km distance . Therefore position of Radar known in advance of precise position of BBC aircraft in relation to position of Israel plane ? The position of BBC plane on approach is critical and key , since Radar position fixed and known in advance . Therefore UK guilty ?

    And doubt that container full of missile is left in port . No-one is that careless . But even if so , then does not necessarily need spy to report , which one full of metal parts . This can be done by IR heat signature . A container full of baby milk powder looks different . Remember Saddam buried jet fighter under sand and bridge , easily seen with IR camera ?

    So if bringing in missile by port , then fill some container with scrap metal and leave under Sun . If they are hit , then observation from IR camera . Not spy knowing in advance . Also in my view , not good at all to hide source of attack . People have the right to know , who is attacking ? Like Iranians hiding all these attacks , what good did it achieve ? The Liberals singing with sorrow , if we point the finger at uncle Sam !
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    Post  Mindstorm Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:38 pm

    nomadski wrote:IMHO . An operator on the ground , using eyesight or binoculars could not direct Israel air force to precise coordinates to be in Radar shadow to enable firing from 50 km distance . Therefore position of Radar known in advance of precise position of BBC aircraft in relation to position of Israel plane ? The position of BBC plane on approach is critical and key , since Radar position fixed and known in advance . Therefore UK guilty ?


    Obviously it is not an observer with binoculars, it must be an operative with access to military communications between air control centers and aircraft units or even a radar operator itself; the informations provided should had been sufficent for the two F-16Is to employ theirs Rafael Litening II pods, in restricted field of view, to detect and identify precisely the landing BBC's transport aircraft.

    Only at this point the two Israeli aircraft can manoeuver to "cover" ,at least partially behind its radar shadow and deliver safely from there theirs 4 Deliah missiles toward the intended targets at the port.



    nomadski wrote:And doubt that container full of missile is left in port . No-one is that careless . But even if so , then does not necessarily need spy to report , which one full of metal parts . This can be done by IR heat signature . A container full of baby milk powder looks different . Remember Saddam buried jet fighter under sand and bridge , easily seen with IR camera ?

    So if bringing in missile by port , then fill some container with scrap metal and leave under Sun . If they are hit , then observation from IR camera . Not spy knowing in advance . Also in my view , not good at all to hide source of attack . People have the right to know , who is attacking ? Like Iranians hiding all these attacks , what good did it achieve ? The Liberals singing with sorrow , if we point the finger at uncle Sam


    Do you mean space based IR sensors ? Not existing space based sensor ,not even among those available to US or the Federation, can today know by its signature, of any kind, the content of a sealed container.

    Probably instead the information, at least a general one on the overall position of a container "of interest" in a particular spot of the port ,has been provided by the same network of moles and collaborators.
    Not a viable and credible alternative explanation exist for the chain of events.



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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:01 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:
    nomadski wrote:IMHO . An operator on the ground , using eyesight or binoculars could not direct Israel air force to precise coordinates to be in Radar shadow to enable firing from 50 km distance . Therefore position of Radar known in advance of precise position of BBC aircraft in relation to position of Israel plane ? The position of BBC plane on approach is critical and key , since Radar position fixed and known in advance . Therefore UK guilty ?

    Obviously it is not an observer with binoculars, it must be an operative with access to military communications between air control centers and aircraft units or even a radar operator itself; the informations provided should had been sufficent for the two F-16Is to employ theirs Rafael Litening  II pods, in restricted field of view, to detect and identify precisely the landing BBC's transport aircraft.

    The Russian aircraft was probably flying in with all its lights on. Don't even need binoculars, just a mobile phone to send a text.

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    Post  nomadski Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:27 pm

    Different explanation exist .

    ( 1 ) They do observe by Radar from ground or air .

    ( 2 ) They do know details of flights in and out of Syria .

    ( 3 ) They observe approaching aircraft , from Syria .

    On TV , it was obvious they hit wrong containers before , full of dry goods and food . So if spy , then very stupid one . No evidence yet of hitting anything important in port area .


    Solution :

    Since they did this many times , then fighter escort for larger planes , especially on landing or near positions , where they can use this tactic . Also if Israel plane approach  then bump into them !  Or place Sukhoi between F16 and target ! Also transfer important cargo immediately or offload in another port , not near commercial flights and in line of fire of SAM . Also use decoys at ports to confuse thermal imaging cameras or hand held chemical sensors .

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n0zfI-ZGeow

    All materials , heat and cool at different rates , enough to distinguish them apart , called thermal emissivity , a quality of materials even inside metal containers .
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:17 am

    IMHO . An operator on the ground , using eyesight or binoculars could not direct Israel air force to precise coordinates to be in Radar shadow to enable firing from 50 km distance . Therefore position of Radar known in advance of precise position of BBC aircraft in relation to position of Israel plane ? The position of BBC plane on approach is critical and key , since Radar position fixed and known in advance . Therefore UK guilty ?

    Hahahaha... my friend... UK not involved.... BBC is cyrillic and is VVS.... Russian Air Force... a Russian plane was used as cover for this attack.

    Also the person on the ground just needs to visually see the Russian aircraft... which is a transport type I presume... its presence would mean all air defence units in the area are not allowed to engage air targets, so precise visibility of the target and its radar shadow is not needed... once the aircraft is present the ground defence can no longer engage air targets.

    In that district is necessary a deep investagation on moles and collaborators among SAA's operatives because, in the failure of such counter-intelligence operation the unique alternative would be to completely block communication channels, including public cellular and internet ones, in the entire distict, a measure that would penalise greatly the life of the civil population.

    Or perhaps a repeat but using Su-35s instead of a VVS transport plane so when those Israelis launch weapons at a Syrian port those Su-35s can shoot those F-16s down as well as any munitions they might have launched...

    Or let ground based SAMs deal with the F-16s and munitions fired...

    And triangulate the cell phone and give them the same treatment they gave that Chechen leader...


    Probably instead the information, at least a general one on the overall position of a container "of interest" in a particular spot of the port ,has been provided by the same network of moles and collaborators.
    Not a viable and credible alternative explanation exist for the chain of events.

    Targeting would be tricky because containers will be moved all the time... new ones coming in and old ones going out... it is no surprise the containers hit seem to be non military in nature... but then I doubt they would show images of missiles or bullets or equipment...

    All materials , heat and cool at different rates , enough to distinguish them apart , called thermal emissivity , a quality of materials even inside metal containers .

    Materials inside a container will not be touching the roof of the container, so the roof of the container heated by the sun will be a uniform temperature... if the container next to it is the same colour and receives the same amount of sunlight it will be the same temperature too.  Any recently shifted container will expose a colder container below it.

    Materials inside a container are like things inside a house... invisible to IR sensors.

    Maybe a Russian ship sitting in that port or slightly off shore could have the radar fidelity to distinguish a Russian transport plane from F-16s and stand off attack weapons and they could test their new Redut missiles in self defence.

    The S-400 the Russians used allowed them to see everything that was happening when the Israelis used that Russian recon plane for cover so when the Israelis claimed innocence they could show the radar recording clearly showing exactly what happened and that it was their fault completely and by design... would expect the same or better performance from a new Corvette with Redut or a new Frigate...
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    Post  crod Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:25 am

    @garry it’s pretty clear after years of this that the Russians will do no such thing as you’ve suggested. They’re not involved in the israeli v Iran proxy war.

    Also given the extensive jeswish intelligence network operating within Iran, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some sort of transmitter or tag that IDs the target container applied whilst still in Iran. The country is riddled with jews that have been causing havoc for 2 decades.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:48 am

    crod wrote:The country is riddled with jews that have been causing havoc for 2 decades.

    3 millennia of Jewish history in a sentence, in some 50 modern countries in total.
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    Post  nomadski Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:40 am

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QLl7V8YFw-I


    Looking at the explosions , it does look like an oil fire caused by it . Not ammo cooking off . Since we would see a shower of fire works and many shrapnel holes in containers . Therefore like previous attacks , this one was carried out ad hoc . If they hit anything , more by luck . But if they hit anything important , by design , then easy to find how  it was done . We arrange different kinds of bait , and see which one the fish likes ! So too much  talk of spies and informants is not wise and is demoralizing . Must  also rule out remote sensing methods . Recording the flight of F16 , and pleading with them will not work , unless there are non-military consequences for them , since right now little chance of shooting them down for obvious reasons . Still moving cargo fast , out of port area and providing escorts for planes on landing or take off at the critical moment as well as Russia shipping Iranian non-military supplies are things that can be done immediately .

    Edit : Another way to save cargo containers , is to disperse this cargo over large area , outside port facility for short term storage . Single containers can be stored on their own , away from other containers ! This way very difficult to do much damage to containers of baby milk !




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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:21 am

    Also given the extensive jeswish intelligence network operating within Iran, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some sort of transmitter or tag that IDs the target container applied whilst still in Iran. The country is riddled with jews that have been causing havoc for 2 decades.

    Yeah, the all powerful all seeing Juice... but if they are so competent and so capable with people everywhere you would think they would be in a much better position than they currently find themselves...

    Those damaged containers looked like the contents of someone going camping... not munitions and weapons.... a repeat of the baby milk factories being targeted to increase suffering in the region...

    @garry it’s pretty clear after years of this that the Russians will do no such thing as you’ve suggested. They’re not involved in the israeli v Iran proxy war.

    Normally I would agree with you.... but to what extent is Russia and Putin sick and tired of western bullshit... this attack used Russian aircraft as cover again putting Russian aircraft and personnel at risk again... they have a history of this and when it turns out rather bad for Russia the Israelis claim innocence and that it was all Syrias fault when they know what they did and that this was something that could happen as a result.

    I mean if terrorists dress up as women and hide in Schools and Hospitals and churches then of course these places are going to get hit occasionally and the people abusing those locations are as much to blame or more so than the ones doing the bombing.

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