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Military budget of the Russian Federation
Prince Darling- Posts : 76
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no problem in lowering funds if you improve the way those funds are being spent, which is probably a bigger problem in russia than cutting total defense spending
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Russian PM to hold session on defense spending in 2016-2018
Russia spends around 4% of its GDP on defense
MOSCOW, July 15. /TASS/. Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev will hold a meeting on defense budget spending in 2016 and 2017-2018 on Wednesday.
The governmental press service said that among participants in the meeting will be First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, presidential aide Andrey Belousov, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov, Federal Space Agency head Igor Komarov, Rosatom head Sergey Kiriyenko and representatives of other ministries and departments.
Russian President Vladimir Putin approved on Monday amendments to law on federal budget in 2015 and planned budget in 2016-2017.
On July 10, the Finance Ministry released a report proposing to optimize defense spending, saying it should not exacerbate conditions for economic growth and fulfilling other countyr’s priorities. "Taking into account the uneasy geopolitical situation, it is necessary to find the level of spending that, on the one hand, will not exacerbate conditions for economic growth and other country’s priorities, and, on the other hand, will allow to effectively solve the issue of strengthening the country’s defense capabilities," the report said.
Defense spending in Russia is more than average figures among OECD (Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development) and BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) countries. Russia spends around 4% of its GDP on defense, while other BRICS and OECD countries - around 1-2%.
Russia spends around 4% of its GDP on defense
MOSCOW, July 15. /TASS/. Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev will hold a meeting on defense budget spending in 2016 and 2017-2018 on Wednesday.
The governmental press service said that among participants in the meeting will be First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, presidential aide Andrey Belousov, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov, Federal Space Agency head Igor Komarov, Rosatom head Sergey Kiriyenko and representatives of other ministries and departments.
Russian President Vladimir Putin approved on Monday amendments to law on federal budget in 2015 and planned budget in 2016-2017.
On July 10, the Finance Ministry released a report proposing to optimize defense spending, saying it should not exacerbate conditions for economic growth and fulfilling other countyr’s priorities. "Taking into account the uneasy geopolitical situation, it is necessary to find the level of spending that, on the one hand, will not exacerbate conditions for economic growth and other country’s priorities, and, on the other hand, will allow to effectively solve the issue of strengthening the country’s defense capabilities," the report said.
Defense spending in Russia is more than average figures among OECD (Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development) and BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) countries. Russia spends around 4% of its GDP on defense, while other BRICS and OECD countries - around 1-2%.
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President of the state defense order will show a new picture
http://vpk.name/news/136089_prezidentu_pokazhut_novuyu_kartinu_gosoboronzakaza.html
http://vpk.name/news/136089_prezidentu_pokazhut_novuyu_kartinu_gosoboronzakaza.html
Russia plans to cut military spending in the next three years
The government is spending a lot of money to finance the military-industrial complex (MIC), and waiting for the appropriate return. This was said yesterday the Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev at a meeting of the costs of the defense industry. At the same time, relevant departments have already warned of reduced funding limits for the next three years. According to budget projections, spending on defense in GDP will be reduced from 4.3% to 3.1%. Economists say the worsening departmental competition for budgetary resources.
Heads of the Ministry of Defense and defense companies will report today before President Vladimir Putin on the implementation of the state defense order for the second quarter 2015. President must submit a new system of financial monitoring of the state defense order. All events will be held in a videoconference with the National Control Centre defense of the state.
Government spending "good money" to finance the state defense order, said yesterday Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev. "We are engaged in debugging mechanisms of defense procurement, and to its financing allocated amount is very significant. The state defense order was made almost 100%. This year, the appropriate goals and spent very good money, despite the very difficult situation in the financial sector. Therefore, we can expect that the money will bring the desired result, "- said Medvedev at a meeting of the costs of the defense industry in the years 2016-2018. He stressed that allowed stable financing for the past three years to completely renovate the park of weapons, and already by serial purchases.
Now the main task the defense industry - import substitution, the development of aviation and shipbuilding, electronic industry, space activities, the implementation of projects of nuclear power complex, listed prime minister. Adding, however, that the Finance Ministry has already informed the profile departments of the budgetary constraints on the 2016-2018 years.
"The budget of the complex. Before Minpromtorga, Roscosmos, the state corporation "Rosatom" and a number of other structures brought limits for the period 2016-2018 years "- said Medvedev.
Recall that according to the draft Guidelines of budgetary policy for the years 2016-2018, defense spending will be reduced quite significantly - along with the social policy of the national economy and national security. Military spending will drop from 4.3% of GDP this year to 3.1% of GDP in 2018.
The Higher School of Economics remind that after 2009 for defense spending grew rapidly and in conjunction with the cost of national security, their share in total expenditures reached a record 34% in 2015. In the next three years it is expected to decline to around 2012 levels. "To a certain extent this reduction is achieved by eliminating the indexation allowance for troops," - says the "Commentaries on the state and business," the HSE. It notes that today's increased competition for resources between social and power units defies previous support mechanisms of social stability.
At the same time the Ministry of Finance in the report on the effectiveness of budget spending on the reduction of spending on defense industry said rather vaguely. "It is necessary to determine the optimal spending on defense. The share of defense spending in Russia is higher than the average for the OECD countries and BRICS countries - more than 4% of GDP, compared with values of about 1-2% of GDP for both groups of countries. Taking into account the rather difficult geopolitical situation, you need to find a level of expenditures for these purposes, that is, on the one hand, will not worsen the conditions for economic growth, and on the other - will guarantee to strengthen the country's defense. It is necessary to achieve the highest possible return on aimed at the defense budget expenditures ", - the report says.
sepheronx- Posts : 8775
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2012 levels? According to SIPRI, 2012 spending was at $90B with Guardian saying something along the lines of $72B in 2011. So that isn't 3.1% of the GDP. Does anyone have any hard data on what Russias Def budget was in 2012?
Also, whoever keeps saying that comparing Russia's defence spending to rest of BRICS should be brought out into full public and shot. India, China, South Africa or Brazil do not rely 1/4 of their entire industrial complex to the MiC, and this is entirely Russia's fault. They should have allowed the defence companies modernize and diversify, but they didn't. So they are going to help speed up the process of increased poverty, and companies closing. Oh well, I guess Medvedev and his 5th columnist filth will go down in history as worst for Putin's time in power.
Good thing is, they are doing this over a gradual period, so it wont just drop to that amount next year but by 2018, so I imagine 2016 budget will be less than $80B, and probably be more in line with around the high $60B to low $70B. Issue is though, will this be enough to help Russia? Because let us face it, import substitution is relying heavily upon Russia's military industrial complex to purchase these goods. So with reduced spending, means less chance of import substitution will happen. And with CBR being IMF stooges themselves, the interest rates are going to help further kill funding for institutions.
So, all in all, there is going to have to be some major changes.
Also, whoever keeps saying that comparing Russia's defence spending to rest of BRICS should be brought out into full public and shot. India, China, South Africa or Brazil do not rely 1/4 of their entire industrial complex to the MiC, and this is entirely Russia's fault. They should have allowed the defence companies modernize and diversify, but they didn't. So they are going to help speed up the process of increased poverty, and companies closing. Oh well, I guess Medvedev and his 5th columnist filth will go down in history as worst for Putin's time in power.
Good thing is, they are doing this over a gradual period, so it wont just drop to that amount next year but by 2018, so I imagine 2016 budget will be less than $80B, and probably be more in line with around the high $60B to low $70B. Issue is though, will this be enough to help Russia? Because let us face it, import substitution is relying heavily upon Russia's military industrial complex to purchase these goods. So with reduced spending, means less chance of import substitution will happen. And with CBR being IMF stooges themselves, the interest rates are going to help further kill funding for institutions.
So, all in all, there is going to have to be some major changes.
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The talk of cutting from 4.3% to 3.1% is complete garbage. Russia's military spending will not be reduced to 70% of its current
levels in the next 3 years. It will keep on growing. There is no indication at all that the planned increases from year to year
are going to turn into decreases. The rate of growth will be reduced but that is it.
When I do Google searches on Russian topics of almost any sort I get a deluge of links to doomsday propaganda about how
Russian this or that is in total crisis. The subject of the military spending cuts is subjected to this same hysterical propaganda
and you can see it in this thread.
Please, people, stand back and look around. Russia's GDP is not imploding by 17% year on year like Ukraine's. There will be
growth by the 4th quarter. Why the f*ck would Russia need to slash its military budget by 30%?
levels in the next 3 years. It will keep on growing. There is no indication at all that the planned increases from year to year
are going to turn into decreases. The rate of growth will be reduced but that is it.
When I do Google searches on Russian topics of almost any sort I get a deluge of links to doomsday propaganda about how
Russian this or that is in total crisis. The subject of the military spending cuts is subjected to this same hysterical propaganda
and you can see it in this thread.
Please, people, stand back and look around. Russia's GDP is not imploding by 17% year on year like Ukraine's. There will be
growth by the 4th quarter. Why the f*ck would Russia need to slash its military budget by 30%?
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kvs wrote:The talk of cutting from 4.3% to 3.1% is complete garbage. Russia's military spending will not be reduced to 70% of its current
levels in the next 3 years. It will keep on growing. There is no indication at all that the planned increases from year to year
are going to turn into decreases. The rate of growth will be reduced but that is it.
When I do Google searches on Russian topics of almost any sort I get a deluge of links to doomsday propaganda about how
Russian this or that is in total crisis. The subject of the military spending cuts is subjected to this same hysterical propaganda
and you can see it in this thread.
Please, people, stand back and look around. Russia's GDP is not imploding by 17% year on year like Ukraine's. There will be
growth by the 4th quarter. Why the f*ck would Russia need to slash its military budget by 30%?
You are probably right, as if you look at the chart above posts, Russia spent more on military in 2008 and 2009 since previous years, when they dropped economically in GDP terms by 9%. So why would they cut now? Until there is an official statement, I wont believe it. We will find out next year.
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kvs wrote:The talk of cutting from 4.3% to 3.1% is complete garbage. Russia's military spending will not be reduced to 70% of its current
levels in the next 3 years. It will keep on growing. There is no indication at all that the planned increases from year to year
are going to turn into decreases. The rate of growth will be reduced but that is it.
When I do Google searches on Russian topics of almost any sort I get a deluge of links to doomsday propaganda about how
Russian this or that is in total crisis. The subject of the military spending cuts is subjected to this same hysterical propaganda
and you can see it in this thread.
Please, people, stand back and look around. Russia's GDP is not imploding by 17% year on year like Ukraine's. There will be
growth by the 4th quarter. Why the f*ck would Russia need to slash its military budget by 30%?
Honestly, this media BS storm feels like inverted Cold War. Back then Sovs constantly kept saying that West is collapsing economically and that they are weeks away from total chaos even though nothing could have been further from the truth.
Now you have same thing with reversed roles. Bizarre...
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kvs wrote:The talk of cutting from 4.3% to 3.1% is complete garbage. Russia's military spending will not be reduced to 70% of its current
levels in the next 3 years. It will keep on growing. There is no indication at all that the planned increases from year to year
are going to turn into decreases. The rate of growth will be reduced but that is it.
When I do Google searches on Russian topics of almost any sort I get a deluge of links to doomsday propaganda about how
Russian this or that is in total crisis. The subject of the military spending cuts is subjected to this same hysterical propaganda
and you can see it in this thread.
Please, people, stand back and look around. Russia's GDP is not imploding by 17% year on year like Ukraine's. There will be
growth by the 4th quarter. Why the f*ck would Russia need to slash its military budget by 30%?
I did a back of envelope calculations of Def Budget so far and its as below
http://www.foi.se/Documents/foir_3688.pdf
Defence Budget ( Trillion Roubles )
2011 - 1.515
2012 - 1.812
2013 - 2.106
2014 - 2.49
2015 - 3.03
Goal is to spend 23 Trillion roubles by 2020 , ~ 20 on Defence Budget/Procurement/Maintenance etc and 3 on MIC
Rough calulation shows they spent ~ 11 Trillion till 2015 , to meet the goal they need to spend ~ 12 trillion in next 5 years ( 2016-2020 ) thats around an average of 2.4 trillion roubles each year.
I think they can achieve that , because even a reduction in spending % GDP wise would get some what compensated by some growth in GDP.
I think the best option for them is to increase export , currently its at $15 billion per year , they would aim to rise it to $20 to $25 billion per year say in next 5-8 years.
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PapaDragon wrote:Now you have same thing with reversed roles. Bizarre...
Because they are reversed.
Modern Russia is conservative country whose elites wants to stay in power and make money without all the ideological baggage.
Meanwhile, USAE are blinded by their own ideology and superiority complex and unwilling to acknowledge interests of others.
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Russian lawmaker warns government against cuts in defense budget
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ExBeobachter1987 wrote:PapaDragon wrote:Now you have same thing with reversed roles. Bizarre...
Because they are reversed.
Modern Russia is conservative country whose elites wants to stay in power and make money without all the ideological baggage.
Meanwhile, USAE are blinded by their own ideology and superiority complex and unwilling to acknowledge interests of others.
+1
Very succinctly stated :-)
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George1 wrote:Russian lawmaker warns government against cuts in defense budget
I agree with this lawmaker.
Cutbacks wont solve anything but exacerbate things. While Russia will have increased poverty, they need to get these people out of it. They really need to do something that will get consumers happy again and get them spending again. Reducing budgets usually means reducing jobs, which means more poverty, which means less people spending money.
Maybe, they need to really reduce the credit rate so that it can get industry going again. What CBR is doing is destroying the economy.
With that said, if they "need" to save money, then manufacturing is where it is at. So I agree with the idea of making more Tu-160's, and stretching out PAK DA's Research and development, but not stop it at all (which they are not doing, at least not yet it seems). But they will definitely need to find an alternative to Tu-22M's. Either restart their production or start a new program/reroute PAK DA to that section. So maybe increase equipment procurement but reduce spending in other fields. Maybe scrap the idea of an Aircraft Carrier and all these other types of ships, and concentrate on 1 type of Corvette, Frigate and Destroyer (or scrap the destroyer and just go for corvette, Frigate and more submarines).
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Russia’s Defense Ministry gives up excessive types of uniforms, saves $200 mln
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I hesitate to post another western news. Nevertheless, as I share a part of this pov, -chiefly not for the same reasons- my wishes are Russia will have to dominate, with cheap, powerfull weapons like SU-35, Mig-35, T-90, AT-14 Kornet, S-60, etc...In my view, weapon like the very costly SU-50 could really hampered the ability of Russia to dominate the battlefield. I don't know much, the price of the T-14. But foxtrotalpha's questions seem to be very relevant.
Your opinions ?
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/russia-cant-afford-to-buy-its-new-super-weapons-1718368304
Your opinions ?
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/russia-cant-afford-to-buy-its-new-super-weapons-1718368304
Russia Can't Afford To Buy Its New Super Weapons
Russia may be coming to the realization that developing a high-tech weapon system is not the same as fielding it en masse, or even in relatively limited numbers. This appears to be the case for both the T-14 “Armata” tank, the T-50 5th generation fighter, and signs are possibly the PAK-DA next generation bomber.
The T-14 has been Russia’s most celebrated new weapon system as of late. Regardless of its capability (though it’s by no means a “silver bullet” weapon system), in order to be really effective it needs to be fielded in relevant numbers. Originally the idea was to replace the majority of Russia’s front-line stable of ‘legacy’ main battle tanks with the T-14, amounting to about 2,300 in total, with production ramping up in the short term.
Instead of producing thousands of the tanks over next five years or so, some analysts put the number as little as a few hundred. This is partly because the cost of the tank has ballooned to about two and half times what was originally projected. As a result, the Kremlin will likely focus on modernize existing system, such as its T-72 and T-90 tank force.
The same situation is also occurring with the Kremlin’s new stealthy fighter, the Sukhoi T-50. Originally the Russia was aiming at building about 150 T-50s by 2020, then the number was scaled back to just 52 units with the first batch entering operational service in 2016. Now, that number is being drastically scaled back once again to just 12 aircraft, which really equates to an expanded test and operational validation force at best. What’s worse is that as production numbers plummet, unit costs increase. This is what is commonly referred to in Pentagon parlance as a weapons program “Death Spiral.”
India, which has invested partially in the T-50 project (also referred to as the PAK-FA) for its own derivative of the jet, has also been less than enamored with its progress and capabilities. Not to mention that the Indian Air Force just spent billions of dollars on 36 French Rafale fighters with more almost certainly on the way.
Then there’s the fact that there are tensions between the two nations when it comes to maintaining Inida’s existing Su-30MKI fleet. Spare parts availability and engine reliability have also been of major concern when it comes to India Su-35MKIs. This, along with other major recent purchases by India of aircraft made by western aerospace manufacturers, leads many to believe that New Delhi may turn away from Russia for its military aircraft needs.
All this equates to a fighter program that may slow to snail’s pace. As such, it then blurs the lines between a very costly research and development experiment and an actually viable front-line weapon system that Russia can hang its air combat helmet on for the foreseeable future.
Finally, we get to Russia’s next-generation bomber, the PAK-DA. Recent declarations that Russia will be putting the Tu-160 Blackjack back into production may be telling as to the future bomber’s feasibility. The choice to put a Cold War era bomber, one that was highly expensive back then and will be now, while also upgrading their existing force, seems like odd choices for an air arm that supposedly has a cutting edge bomber that will be flying by the end of this decade and coming online operationally around the middle of the next.
Part of this is just a numbers game and part of it is a reality — or lack thereof — game. Russia has been hit by sanctions in a way that is directly affecting their weapons procurement strategy, there is no doubt about it. This was not planned for five years ago or more when many of these programs were being launched.
Still, the valley between what Russia says it can do economically and what it actually can do is so wide that sanctions alone can’t explain the massive slowdown in Russia’s military modernization. It’s clear that Russia is simply unrealistic when it comes to its military technology ambitions.
This is hardly an uncommon phenomenon. The Pentagon has its own woes in this regard as well, although the unraveling of so many key and trumped up programs so fast has not been seen when it comes to the U.S., even in the Department of Defense’s post sequester reality.
With all this in mind, we will probably see just enough T-14s and T-50s to participate in parades, flyovers and to spearhead military exercises, but Russia will most likely continue to fall back on procuring and updating existing conventional weaponry while drastically updating their submarine and land-based nuclear capabilities. This offers a maximum “bottom line” deterrent while also maintaining a usable and affordable conventional force. It also allows Putin and the Kremlin to continue on without losing clout with the Russian people by not having to fully cut leading-edge programs seen as a national source of pride and international competitiveness. And it allows Russia to continue to parade around these programs while actively trying to sell them to anyone with who will buy into them.
This more rationalized approach to weapons procurement is not unlike that of the Cold War. We often forget that even at the height of tensions between East and West, America had to buy the F-16 and F-15 due to budgetary limitations, and that is just one example. A high-low capability mix was a strategy of necessity as much as anything else. The same was true for the USSR to an even greater degree, where numerical advantage was chosen more over a qualitative one.
The policy of procuring an almost all gold-plated, maximum capability at seemingly any cost force is an advent of the post-Cold War military industrial complex. It remains as unrealistic as it was in the Cold War, for both the U.S. and Russia. Russia is now having to come to terms with this reality, while the U.S. is not... yet.
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Load of BS.
The T-14 is on schedule and AFAIK within budget... BTW where is the Commanche and Crusader (self propelled artillery).
Everybody re-evaluates their programmes over time and makes changes depending on the current situation.
the current economic situation with sanctions against Russia of course they would be stupid to keep spending like there were not economic problems... that would just be dumb to expect them to keep on full speed ahead with every single programme.... even the west dramatically scaled back production numbers of the F-22 and B-2 because the situation they were designed for no longer existed at the time.
The fact that the Russians even have a stealth fighter approaching production alone says it is on a level beyond the vast majority of the west... only the US has achieved that so far with western countries buying off the shelf instead of having the technology to make their own.
they will likely be building a few thousand Armata based vehicles... it makes no sense at all to make 24 armata tanks because armata tanks have to operate with other armata vehicles.
You don't just put armata tanks in a current unit in place of the T-90s... that would just be dumb.
These experts I suspect are economic experts or just dumb as shit when it comes to military equipment.
And the last comment is amusing... the US sells medium weight transport aircraft for half a billion dollars each is in no position to be compared with Russia... the T-14 will likely be much cheaper than the M1A3 Abrams and while it wont be produced in such numbers neither will anything.
Today, one MiG-29SMT upgraded aircraft can perform the roles of the MiG-21, MiG-23, MiG-27, and Su-17/-20/-22 and it could actually do a much better job than any of them.
A MiG-35 with 5 wing pylons and one centreline pylon could carry 10 long range AAMs, which is the equivalent to 2.5-5 MiG-23s in terms of BVR missiles (depending on whether the MiG-23 has 2 or 4 R-23s or R-24s). Not only that but the ground air defence network the MiG-335 will be able to access will also be rather more capable too, so while the Soviets had thousands of Floggers, it wont need nearly as many MiG-35s and other modern aircraft.
The difference is even more dramatic with ships and subs.
The T-14 is on schedule and AFAIK within budget... BTW where is the Commanche and Crusader (self propelled artillery).
Everybody re-evaluates their programmes over time and makes changes depending on the current situation.
the current economic situation with sanctions against Russia of course they would be stupid to keep spending like there were not economic problems... that would just be dumb to expect them to keep on full speed ahead with every single programme.... even the west dramatically scaled back production numbers of the F-22 and B-2 because the situation they were designed for no longer existed at the time.
The fact that the Russians even have a stealth fighter approaching production alone says it is on a level beyond the vast majority of the west... only the US has achieved that so far with western countries buying off the shelf instead of having the technology to make their own.
they will likely be building a few thousand Armata based vehicles... it makes no sense at all to make 24 armata tanks because armata tanks have to operate with other armata vehicles.
You don't just put armata tanks in a current unit in place of the T-90s... that would just be dumb.
These experts I suspect are economic experts or just dumb as shit when it comes to military equipment.
And the last comment is amusing... the US sells medium weight transport aircraft for half a billion dollars each is in no position to be compared with Russia... the T-14 will likely be much cheaper than the M1A3 Abrams and while it wont be produced in such numbers neither will anything.
Today, one MiG-29SMT upgraded aircraft can perform the roles of the MiG-21, MiG-23, MiG-27, and Su-17/-20/-22 and it could actually do a much better job than any of them.
A MiG-35 with 5 wing pylons and one centreline pylon could carry 10 long range AAMs, which is the equivalent to 2.5-5 MiG-23s in terms of BVR missiles (depending on whether the MiG-23 has 2 or 4 R-23s or R-24s). Not only that but the ground air defence network the MiG-335 will be able to access will also be rather more capable too, so while the Soviets had thousands of Floggers, it wont need nearly as many MiG-35s and other modern aircraft.
The difference is even more dramatic with ships and subs.
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Not a single f*cking budget number in the whole article. I am sick and tired of reading "journalist" excrement
about subjects that require hard figures but have only opinion fluff instead.
If you stand back and evaluate this spam of western "journalism" you will see nothing but wishful thinking and
projection. It's a severe psychological pathology that taints all western thought and makes the west extremely
dangerous.
about subjects that require hard figures but have only opinion fluff instead.
If you stand back and evaluate this spam of western "journalism" you will see nothing but wishful thinking and
projection. It's a severe psychological pathology that taints all western thought and makes the west extremely
dangerous.
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kvs wrote:Not a single f*cking budget number in the whole article. I am sick and tired of reading "journalist" excrement
about subjects that require hard figures but have only opinion fluff instead.
If you stand back and evaluate this spam of western "journalism" you will see nothing but wishful thinking and
projection. It's a severe psychological pathology that taints all western thought and makes the west extremely
dangerous.
I always find it funny reading Western urine-yellow journalism articles about what Russia can't afford, while they always manage to reluctantly mention Russia's Debt-to-GDP % ratio. I wonder why...
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As said to GarryB over the calibre renewal, Russia has dat money on budget to have three times the number of Armata hulls when push comes to shove and still not give a single F.U.C.K. What they did was largely a publicity stunt (see we care about the crisis) since the oil money isn't going anywhere soon and the whole ruble crash even favours the Budget.
What is more problematic is some components that need purchasing from Pure Democratic West for direct comparison, which will come through a third party anyway.
What is more problematic is some components that need purchasing from Pure Democratic West for direct comparison, which will come through a third party anyway.
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http://tass.ru/en/economy/817608
So SAP 2020 will stick to the agreed initial budget when it started, but SAP2025 has been postponed till better economic conditions.
I imagine if Russia continues on its retarded approach of playing by western financial rules, there will never be a good indicator. So they will have no choice but to abandon such practices or deal with having a much smaller military procurement plan. Initially, they wanted 55 trillion roubles for defense spending. That is a lot. More than what is even possibly needed. I say, keep it relarively low, like 10 trillion roubles and use the rest that was invisioned to be used as a sap program but for civil development.
So SAP 2020 will stick to the agreed initial budget when it started, but SAP2025 has been postponed till better economic conditions.
I imagine if Russia continues on its retarded approach of playing by western financial rules, there will never be a good indicator. So they will have no choice but to abandon such practices or deal with having a much smaller military procurement plan. Initially, they wanted 55 trillion roubles for defense spending. That is a lot. More than what is even possibly needed. I say, keep it relarively low, like 10 trillion roubles and use the rest that was invisioned to be used as a sap program but for civil development.
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http://m.ria.ru/defense_safety/20150831/1219099192.html?rubric=defense_safety
Apparently there is a new financial instructions put into place for funding of procurement/enterprises. Forces communication as well as transparency in terms funding. The banks are chosen as well by the government that the enterprises must open an account with.
Apparently there is a new financial instructions put into place for funding of procurement/enterprises. Forces communication as well as transparency in terms funding. The banks are chosen as well by the government that the enterprises must open an account with.
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Russia's military spending in 2016 will be reduced by 225 billion rubles
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George1 wrote:Russia's military spending in 2016 will be reduced by 225 billion rubles
that sounds big, so i guess more delays in arms procurement
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Project Canada wrote:George1 wrote:Russia's military spending in 2016 will be reduced by 225 billion rubles
that sounds big, so i guess more delays in arms procurement
In relation to GDP expenditure section "National Defense" in 2016 up 3.7 percent. Share of total expenditures of the federal budget in comparison with 2015 (20.1%) decrease and reach 18.3 per cent. The budget appropriations in 2016 under the section "National defense" is planned in the amount of 2886 197 900 000. Rubles.
The budget appropriations in 2016 compared to the level of 2015 decreased by 225 414.7 million. Rubles, including by reducing the budget appropriations for: - current maintenance of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the amount of 56 044.6 million. Rubles; - Implementation budget investments in special military and the Defense Ministry of Russia in the amount of 104 549.3 million. rubles. The volume of budget appropriations compared to the amount approved by the Law № 384-FZ, decreasing by 227 010.8 million. rubles. Changes in the volume of budget appropriations, due to common approaches to the formation of the draft federal budget, compared to the amount approved by the Law № 384-FZ, reduced expenses 155 354 800 000. rubles. Along with the general approach to the formation of the draft federal budget, to change the cost of that section had an impact: increase budget allocations for: - current maintenance of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the amount of 16 297.8 million. rubles - compensation payments to servicemen and civilian personnel of the Russian Defense Ministry in the amount of 1 739.8 million. rubles, previously provided for in the framework of the State Enterprise "Social support citizens ", - the construction of a double-track electrified railway section Zhuravka-Millerovo in the amount of 170.9 million. rubles, a decrease in budget allocations for: - the implementation of budgetary investments into special and military Ministry of Defense of Russia in the amount of 5 618.4 million. rubles. - the transfer of powers and abolished Rosoboronzakaz Rosoboronpostavki in the amount of 391.3 million. rubles other federal bodies of executive power. The budget appropriations reserved in the formation of the draft federal budget for 2016, under section "National Defense" was 5 051.2 million. rubles and will be used to: - meet the obligations assumed under the Treaty in the implementation of military-technical cooperation, as well as for activities relating to the completion of military products, delivered from the presence in the military-technical cooperation, reimbursement Russian Ministry of Defense related to the performance of work under the contracts concluded with JSC "Russian Railways" in the amount of 4 889.4 million. rubles - to ensure the activities of federal executive bodies in connection with the transfer of powers uprazdennoy Rosoboronpostavki in the amount of 161.8 million. rubles.
No. Nothing like that. It is $3.4B in dollar terms reduction. SAP2020 was agreed upon already by ministry of finance and the rest of being $300B. Issue is that no SAP2025 was agreed upon and was frozen so chances are, there wont be any decisions on future SAP till 2020 when this one is over while 2025 was an increase + extension of SAP2020.
Seems that cuts are most in certain maintenance and reduction in payments (this makes some sense since Russian servicemen are some of the best paid in the country in terms of state run systems).
http://tass.ru/en/economy/817608
They have been planning a reduction for sometime. But SAP 2020 is still ongoing. Don't worry about procurement. What I worry about is about the little things like the special forces/services that are getting a huge portion of the cut.
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So budget is 2.88 Trillion Rouble for 2016, To reach Planned expenditure of 23 trillion Rouble by 2020
they need to spend 2.30 trillion rouble each year for 2017 ,18,19,20
they need to spend 2.30 trillion rouble each year for 2017 ,18,19,20
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So they could....... drop the budget even more by 2017 to exactly 2.3T Rubles and keep it at that rate for 18 19 and 20.Austin wrote:So budget is 2.88 Trillion Rouble for 2016, To reach Planned expenditure of 23 trillion Rouble by 2020
they need to spend 2.30 trillion rouble each year for 2017 ,18,19,20
Dont say it too loud though, maybe Russian finance MoD is reading the forums? lol.
I imagine next SAP (2025/2027) may end up being smaller or the same as this one. Roughly $300B for procurements to meet the remaining demand of modernization and investments. After modernization is complete, there will probably be a new form of modernization but much smaller where SAP's afterwards may be smaller (maybe $200B or less). As SAP's are different than the overall defense budget but added in to total figures.
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