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    Russia - Vietnam Military Deals

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:43 am

    It probably includes an inflated amount for the Ukrainian engines to entice the Ukrainians to join the deal... doubt it will work though...
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:48 am

    Isos wrote:400 million $ for a Gepard ?! I would never buy it for more than 100 million $, if not less. For such price they can get a brand new Grigorovitch with much better capabilities and real air def systems.


    Well the previous contracts for gepard class was with Zelenodolsk shipyard, and i believe they cannot produce ships of the grigorovich class, also because they are an inland shipyard and they are limited by the internal waterways...the same company that controls Zelenodolsk shipyard also controls the large shipyard in Kerch, Zaliv (where in Soviet times many frigates were built)but if there is a faint chance that the Ukrainians would deliver engines for a ship made somewhere in Russia for export... there is exactly no chance that they would give the engines for something built in Crimea...

    Anyway,  how i was writing in the other thread, it is not correct that Russia is not developing gas turbine engines for smaller ships...

    In addition to the 27500 hp M90FR marine gas turbine, Saturn has already developed the smaller M75RU (7000 hp) and M70FRU (14000 hp) engines.


    However, as said before for the grigorovich frigates, adapting an existing design to a different power plant is worth only if they want to continue with it for a long time...

    Gepard class are nice cheap ships, but they are not comparable to other more modern classes of russian corvettes and frigates. If they have to partially redesign them to allow them to use the new powerplant it won't be cheap and easy anymore...better then to start with something new, e.g develop antisub version of 22160 (that has a similar size as Gepard class, maybe a bit smaller) armed also with UKSK launchers.

    If the ukraine would decide that in order to spite Russia they do not want to earn easy money and keep a few industries survive a bit longer, than Russia could propose Vietnam an export version of 20380/20385 with UKSK launchers (since they have the domestic kolomna diesel engines),  however they are bigger and more expensive ships than gepard class... but seeing the prices here i don't  know what to think...
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    Post  Isos on Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:04 am

    Stop with Ukraine. Ukraine is not responsible for everything wrong in Russia.

    This price has nothing to do with Ukraine. For such price Vietnam could even ask a nuclear propulsion.

    That's a pathetic move from Russian corrupted shipyards. Vietnam will never buy them, specially that the first two pairs of Gepard they bought costed them someting like 120 million per ship.

    They could see Vietnam turning its eyes on European ships and that would be fair game.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:41 am

    Vietnam will never buy them,

    Well that would solve the problem too...
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:13 pm

    Isos wrote:Stop with Ukraine. Ukraine is not responsible for everything wrong in Russia.

    This price has nothing to do with Ukraine. For such price Vietnam could even ask a nuclear propulsion.

    That's a pathetic move from Russian corrupted shipyards. Vietnam will never buy them, specially that the first two pairs of Gepard they bought costed them someting like 120 million per ship.

    They could see Vietnam turning its eyes on European ships and that would be fair game.

    It is possible that the price in the article was fully wrong, and had no reference to reality...


    Anyway, Vietnam wants a relatively cheap and capable , even if not fully modern, ship in short time. Russia would like to make easy  money and give work to shipyards and suppliers.

    If they have to wait for a new modern alternative based on Russian propulsion they would have to wait more time.... and anyway there are delays even in the delivery of russian diesel power plants for Russian ships (more problems with Zvezda diesels, apparently less issues with Columna engines delivery)...

    Gepard class (and grigorovich) were designed to be powered by powerplants made by Zorya mashproekt in the Ukraine. That company now has much less orders, and has capacity to produce them (in addition it would go to a third state, so even the crazy politicians cannot claim that it will directly reinforce the russian navy) and deliver them in an acceptable timeframe.

    It was just pragmatic... a sort of win win for everyone...

    But possibly the ukrainian politicians prefer to renounce to a good contract, let the company close and lay off the workers, than to help Russia win a lucrative contract...

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