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    Post  max steel on Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:29 am

    But still if you look at Market share US has 29% meanwhile Russia has 27% followed by China at 3rd place pipping Germany with 7-8% International weapons market share.


    I've shared it already in How Russia+China catching to US thread.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:22 am

    It's simple. USA has cordial relations with a number of developed countries which can spend more on arms. Think only theor NATO allies
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    Post  Backinblack on Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:09 am

    New analytics of 2015 arms trade. Russia on 2-nd position

    http://mil.today/2015/Weapons14/
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    Post  Austin on Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:13 pm

    Russia’s Current Arms Export Contracts Portfolio Totals Over $54 Billion

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    SANTIAGO (Sputnik) – Russia’s arms export contracts portfolio is currently estimated at $54 billion, the deputy head of the Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation said.

    "In regard to the contracts portfolio, as of today it is more than $54 billion," Anatoly Punchuk told RIA Novosti in an interview on the sidelines of an arms exhibition in Chile.
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    Post  George1 on Thu May 19, 2016 12:36 am

    Russia to receive $14 bln from miltary hardware export in 2016 — official

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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:51 pm

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has added information on government policies in the area of military-technical cooperation with foreign countries to the list of state secrets, according to a decree posted on Tuesday of the government's legal information website.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The document assigns the responsibility for managing such information to the Foreign Ministry, the Defense Ministry and the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation.

    According to the new decree, "the unauthorized and premature dissemination of information on certain actions aimed at the implementation of government policies in the sphere of military-technical cooperation could harm Russia's national security."


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    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:52 am

    Russia signs export defense contracts worth over $9 bln in 2016

    Russia signed 18 international agreements in the sphere of military and technical cooperation

    MOSCOW, April 11. /TASS/. Russia signed export defense contracts worth over $9 billion last year, Director of the Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation Dmitry Shugayev said on Tuesday.

    "Russian contractors engaged in military and technical cooperation signed contracts worth over $9 billion in 2016," Shugayev said as he spoke in the Russian Foreign Ministry’s Diplomatic Academy on the topic: "Russia’s Military and Technical Cooperation with Foreign Countries."

    In 2016, 55 sessions of inter-governmental commissions, committees and working groups on the issues of military and technical cooperation with Russia’s foreign partners were held, he added.

    The work to develop comprehensive post-warranty services for supplied arms and also to set up and re-equip maintenance centers on the territory of foreign customers is an important area of military and technical cooperation, he noted.

    "Today this is an essential requirement set to the producers and suppliers of military products," he said.
    18 international agreements

    Russia signed 18 international agreements in the sphere of military and technical cooperation last year, according to Shugayev.

    "In 2016, 18 international agreements in the sphere of military and technical cooperation were signed and the deliveries of Russian military products to 52 countries were made while the number of our partners in the field of military and technical cooperation exceeds a hundred of states," Shugayev said.

    Shugayev noted that Europe was number four on the list of Russian military export recipients in 2016, while Asian countries held first place.

    "On the 2016 list of the world’s regions that receive Russia’s military export products Asia was number one with 53%, Africa, second with 42%, North and South America with 3% and Europe 2%," Shugayev said.

    Contacts with the Philippines were on the ascent.

    "The Philippines has taken interest in various Russian weapon systems, armored vehicles, firearms, helicopters and naval technologies in the first place. This market looks promising to Russian providers," Shugayev said.


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    Post  par far on Sun May 21, 2017 3:34 pm

    With the US signing a $400+ Billion arms contract with Saudi Arabia, there will be a shit load of money will be going in the coffers of the US arms industry. Does this mean that the US will leave Russia behind in the Arms race? Why cannot Russia ever get a contract like that? Is it safe to say that the US is ahead of Russia in the arms race?(which just sucks.)

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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun May 21, 2017 4:20 pm

    Are you really this dense? I'm curious of what your age is. Please tell us.

    First off, no $400B is being spent on arms by Saudi Arabia. Second, it is always been a scratch your back and you scratch mine between those two states.a

    And what does selling weapons to another state have to do with an arms race? Do you even know what that term even means?
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    Post  Isos on Sun May 21, 2017 4:23 pm

    par far wrote:With the US signing a $400+ Billion arms contract with Saudi Arabia, there will be a shit load of money will be going in the coffers of the US arms industry. Does this mean that the US will leave Russia behind in the Arms race? Why cannot Russia ever get a contract like that? Is it safe to say that the US is ahead of Russia in the arms race?(which just sucks.)


    It's 100 billion for arms and the rest is for civilian projects. Saudia arabia always buy from US and they pay lot for not that much. This money will probably be invest in saudi's oïl and then they will buy arms again and US will buy oïl ...

    Those who buy US weapons don't really have the choice. Like Japan, South corea, SA, they threaten them to not help them against North corea, Iran and china if they don't buy their stuff. They sell them for a much higher price than the true cost (F-15SA is around 150 million $ while the basic F-15 was 30 million$ ).
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun May 21, 2017 4:34 pm

    Isos wrote:
    par far wrote:With the US signing a $400+ Billion arms contract with Saudi Arabia, there will be a shit load of money will be going in the coffers of the US arms industry. Does this mean that the US will leave Russia behind in the Arms race? Why cannot Russia ever get a contract like that? Is it safe to say that the US is ahead of Russia in the arms race?(which just sucks.)


    It's 100 billion for arms and the rest is for civilian projects. Saudia arabia always buy from US and they pay lot for not that much. This money will probably be invest in saudi's oïl and then they will buy arms again and US will buy oïl ...

    Those who buy US weapons don't really have the choice. Like Japan, South corea, SA, they threaten them to not help them against North corea, Iran and china if they don't buy their stuff. They sell them for a much higher price than the true cost (F-15SA is around 150 million $ while the basic F-15 was 30 million$ ).

    to add to this, Saudi Arabia is getting its ass handed to it in Yemen so there is a ton of equipment needing replacement. But ISOS is right, the cost of US equipment to Saudi Arabia is extortion prices. They get some decent equipment at prices that are out of this world. But let them blow all that money. They have to borrow a lot already just to survive the low oil prices as is.
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    Post  par far on Sun May 21, 2017 4:39 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Are you really this dense? I'm curious of what your age is. Please tell us.

    First off, no $400B is being spent on arms by Saudi Arabia. Second, it is always been a scratch your back and you scratch mine between those two states.a

    And what does selling weapons to another state have to do with an arms race? Do you even know what that term even means?


    I honestly all the $400 Billion were on arms and by arms race, I meant that the US will have more money to spent on arms research and development.


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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun May 21, 2017 4:41 pm

    Its $100B and US prints money to oblivion. What ends up happening instead is that everything becomes over inflated in costs.
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    Post  par far on Sun May 21, 2017 4:41 pm

    Isos wrote:
    par far wrote:With the US signing a $400+ Billion arms contract with Saudi Arabia, there will be a shit load of money will be going in the coffers of the US arms industry. Does this mean that the US will leave Russia behind in the Arms race? Why cannot Russia ever get a contract like that? Is it safe to say that the US is ahead of Russia in the arms race?(which just sucks.)


    It's 100 billion for arms and the rest is for civilian projects. Saudia arabia always buy from US and they pay lot for not that much. This money will probably be invest in saudi's oïl and then they will buy arms again and US will buy oïl ...

    Those who buy US weapons don't really have the choice. Like Japan, South corea, SA, they threaten them to not help them against North corea, Iran and china if they don't buy their stuff. They sell them for a much higher price than the true cost (F-15SA is around 150 million $ while the basic F-15 was 30 million$ ).


    This set's everything straight but the thing is if Russia had signed something with Iran, west would throw a huge hissy fit and talk of sanctions would be the top news(this pisses me off.)

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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun May 21, 2017 4:46 pm

    Why would you care? Russia really doesn't care what the west says or wants. In the real world, people let the dogs bark but the caravan always moves on.

    As for Iran and projects, Iran isn't Russia's ally or friend. Just have some mutual interests. Iran has chance to buy SSJ-100 but they opted to purchase jets they couldn't before hand and may not be able to buy spares in the future because of sanctions. If Iran was stupid enough for that, then...

    Even Russia is seeking to sell stuff to Saudi Arabia and other middle eastern countries with some success (Joint project with UAE for a fifth Gen MiG).

    Funny how Iran is. It is a lot like Israel. Both hate each other but both are the same - not worthy of an alliance with anyone and out for themselves.
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    Post  par far on Sun May 21, 2017 4:53 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Why would you care? Russia really doesn't care what the west says or wants. In the real world, people let the dogs bark but the caravan always moves on.

    As for Iran and projects, Iran isn't Russia's ally or friend. Just have some mutual interests. Iran has chance to buy SSJ-100 but they opted to purchase jets they couldn't before hand and may not be able to buy spares in the future because of sanctions. If Iran was stupid enough for that, then...

    Even Russia is seeking to sell stuff to Saudi Arabia and other middle eastern countries with some success (Joint project with UAE for a fifth Gen MiG).

    Funny how Iran is. It is a lot like Israel. Both hate each other but both are the same - not worthy of an alliance with anyone and out for themselves.


    I was talking more about the arms contracts, as for the buying the jets, I think Iran is just trying to buy influence in these countries by supporting the big companies, which they will likely get brunt by. I think they will end up buying SSJ-100 in the end(they will buy more than a few of the SSJ-100.) But Russia also supported sanctions on Iran in 2007.

    The bolded Part I kind of agree with but with Iran, they won't use and abuse you like Israel does to most of it's allies but they do look after #1 first.


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    Post  Isos on Sun May 21, 2017 4:55 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Why would you care? Russia really doesn't care what the west says or wants. In the real world, people let the dogs bark but the caravan always moves on.

    As for Iran and projects, Iran isn't Russia's ally or friend. Just have some mutual interests. Iran has chance to buy SSJ-100 but they opted to purchase jets they couldn't before hand and may not be able to buy spares in the future because of sanctions. If Iran was stupid enough for that, then...

    Even Russia is seeking to sell stuff to Saudi Arabia and other middle eastern countries with some success (Joint project with UAE for a fifth Gen MiG).

    Funny how Iran is. It is a lot like Israel. Both hate each other but both are the same - not worthy of an alliance with anyone and out for themselves.

    Both Russia and Iran don't really need an alliance with the other. In the 70s they were ennemies. But once the sanction are done (Russia don't want a nuclear Iran too) they will probably try to sell some Sukhois. Russia has also radars scanning the iranian airspace, many here think that if you have US as an enemy you become bestfriend. That's not the reality.

    For the relation between US and SA, it's totaly different from a scenario of Russia selling arms to Iran. Like I said the money between them will always go in the US then in SA then USA ... While Russia just want to sell it most of the time without offsets.

    I've watched a documentry about the SA king family coming in Paris and they left without paying the hotel ... the money will go always in USA.
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    Post  par far on Sun May 21, 2017 4:59 pm

    Isos wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Why would you care? Russia really doesn't care what the west says or wants. In the real world, people let the dogs bark but the caravan always moves on.

    As for Iran and projects, Iran isn't Russia's ally or friend. Just have some mutual interests. Iran has chance to buy SSJ-100 but they opted to purchase jets they couldn't before hand and may not be able to buy spares in the future because of sanctions. If Iran was stupid enough for that, then...

    Even Russia is seeking to sell stuff to Saudi Arabia and other middle eastern countries with some success (Joint project with UAE for a fifth Gen MiG).

    Funny how Iran is. It is a lot like Israel. Both hate each other but both are the same - not worthy of an alliance with anyone and out for themselves.

    Both Russia and Iran don't really need an alliance with the other. In the 70s they were ennemies. But once the sanction are done (Russia don't want a nuclear Iran too) they will probably try to sell some Sukhois. Russia has also radars scanning the iranian airspace, many here think that if you have US as an enemy you become bestfriend. That's not the reality.

    For the relation between US and SA, it's totaly different from a scenario of Russia selling arms to Iran. Like I said the money between them will always go in the US then in SA then USA ... While Russia just want to sell it most of the time without offsets.

    I've watched a documentry about the SA king family coming in Paris and they left without paying the hotel ...  the money will go always in USA.


    I have no idea how the US does this and get's a way with it, it is amazing LOL.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun May 21, 2017 5:02 pm

    Saudi Arabia has something like $800B stashed away in the USA as investments. That is a lot of money. In some terms, enough to cause a huge crisis in the US banking and currency system if Saudi pulls it.

    So Saudi Arabia has a grip on US testies. So of course US will support them and vice versa.
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    Post  Isos on Sun May 21, 2017 5:09 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Saudi Arabia has something like $800B stashed away in the USA as investments. That is a lot of money. In some terms, enough to cause a huge crisis in the US banking and currency system if Saudi pulls it.

    So Saudi Arabia has a grip on US testies.  So of course US will support them and vice versa.


    lol! They will bring peace in SA before it happens ...


    I have no idea how the US does this and get's a way with it, it is amazing LOL.

    I exagerated but the the relation betwen them is too powerfull to break it.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun May 21, 2017 5:19 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Saudi Arabia has something like $800B stashed away in the USA as investments. That is a lot of money. In some terms, enough to cause a huge crisis in the US banking and currency system if Saudi pulls it.

    So Saudi Arabia has a grip on US testies.  So of course US will support them and vice versa.

    If the money sits in US oil, then it actually makes KSA hostage of the US. They can't withdraw that cash at will, even within a year. That money is only making more money for the US, the longer it sits there. If it were the case of KSA of holding US bonds in KSA, you'd be right.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun May 21, 2017 5:24 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Saudi Arabia has something like $800B stashed away in the USA as investments. That is a lot of money. In some terms, enough to cause a huge crisis in the US banking and currency system if Saudi pulls it.

    So Saudi Arabia has a grip on US testies.  So of course US will support them and vice versa.

    If the money sits in US oil, then it actually makes KSA hostage of the US. They can't withdraw that cash at will, even within a year. That money is only making more money for the US, the longer it sits there. If it were the case of KSA of holding US bonds in KSA, you'd be right.

    I am not sure were all of the money Saudi Arabia has invested in US sits. All I know is they used it as a threat multiple of times in recent past.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun May 21, 2017 5:27 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
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    miketheterrible wrote:Saudi Arabia has something like $800B stashed away in the USA as investments. That is a lot of money. In some terms, enough to cause a huge crisis in the US banking and currency system if Saudi pulls it.

    So Saudi Arabia has a grip on US testies.  So of course US will support them and vice versa.

    If the money sits in US oil, then it actually makes KSA hostage of the US. They can't withdraw that cash at will, even within a year. That money is only making more money for the US, the longer it sits there. If it were the case of KSA of holding US bonds in KSA, you'd be right.

    I am not sure were all of the money Saudi Arabia has invested in US sits. All I know is they used it as a threat multiple of times in recent past.

    I'm just going by the Iranian example where they got tens of billions frozen internationally at US's will.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun May 21, 2017 5:30 pm

    The amount Iran had was significantly smaller. But yeah, that was a risk. But since the US had everyone sanction Iran, they all were willing to take that risk and nothing Iran could have done.

    Saudis have more money to bribe almost anyone to blow them.

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