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    Russia-Azerbaijan relations and deals

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:00 pm

    Azerbaijan has a right to be angry but to be frank, they and their state media should keep their mouths shut, along with their little theories such as 'plane was refused landing and sent to Kazakhstan in the hopes of it crashing into the Caspian' - until Russia can conclude an internal investigation and make the results public.

    It's not a matter of prestige or whatever, and although it was an Azeri airlines flight I'm more than sure that most casualties were Russian citizens - I don't see all that many Azeris going to Chechnya on holiday yet there are enough Chechens who live in Azerbaijan. If the Russian military is at fault, as it presently appears to be, then I'm sure that this will be admitted when deemed appropriate and all according compensation and apologies issued.

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:47 pm

    At least Azerbaijan is being level headed about it.

    Most of the hysterics is from third parties. So yeah.

    There are of course lots of people in Azerbaijan threatening Russia and making stupid statements, but Azerbaijan was flying during time Ukraine was attacking. So they got themselves to blame too.

    That said, say the truth, give compensation and let Azerbaijan make the next move. If they refuse, then you know where their allegiance is and work actively against them.
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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Dec 28, 2024 4:26 pm

    https://rbcru.turbopages.org/rbc.ru/s/politics/28/12/2024/676ff0fa9a794766bc140751

    Putin apologized to Aliyev for the incident with the AZAL plane

    Vladimir Putin called Ilham Aliyev and apologized for the tragic incident. He noted that the plane was landing amid Ukrainian drone attacks on cities in the North Caucasus.
    During a conversation with Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev, President Vladimir Putin apologized for the fact that the tragic incident with the AZAL plane occurred in Russian airspace, the Kremlin reports.

    The leaders discussed the situation during a call initiated by the Russian side.

    “Vladimir Putin apologized for the fact that the tragic incident occurred in Russian airspace, and once again expressed his deep and sincere condolences to the families of the victims, and wished a speedy recovery to the injured,” the Kremlin said in a statement.

    The Kremlin noted that the Azerbaijani plane attempted to land at the Grozny airport several times. “At that time, Grozny, Mozdok, and Vladikavkaz were attacked by Ukrainian combat unmanned aerial vehicles, and Russian air defense systems repelled these attacks,” the statement said.

    The Investigative Committee opened a criminal case under the article on violation of traffic safety rules and operation of air transport (Article 263 of the Criminal Code); civilian and military specialists are being questioned.
    Two employees of the Azerbaijani Prosecutor General's Office, together with representatives of the Investigative Committee and the Prosecutor General's Office of Russia, are working together in Grozny. In Aktau, where the plane crashed, the relevant agencies are also cooperating, the Kremlin noted.

    The plane crashed three days ago, on December 25. It was flying from Baku to Grozny, and twice unsuccessfully tried to land at the Chechen airport due to fog and poor visibility, as well as the "Carpet Plan," which requires the immediate landing or removal of all aircraft in the air from a certain area, Rosaviatsia reported. Of the 67 people on board, 38 died, including seven Russians.

    AZAL called the cause "physical and technical external interference," and the Azerbaijani Ministry of Transport also reported "external interference."

    The day after the plane crash, presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov was asked to comment on the versions of the plane crash.  In response, he reminded that any aviation incident is subject to investigation by specialized agencies, and called for not “building any hypotheses” until the investigation is complete. “And we, of course, cannot do this, and no one should do this – we need to wait until this investigation is complete,” Peskov added.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Jan 09, 2025 8:58 pm

    Now Aliyev unhappy about " zangezoor, " corridor ? What is the solution to this fractured Caucasus territory of mini-states ? The worst case is the military or heavy handed social engineering or intervention that disturbs the delicate balance of the eco- system . The best is allowing the entire Caucasus region to remain a protected area , in order to become fully integrated internally .

    So I came about a plan that allowed this . And the Azeris mentioned a plan of integration . This meant investment in the entire region and especially border regions to allow growth of multi -cultural mixed towns . A homogeneous environment . The integration of the entire Caucasian territory into an independent unitary country . Distinct from Turkey or Iran or Russia .

    But this needs the constructive input by bigger surrounding states . There can be no sectarianism or tribalism or expansionism . It is no good to support one group and enable expansionism by one against another . This upsetting the balance of power , and creating a choke point for other regional neighbourhood , and encouraging separatism by empowering one group against another .

    Yet this is what Turkish policy will lead to . Should the R.Azer join Turkey and become one , then this will lead to Azeris in Iran doing the same ! Iran will disintegrate by a bloody civil war . Turkey will be destroyed by a war with Iran . Pan - Turkism as applied to modern Asian states brings civil war and separatism . Even if Iran captured R.Azer , and joined it with Iranian Azerbaijan , a thing wanted by many Azeris on both sides of the border , still the Azeris will not be in a minority in Iran . They will be a large minority or small majority against the Persian speakers .

    The country will be divided , as there will be no overall majority to decide the spoken language . Civil war will start , with Azerbaijan declaring independence . Iran will disintegrate and Turkey will be drawn in and destroyed . Pan - Iranist as applied to Asian states , will bring civil war .

    Therefore to avoid such destruction , the Caucasus must remain an independent territory , to develop into independent state  with it's own culture and language , different from Iran or Turkey or Russia . Russia is best placed to bring about a protected eco-system and an economic and political environment conducive to peace and progress . Failing this Iran is better placed to ensure this , providing it does not fall into the trap of sectarianism , pan-Iranism etc . Turkey has shown , especially recently by it's example in Syria , that it will make everything worse . It will destroy the Caucasus , Iran and Turkey itself , through expansionism , sectarianism , extremism and being a foreign NATO stooge .

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 09, 2025 9:28 pm

    So I came about a plan that allowed this . And the Azeris mentioned a plan of integration . This meant investment in the entire region and especially border regions to allow growth of multi -cultural mixed towns . A homogeneous environment . The integration of the entire Caucasian territory into an independent unitary country . Distinct from Turkey or Iran or Russia .

    In other words throw money at us and make us rich and we can live together... that does not always work because the wealth and money don't always get evenly or fairly distributed...

    Plus the question of whose money?

    Should it come from Iraq or Russia or Turkey... and what are they going to expect from that money?

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