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    Iraq turns its eye on Russian weapons

    Viktor
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:48 am

    JohninMK wrote:
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    Eventually it will happen but the process will be gradual. US needs to pour lots of ressources into a country they are not welcomed anymore so it could have its ways for no obvious

    gain as they matrix of value commands and to Iran now after US "liberation" it is a friendly neighbouring state where stronger relation are a function of personal relations and time

    unlike billions and billions of $ and threats and blackmail and so Smile

    Iraq has stated that it wants a long range air defense system that is not western produced so independence from west is what is its primarily objective here. Iraq also views Russia

    as its ally as it already saved Bagdad once by being over run by ISIS by flamethrower supply from its own stash or China from where Iraq is viewed in near term as next in line in its

    one road one belt project so it awaits with lots of cash ready to invest.
    The problem as I understand it is that the money that Iraq receives for its oil is in $ and paid into its account in the US. That is also where much of Iraq's 'savings' are as well. The US has already threatened to offset that money (steal) if Iraq does not toe the line. Until Iraq's revenues are paid and held in Baghdad it has a problem.

    Even at the peak of the ISIS war the US was very reluctant to deliver the F-16s that had already been paid for and even now restrict their weapon load. They are still dependent on the US for support to keep them in the air. If they go ahead with the S-400 purchase all hell will break loose. Iraq will have the power of the $ rammed down their throats.

    On top of that oil revenues, due to lack of demand and low price, are dropping so where are they going to get the money from? They will need everything they can get their hands on to feed and generally keep their population quiet.

    This is not the right moment to be pulling the tigers tail. Very macho but stupid.

    No. Every time is the right time for nation sovereignty. You can not know what will do other people so succumb to fear wrong. You need to do what you need to do and than

    someone else will do something else based upon which you will than do something else otherwise you are just doing nothing and from nothing nothing arises. Its just stupid

    because other nations will recognize that simple pattern and in no time you will end up being the dead man at the wheel along with your nation.

    If a nation leads an independent policy for the benefit of its own people it needs control of its money its army its borders its people its laws ect because those are the means which

    ensure their prosperity.

    Also business with the thief will cause damage to US by multiple order of magnitude more

    than the simple gain of Iraq money theft and besides if your country is being blackmailed with that money so it regains control over you at all time what will you do? Arent you

    "liberated" ?

    What would you do if the bank where you have your money said that from now on you can only do what she tells you to do instead what you think you should do or there will be

    no money?

    If Iraq rejects submission and pushes throw with the idea of sovereignty as is reported with the S-400 decision means it has already made its mind with the path it has chosen

    and now thinks about difficulties it will handle.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:02 am

    Would be interesting from an Iraqi perspective to have a quick count up of US owned assets in the country before they try anything drastic, but it is likely things will come to a head at some stage anyway because US interests seem to be nothing like Iraqi interests.

    I am no expert on the situation but the Iraqi government seemed rather pissed off at both the Americans and the Iranians when they were tit for tatting on Iraqi soil in their last little spat... because it seemed as though Iraqis were more often than not the victims... certainly from the clumsy american counter strokes...

    Iraq buying S-400 systems is interesting... I think it might be useful to go for used S-300s freed up in Russia with the introduction of the S-350... they could possibly get some bargains there with the promise that some time in the future they will upgrade with S-400s, and also that they will spend money on creating an IADS with Russian help... the way the Russians helped the Syrians.

    An S-300 system with an IADS that ties in existing weapon systems and commands would be infinitely more valuable than 2 or 4 S-400 batteries scattered around the place...

    Adding links to the Syrian government system and the Iranian system for mutual support and to prevent real accidents would be interesting and useful for all parties, though with the US there it might be viewed with suspicion in Iran and Syria as a way for the US to infiltrate their system of course so that might have to wait till they are gone.

    The Americans might not say a word because it would be enormously valuable for them to see how a real land based IADS works... Twisted Evil russia
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:30 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Iraq buying S-400 systems is interesting... I think it might be useful to go for used S-300s freed up in Russia with the introduction of the S-350... they could possibly get some bargains there with the promise that some time in the future they will upgrade with S-400s, and also that they will spend money on creating an IADS with Russian help... the way the Russians helped the Syrians.

    An S-300 system with an IADS that ties in existing weapon systems and commands would be infinitely more valuable than 2 or 4 S-400 batteries scattered around the place...
    Also S-300 could be sold by the US Gov to Congress and others as an old obsolescent S/H system rather than the red rag shinny new state of the art S-400 that is upsetting the US around the world. A quick lick of paint, new tyres, load the Syrian software and Bobs your uncle.

    As you say, cheaper so more could be bought and the same as the existing, and being lived with, Syrian and Iranian systems.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:13 pm

    Plus of course when they get back control of their oil sales it would be much easier to pull out old components and replace them with new ones from the S-400 system... they can use up the oldest missiles in tests and exercises and eventually go from old missiles to newer more capable ones...

    But as you mention it is a balancing act... they have to pick when to rock the boat and when to appear to be nice...
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:47 pm

    Yup, the difference between a stiletto at midnight and a battleaxe at midday.

    Plus the US could sell it as them forcing the Iraqis to buy obsolete old Russian cast offs, as they couldn't afford the shinny new US wonder SAMs and were very successfully blocked from buying the S-400.

    We will just have to see how subtle the Iraqis can be.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:35 am

    They will have to tread carefully and pick the right moment... sadly if Trump was a bit smarter and less easy to manipulate, he might have been able to follow through with his election promises to bring the troops home from places that might get them killed, yet do nothing to improve the safety and protection of the USA.

    I am sure a soldier is most likely prepared to die to save his country and friends and family... not sure they want to risk life and limb so the super rich families in America can become slightly richer...

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