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    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:24 pm

    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:http://tass.com/world/991466


    its almost certain that Iraq will receive S-400s.

    excellent! Russia-Iraqi relations remind Al-Qasem era! russia

    What about their airforce ? Do they plan to get some sukhois too ? It would be more usefull for them to have fighters instead of s-400. The cyclone "US freedom" already touched them badly twice I don't think there will be a third US attack so s-400 are not helpfull. 2 or 3 squadron of su-35 and 3 or 4 Nebo radar are more suited for them.

    Su-30 and Su-24M2 with gefest is enough for Iraq maybe some mig -29M2. And upgrade it's Su-25 to SM3. Possibly some armed yak-130 Could bolster it's L-159.

    1 squadron of Su -30SM
    1 squadron of Su -24M2
    1 squadron of mig -29M2
    Su-25 upgraded to SM3
    Some additional armed yak -130 and armed scout such as ansat 2RC. Add this to their current F-16, L-159 cessna 208, T6 Texan, gazelles, mi-28, and mi-35. You have a capable airforce enough for iraqi needs. Couple that with the potential purchase of S-400 and the pantsir and avenger that they have already and possibly buy some Buk and your done. The iraqi's need more ground attack that air defence and interceptor there isn't a massive threat from the air so what I've mentioned above I think is enough.

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    Post  Isos on Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:02 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:http://tass.com/world/991466


    its almost certain that Iraq will receive S-400s.

    excellent! Russia-Iraqi relations remind Al-Qasem era! russia

    What about their airforce ? Do they plan to get some sukhois too ? It would be more usefull for them to have fighters instead of s-400. The cyclone "US freedom" already touched them badly twice I don't think there will be a third US attack so s-400 are not helpfull. 2 or 3 squadron of su-35 and 3 or 4 Nebo radar are more suited for them.

    Su-30 and Su-24M2 with gefest is enough for Iraq maybe some mig -29M2. And upgrade it's Su-25 to SM3. Possibly some armed yak-130 Could bolster it's L-159.

    1 squadron of Su -30SM
    1 squadron of Su -24M2
    1 squadron of mig -29M2
    Su-25 upgraded to SM3
    Some additional armed yak -130 and armed scout such as ansat 2RC. Add this to their current F-16, L-159 cessna 208, T6 Texan,  gazelles, mi-28, and mi-35. You have a capable airforce enough for iraqi needs. Couple that with the potential purchase of S-400 and the pantsir and avenger that they have already and possibly buy some Buk and your done. The iraqi's need more ground attack that air defence and interceptor there isn't a massive threat from the air so what I've mentioned above I think is enough.


    1 S-400 is 500 millions dollars. They can't go for both air defence and fighters. USA have took all their money, the country is totally democratized (i.e destroyed) and the official organs of the government are totally corrupted.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:01 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:http://tass.com/world/991466


    its almost certain that Iraq will receive S-400s.

    excellent! Russia-Iraqi relations remind Al-Qasem era! russia

    What about their airforce ? Do they plan to get some sukhois too ? It would be more usefull for them to have fighters instead of s-400. The cyclone "US freedom" already touched them badly twice I don't think there will be a third US attack so s-400 are not helpfull. 2 or 3 squadron of su-35 and 3 or 4 Nebo radar are more suited for them.

    Su-30 and Su-24M2 with gefest is enough for Iraq maybe some mig -29M2. And upgrade it's Su-25 to SM3. Possibly some armed yak-130 Could bolster it's L-159.

    1 squadron of Su -30SM
    1 squadron of Su -24M2
    1 squadron of mig -29M2
    Su-25 upgraded to SM3
    Some additional armed yak -130 and armed scout such as ansat 2RC. Add this to their current F-16, L-159 cessna 208, T6 Texan,  gazelles, mi-28, and mi-35. You have a capable airforce enough for iraqi needs. Couple that with the potential purchase of S-400 and the pantsir and avenger that they have already and possibly buy some Buk and your done. The iraqi's need more ground attack that air defence and interceptor there isn't a massive threat from the air so what I've mentioned above I think is enough.


    You forgot about the FA-50s they have.

    so their fleet is something like:
    34x F16b52 (supplied with 20,000 LGBs! - but no amraam)
    24x FA-50s (which are compatible with above LGBs)
    12x L-159s (using dumb bombs only as of now, but capable of firing some mavericks)
    5x AC-208s (with about 5000x Hellfires)
    24x SU-25s (unguided rockets and bombs)

    in addition they have army aviation with the following armed helicopters:
    25x Mi35M
    15x Mi28Ne / UB
    27x EC-635
    45x IA-407
    70x Mi17 / 171
    12x CH-4B UCAVs

    so they're pretty comfortable with the "attack" assets.

    what they lack is air defence.

    Within that context they'd need the ability to have 2 interceptors at the 5 operational sectors. (10x interceptors available at any one time)
    To achieve that, they'd need about 24 new fighter interceptors at a minimum.

    In addition at least one Long range SAM battery at each sector.

    So:
    24x SU-35
    5x S-400 batteries
    5x Russian origin long range radars

    about $6Bn or so in total?
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    Post  Isos on Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:28 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:[
    So:
    24x SU-35
    5x S-400 batteries
    5x Russian origin long range radars

    about $6Bn or so in total?

    Much more with equipment and training ...I didn't know they had f-16 without air to air capabilities. How much did USA made them pay ? It wouldn't surprise me if it was 20 or 30 billion ...
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    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:28 pm

    MiG-35 would be ideal for Iraq
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    Post  medo on Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:46 pm

    George1 wrote:MiG-35 would be ideal for Iraq

    Agree. Iraq should buy 50 MiG-35 like Egypt did, together with R-77-1 missiles. MiG-35 would be for air defense role and F-16 for ground attack role.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:16 pm

    MiG35 could work. It depends really. I don't think they need 50 aircraft though. That's way beyond their budget.

    If they get 36 aircraft split into 2 squadrons. and have detachments of 4x per Sector Operations Command it could work.
    So 20 aircraft operational in the sectors.
    16 aircraft at the "main operating base".

    That way they can maintain either CAP or Alert with 2 jets guaranteed per sector 24x7. Which would be the bare minimum for air defence.

    The idea being that 2 jets will be ready to intercept intruders at the border from the nearby forward base, and additional jets can be scrambled from central Iraq in the meantime


    In the past the layout was as follows:
    MiG21 / MiG23 / Mirage-F1 "point defence" interceptors strewn around forward bases.
    MiG25 in Central Iraq - as the "strategic backup"



    So if the Iraqis want to recreate a similar scenario:
    F-16IQ / MiG35 as "point defence" interceptors from forward bases
    SU-35 or MiG31 or SU-57 From Baghdad as "strategic Backup"


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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:22 pm

    Isos wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:[
    So:
    24x SU-35
    5x S-400 batteries
    5x Russian origin long range radars

    about $6Bn or so in total?

    Much more with equipment and training ...I didn't know they had f-16 without air to air capabilities. How much did USA made them pay ? It wouldn't surprise me if it was 20 or 30 billion ...

    The great thing about Russian equipment and training is that its "normally priced" and "rational"... for example Iraqis maintain their VK-2500 engines and associated helicopters (Mi171sh / Mi35M / Mi28Ne), similar for their SU-25s... meanwhile simple things like the Cessna Caravan result in getting gouged by the US who deliberately undertrain Iraqis to maintain control over operations.

    Iraq paid about $8Bn for 36x F-16s including training and 20 years support. They came with 36x designator / EO pods, Recon Pods, ECM pods etc...
    The US donated 20,000 LGBs to the Iraqis as well as 5000 HELLFIREs though.

    The case being, Iraqis pay inflated prices for US equipment... and US gives "aid" in support. But keeps the Iraqis ignorant about the systems and tied in to the US to keep the aircraft flying.

    Same story with Abrams...
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    Post  Isos on Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:47 pm

    I just though about something. USA won't really let Iraq get S-400 because they could detect Israeli bombers in case they try to bomb Iran. Iraq is now kinda close to Iran and its unlikely they don't help them against sionists who spend last 20 years to destroy their country.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:03 pm

    Russia to equip Iraqi armored brigade

    Iraq is Russia's traditional partner, presidential aide for military and technical cooperation Vladimir Kozhin noted

    MOSCOW, March 12. /TASS/. Russia is supplying equipment to one of Iraqi armored brigades, presidential aide for military and technical cooperation Vladimir Kozhin said on Monday.

    "Iraq is our traditional partner and it has been boosting its potential by ordering our equipment. Today we are equipping there an entire armored brigade, our equipment is supplied there," Kozhin told the Rossiya 24 TV channel.

    Iraqi Chief of General Staff Osman Ganimi said on February 20 that Iraq’s Defense Ministry had received the first batch of 36 T-90 S tanks under a military contract with Russia. By late April, the country will receive another 37 vehicles as part of the contract with the aim of "increasing combat capacity of armored troops."


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/993528
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:16 pm

    George1 wrote:Russia to equip Iraqi armored brigade

    Iraq is Russia's traditional partner, presidential aide for military and technical cooperation Vladimir Kozhin noted

    MOSCOW, March 12. /TASS/. Russia is supplying equipment to one of Iraqi armored brigades, presidential aide for military and technical cooperation Vladimir Kozhin said on Monday.

    "Iraq is our traditional partner and it has been boosting its potential by ordering our equipment. Today we are equipping there an entire armored brigade, our equipment is supplied there," Kozhin told the Rossiya 24 TV channel.

    Iraqi Chief of General Staff Osman Ganimi said on February 20 that Iraq’s Defense Ministry had received the first batch of 36 T-90 S tanks under a military contract with Russia. By late April, the country will receive another 37 vehicles as part of the contract with the aim of "increasing combat capacity of armored troops."


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/993528

    Just T-90 or other vehicles I remember there was a rumour of bmp-3
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    Post  dino00 on Wed May 15, 2019 2:05 pm

    Iraq to purchase Russia's S-400 missile systems

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1058382
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed May 15, 2019 2:14 pm

    dino00 wrote:Iraq to purchase Russia's S-400 missile systems

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1058382

    Suspect Suspect Suspect Suspect Suspect
    Clearly someone else is paying for this, so they can get access to this system.
    Russia would best not do this, unless they want to compromise all their allies.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed May 15, 2019 2:55 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Iraq to purchase Russia's S-400 missile systems

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1058382

    Suspect Suspect Suspect Suspect Suspect
    Clearly someone else is paying for this, so they can get access to this system.
    Russia would best not do this, unless they want to compromise all their allies.

    It won't.

    The way it's designed, as they said, they could sell to the US and it won't compromise. Signals frequency and friend or for info won't be the same thus won't compromise anything.
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    Post  dino00 on Wed May 15, 2019 9:20 pm

    IRAQ Yet To Make Decision On Purchase Of S-400 From Russia - Ambassador

    "There is no information that there are talks or that talks are at some stage ... If the government decides to buy these systems, it will be Iraq's sovereign affair and will depend on its needs".

    https://www.urdupoint.com/en/world/iraq-yet-to-make-decision-on-purchase-of-s-40-622117.html

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu May 16, 2019 3:39 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Iraq to purchase Russia's S-400 missile systems

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1058382

    Suspect Suspect Suspect Suspect Suspect
    Clearly someone else is paying for this, so they can get access to this system.
    Russia would best not do this, unless they want to compromise all their allies.

    You've been here on this forum long enough to know better:

    1.) Iraq is aligned with who? Iran, which is aligned with Russia and China.

    2.) Robosexport was willing to sell even to the Saudi's, which means they've taken plenty of measures. Besides for all we know later model domestic S-400's maybe closer to S-500, but it'll never be advertised. NATO still struggles with even Slovakian S-300pmu's (comparable to the ancient S-300ps, its even the export version).
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    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:06 pm

    The second batch of BMP-3 has been delivered to Iraq

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    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:11 pm

    Russia completes 1st stage of delivering T-90S main battle tanks to Iraq
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    Post  Isos on Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:25 am


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    Wall Street Journal: Iraqi government decides to go ahead with negotiations with Russia to buy S-400 defense system
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    Post  Isos on Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:40 pm


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    #UPDATE: Iraq’s Ambassador in Tehran: We are negotiating with Russia to buy the S-300 air defence system
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    Post  Viktor on Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:18 pm

    Isos wrote:
    ELINT News
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    #UPDATE: Iraq’s Ambassador in Tehran: We are negotiating with Russia to buy the S-300 air defence system

    A worthy step. Iraq road towards independence.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:05 pm

    Iraq submits request to purchase Russian S-400 system despite US threats


    The Parliamentary Security and Defence Committee of Iraq submitted a detailed study requesting the purchase of Russian long-range, surface-to-air S-400 missile defence systems for the consideration of the country’s caretaker prime minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi on 18 April.

    “The issue has already been discussed with relevant figures at the General Command of Armed Forces, and now awaits the prime minister’s agreement,” committee member Badr al-Ziyadi was quoted as saying by the Arabic-language newspaper al-Sabaah.

    As he underscored the country’s need to enhance its defence capabilities, the parliamentarian explained that the acquisition of the S-400 missile system could be finalised after ratification of the deal by the new government that succeeds the current caretaker one, adding his parliamentary committee “will support the next Iraqi government’s decisions in this regard, and will present relevant proposals and pieces of advice to it”

    “The approval to acquire such a sophisticated system requires large financial allocations and a political decision in order to diversify the sources to get the weapons as we cannot just rely on the Western camp, but rather need to incline towards the Eastern camp as well,” said Ziyadi.

    In a number of previous instances, the Iraqi lawmaker had gone on record as voicing concerns over attempts to pressure Baghdad to forgo signing arms contracts with other states.

    Thus, last month the Iraqi lawmaker had revealed that US and Israeli arms companies were urging his government to refrain from negotiating the purchase of sophisticated military equipment with other countries.

    “There are companies and traders pushing to prevent Iraq from concluding contracts to purchase weapons from developed countries,” he was cited by the Arabic-language al-Maalomah news agency as saying on 18 March.

    Earlier, on 20 January, Badr al-Ziyadi said Baghdad, in a bid to boost its security from any possible aggression, was mulling dispatching delegations to a number of countries to negotiate the procurement of advanced air defence missile systems.

    “The delegations intend to visit countries like Russia, China and Ukraine to negotiate the purchase of modern systems to protect Iraq’s airspace… The Iraqi parliament is right now forming a joint executive and legislative delegation to visit developed countries and sign contracts on procuring advanced weapons,” al-Sabaah daily quoted the official as saying.

    Baghdad has been considering buying Russian S-400 missile systems as concerns mount that Washington might withdraw support for Iraq, the Wall Street Journal quoted Karim Elaiwi, a member of the Iraqi parliament’s Security and Defence Committee as saying in January 2020.

    “We are talking to Russia about the S-400 missiles but no contracts have been signed yet. We need to get these missiles, especially after Americans have disappointed us many times by not helping us in getting proper weapons,” said Elaiwi.

    The move was confirmed by Abdul Khaleq al-Azzawi, another Iraqi parliament defence committee member, who said:

    “We authorised the [Iraqi] Prime Minister to get air defence weapons from any country he wants and we authorised him to spend the money for it, from any country. From Russia or anyone.”

    The Iraqi moves came amid heightened tensions between Iraq and Washington that were exacerbated after the American military on 3 January launched a drone attack that killed Iranian General Qassem Soleimani, the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ elite Quds Force, near Baghdad International Airport.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iraq-submits-request-to-purchase-russian-s-400-system-despite-us-threats/
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:18 pm

    George1 wrote:

    Iraq submits request to purchase Russian S-400 system despite US threats




    The Parliamentary Security and Defence Committee of Iraq submitted a detailed study requesting the purchase of Russian long-range, surface-to-air S-400 missile defence systems for the consideration of the country’s caretaker prime minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi on 18 April.

    “The issue has already been discussed with relevant figures at the General Command of Armed Forces, and now awaits the prime minister’s agreement,” committee member Badr al-Ziyadi was quoted as saying by the Arabic-language newspaper al-Sabaah.

    As he underscored the country’s need to enhance its defence capabilities, the parliamentarian explained that the acquisition of the S-400 missile system could be finalised after ratification of the deal by the new government that succeeds the current caretaker one, adding his parliamentary committee “will support the next Iraqi government’s decisions in this regard, and will present relevant proposals and pieces of advice to it”

    “The approval to acquire such a sophisticated system requires large financial allocations and a political decision in order to diversify the sources to get the weapons as we cannot just rely on the Western camp, but rather need to incline towards the Eastern camp as well,” said Ziyadi.

    In a number of previous instances, the Iraqi lawmaker had gone on record as voicing concerns over attempts to pressure Baghdad to forgo signing arms contracts with other states.

    Thus, last month the Iraqi lawmaker had revealed that US and Israeli arms companies were urging his government to refrain from negotiating the purchase of sophisticated military equipment with other countries.

    “There are companies and traders pushing to prevent Iraq from concluding contracts to purchase weapons from developed countries,” he was cited by the Arabic-language al-Maalomah news agency as saying on 18 March.

    Earlier, on 20 January, Badr al-Ziyadi said Baghdad, in a bid to boost its security from any possible aggression, was mulling dispatching delegations to a number of countries to negotiate the procurement of advanced air defence missile systems.

    “The delegations intend to visit countries like Russia, China and Ukraine to negotiate the purchase of modern systems to protect Iraq’s airspace… The Iraqi parliament is right now forming a joint executive and legislative delegation to visit developed countries and sign contracts on procuring advanced weapons,” al-Sabaah daily quoted the official as saying.

    Baghdad has been considering buying Russian S-400 missile systems as concerns mount that Washington might withdraw support for Iraq, the Wall Street Journal quoted Karim Elaiwi, a member of the Iraqi parliament’s Security and Defence Committee as saying in January 2020.

    “We are talking to Russia about the S-400 missiles but no contracts have been signed yet. We need to get these missiles, especially after Americans have disappointed us many times by not helping us in getting proper weapons,” said Elaiwi.

    The move was confirmed by Abdul Khaleq al-Azzawi, another Iraqi parliament defence committee member, who said:

    “We authorised the [Iraqi] Prime Minister to get air defence weapons from any country he wants and we authorised him to spend the money for it, from any country. From Russia or anyone.”

    The Iraqi moves came amid heightened tensions between Iraq and Washington that were exacerbated after the American military on 3 January launched a drone attack that killed Iranian General Qassem Soleimani, the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ elite Quds Force, near Baghdad International Airport.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iraq-submits-request-to-purchase-russian-s-400-system-despite-us-threats/

    What is the Pentagon gonna do? They're already occupying Iraq, they have no influence on Iran so there's no reason from the Persians to prevent the transfer of S-400's through the Caspian Sea. Do they straight up attack parliament, proving that their imperialist cowards? That would mean the gloves are off on the personnel stationed in Iraq. What will likely happen is that they'll have combined IAD with Iran, and give them the option to respectfully bow out and walk away without an incident.
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:05 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    George1 wrote:

    Iraq submits request to purchase Russian S-400 system despite US threats





    The Parliamentary Security and Defence Committee of Iraq submitted a detailed study requesting the purchase of Russian long-range, surface-to-air S-400 missile defence systems for the consideration of the country’s caretaker prime minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi on 18 April.

    “The issue has already been discussed with relevant figures at the General Command of Armed Forces, and now awaits the prime minister’s agreement,” committee member Badr al-Ziyadi was quoted as saying by the Arabic-language newspaper al-Sabaah.

    As he underscored the country’s need to enhance its defence capabilities, the parliamentarian explained that the acquisition of the S-400 missile system could be finalised after ratification of the deal by the new government that succeeds the current caretaker one, adding his parliamentary committee “will support the next Iraqi government’s decisions in this regard, and will present relevant proposals and pieces of advice to it”

    “The approval to acquire such a sophisticated system requires large financial allocations and a political decision in order to diversify the sources to get the weapons as we cannot just rely on the Western camp, but rather need to incline towards the Eastern camp as well,” said Ziyadi.

    In a number of previous instances, the Iraqi lawmaker had gone on record as voicing concerns over attempts to pressure Baghdad to forgo signing arms contracts with other states.

    Thus, last month the Iraqi lawmaker had revealed that US and Israeli arms companies were urging his government to refrain from negotiating the purchase of sophisticated military equipment with other countries.

    “There are companies and traders pushing to prevent Iraq from concluding contracts to purchase weapons from developed countries,” he was cited by the Arabic-language al-Maalomah news agency as saying on 18 March.

    Earlier, on 20 January, Badr al-Ziyadi said Baghdad, in a bid to boost its security from any possible aggression, was mulling dispatching delegations to a number of countries to negotiate the procurement of advanced air defence missile systems.

    “The delegations intend to visit countries like Russia, China and Ukraine to negotiate the purchase of modern systems to protect Iraq’s airspace… The Iraqi parliament is right now forming a joint executive and legislative delegation to visit developed countries and sign contracts on procuring advanced weapons,” al-Sabaah daily quoted the official as saying.

    Baghdad has been considering buying Russian S-400 missile systems as concerns mount that Washington might withdraw support for Iraq, the Wall Street Journal quoted Karim Elaiwi, a member of the Iraqi parliament’s Security and Defence Committee as saying in January 2020.

    “We are talking to Russia about the S-400 missiles but no contracts have been signed yet. We need to get these missiles, especially after Americans have disappointed us many times by not helping us in getting proper weapons,” said Elaiwi.

    The move was confirmed by Abdul Khaleq al-Azzawi, another Iraqi parliament defence committee member, who said:

    “We authorised the [Iraqi] Prime Minister to get air defence weapons from any country he wants and we authorised him to spend the money for it, from any country. From Russia or anyone.”

    The Iraqi moves came amid heightened tensions between Iraq and Washington that were exacerbated after the American military on 3 January launched a drone attack that killed Iranian General Qassem Soleimani, the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ elite Quds Force, near Baghdad International Airport.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iraq-submits-request-to-purchase-russian-s-400-system-despite-us-threats/

    What is the Pentagon gonna do? They're already occupying Iraq, they have no influence on Iran so there's no reason from the Persians to prevent the transfer of S-400's through the Caspian Sea. Do they straight up attack parliament, proving that their imperialist cowards? That would mean the gloves are off on the personnel stationed in Iraq. What will likely happen is that they'll have combined IAD with Iran, and give them the option to respectfully bow out and walk away without an incident.

    Eventually it will happen but the process will be gradual. US needs to pour lots of ressources into a country they are not welcomed anymore so it could have its ways for no obvious

    gain as they matrix of value commands and to Iran now after US "liberation" it is a friendly neighbouring state where stronger relation are a function of personal relations and time

    unlike billions and billions of $ and threats and blackmail and so Smile

    Iraq has stated that it wants a long range air defense system that is not western produced so independence from west is what is its primarily objective here. Iraq also views Russia

    as its ally as it already saved Bagdad once by being over run by ISIS by flamethrower supply from its own stash or China from where Iraq is viewed in near term as next in line in its

    one road one belt project so it awaits with lots of cash ready to invest.
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:30 am

    Viktor wrote:
    Eventually it will happen but the process will be gradual. US needs to pour lots of ressources into a country they are not welcomed anymore so it could have its ways for no obvious

    gain as they matrix of value commands and to Iran now after US "liberation" it is a friendly neighbouring state where stronger relation are a function of personal relations and time

    unlike billions and billions of $ and threats and blackmail and so Smile

    Iraq has stated that it wants a long range air defense system that is not western produced so independence from west is what is its primarily objective here. Iraq also views Russia

    as its ally as it already saved Bagdad once by being over run by ISIS by flamethrower supply from its own stash or China from where Iraq is viewed in near term as next in line in its

    one road one belt project so it awaits with lots of cash ready to invest.
    The problem as I understand it is that the money that Iraq receives for its oil is in $ and paid into its account in the US. That is also where much of Iraq's 'savings' are as well. The US has already threatened to offset that money (steal) if Iraq does not toe the line. Until Iraq's revenues are paid and held in Baghdad it has a problem.

    Even at the peak of the ISIS war the US was very reluctant to deliver the F-16s that had already been paid for and even now restrict their weapon load. They are still dependent on the US for support to keep them in the air. If they go ahead with the S-400 purchase all hell will break loose. Iraq will have the power of the $ rammed down their throats.

    On top of that oil revenues, due to lack of demand and low price, are dropping so where are they going to get the money from? They will need everything they can get their hands on to feed and generally keep their population quiet.

    This is not the right moment to be pulling the tigers tail. Very macho but stupid.

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