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    U.S Military encirclement of China

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu May 06, 2021 11:02 am

    Not directly related to the US and irrelevant to military, but, well...

    https://www.rt.com/news/522941-new-zealand-china-uighur-genocide-western-allies/

    New Zealand refuses to accuse China of genocide against Uighurs in break with Western allies

    The New Zealand parliament has expressed ‘grave concern’ about China’s alleged treatment of Uighur Muslims but, in a break from its Five Eyes spy network partners, the government has refused to call it a genocide.
    The divide between New Zealand and its Western partners was outlined during a parliamentary session on Wednesday, as politicians unanimously backed a motion expressing “grave concern” about allegations of human rights violations against Uighur Muslims.

    The declaration only managed to secure the support of MPs after Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s left-wing Labor Party ensured the motion contained no reference to claims of a genocidal act by Beijing against the minority group, claims that are accepted by some of New Zealand’s closest allies.

    Three members of the Five Eyes intelligence alliance, Canada, the United Kingdom and the United States have directly claimed that China’s behavior towards Uighurs in Xinjiang province constitutes genocide but, so far, Australia and New Zealand have cautiously refused to go that far.

    China’s embassy in New Zealand has not commented on the motion passed by parliament but, previously, Beijing has strongly refuted claims of a genocide or even mistreatment of Uighurs.

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    Post  GarryB Fri May 07, 2021 11:49 am

    New Zealand has a history of not so wonderful behaviour.... we even had a chinaman tax to stop gold prospectors from China from bringing their families here... we are hardly in a position to tell other countries what they should be doing.

    I am sure if China wants our advice they will ask us... otherwise it is none of our business...

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    Post  par far Fri May 07, 2021 10:07 pm

    I wonder what army the US will send to "encircle" China, hopefully it is not this army. LOL

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    Post  andalusia Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:28 pm

    This is a good article about China studying the mistakes of Japan in WWII : https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-learning-battle-changed-course-130406313.html
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    Post  lancelot Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:04 pm

    Having Japanese battleships to provide air defense would not have been that helpful. Japanese anti-air weapons on ships weren't that effective and they had no radar guidance on them.
    The US had radar guidance on anti air weapons on ships and they also had more advanced fire control on main guns than all but the largest Japanese ships.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:19 am

    Getting the orders being sent out to the troops before the actual enemy troops receive them is a serious advantage in any conflict... even if they make sure their comms and HQs are secure would be an enormous advantage over the Japs.
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    Post  kvs Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:40 pm



    What fecking hypersonic missiles are these lunatics going on about? They expect them to pop into existence?

    China can deploy hypersonic missiles too. The lunatics in Washington are now totally detached from reality.

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    Post  par far Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:28 pm

    America defeated by people wearing scandal's and with old AKM rifles, they have not had their ass kicked enough, if they think they can take on a army almost with same capabilities than they are detached from reality.

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    Post  par far Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:34 pm

    Chinese and Russian militaries are start to use each others weapons to familiarize with each others weapon system.



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    Post  kvs Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:40 am



    The US is acting just like Nazi Germany, guzzling its own propaganda koolaid assuming that it is the chosen nation that can
    dictate to the planet how to live. Japan is indeed just cannon fodder. Japanese government officials have been making
    insane threats against Russia over the Kurile islands. Russia has threatened military retaliation both against Japanese
    and US forces on Japanese soil. The US is clearly instigating the Taiwanese and the Japanese to act this way.

    As for the why the US is so obsessed with China, that is because for the US it is a zero sum game. China is displacing
    the US in global trade. It is helping to liberate countries around the world from the US colonial plantation through fair
    investment and trade. The US simply has not way to fight this without military means, including regime change subversion.
    The US has no superior economic model which to follow. The vaunted US standard of living (exaggerated beyond any
    sanity) is all trickle down from the looting of the planet by its elites. This trickle down is going to attenuate exponentially
    without the colonial spice flow. In fact, it is already doing just that and that is driving the social instability in the USA.
    But you will never see this reality in any of the fake stream media coverage.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:27 pm

    Washington Tightens the Noose around China in new Cold War of Encirclement
    https://www.juancole.com/2022/01/washington-tightens-encirclement.html
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    Post  George1 Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:10 pm

    The US Navy has shown off several men-of-war accompanied by dozens of jets taking during drills with its Japanese allies in the Philippine Sea amid persistent tensions with China. Beijing conducted its own stunt by performing a flyby of 39 aircraft near Taiwan on Sunday

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:44 am

    If anyone has any doubt what poseidon is for, well there it is

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    Post  sundoesntrise Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:25 am

    https://www.hoover.org/events/china-eve-winter-olympics-hard-choices-worlds-democracies

    George Soros had his panties in a twist - yet again - over CHY-NAH. People have probably seen short segments of the video conference by now - but for those who haven't a quick resume. Basically György Schwartz calls Xi the biggest threat the 'Open Societies'. Accuses Xi of turning back the clock and rooting out his fifth column (Deng Xiaoping/Jiang Zemin (globalists) / Bo Xilai-Bo GuaGua (hardleft Marxists). Labels 2022 a vital year in the clash between 'open' and 'closed' societies. He also critizes China's zero Covid policy and states that Omicron might very well become Xi's downfall.

    The entire conference can be seen in the link above. Soros' speech starts at 7.45.

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    Post  kvs Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:43 pm

    Soros acts as if he is the actual leader of the collective west. And by all appearances he is at the very least authorized to act this way
    by the true deciders running the kabuki theater.

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    Post  calripson Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:58 pm

    It is not too hard to figure out the reality behind the myth of the brave Jewish boy from Hungary pulling himself up from the bootstraps and making his way to a self-enlightened freedom promoting billionaire.

    Soros is intimately connected to the City of London power structure. Now, for the less financially savvy, there is only one actual commodity with value in the capital markets casino and that commodity is information. No one is in a better position to capitalize on information than intelligence agencies. (Maybe the NSA should set up a hedge fund? 10,000% returns a year for eternity). Soros just so happened to make his bones by "guessing" correctly what future Bank of England policy would be. Hmm. Convenient.

    It has also been an historic trend for intelligence agencies to "outsource" propaganda to give it legitimacy and distance. Commonly referred to as "cutouts". Soros devoted much of his wealth to promoting 1980s style regime change in the USSR and former communist countries as allegedly a private citizen "do-gooder." More recently, he has devoted his time to undermining populist and supposedly anti-globalist candidates like Trump and by actively funding BLM, local district attorneys who fail to prosecute rioters, ect. Now he evidently has decided to focus on "freeing China".

    Much like in the Wizard of Oz, the guy behind the curtain never willingly shows himself. Hence, Soros is not the guy behind the curtain. He is the public face of the guys (and girls) behind the curtain.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:28 am

    Guys behind the scenes have been known for years but the majority refuses to take notice.

    We have all heard about the families that are behind the central banking system + the nobility/old money that got conflated with them. György Schwartz is nouveau riche compared to them.

    Full interview here. My favorite philanthropist's part starts at 7:45



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    Post  kvs Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:04 pm

    NATzO is authoritarian and actually closer to the totalitarian ideal. The vast majority of the NATzO citizens drink the Orwellian propaganda
    Kool-Aid like God's nectar. That some fringe is not part of the herd means nothing.

    Look at the US mass media, including Fox News, coverage of Ukraine. Stenography and fake rebroadcasting utterly detached from reality.
    This is not "mistakes" this is hard core 1984 level two minutes' hate spew.

    I know for a fact that even in the USSR before 1980s the population did not drink the Kool-Aid like the average NATzO citizen laps it up
    and relishes it with gusto. I am quite sure that China is very similar even with all of the state information filtering.

    It would be nice to live in a world of real freedom, but this world is clearly a fictional ideal. Nowhere on this planet, particularly in the
    self-anointed "free world" of NATzO, is this ideal achieved.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:02 am

    HATO, or more accurately the US used every weapon at its disposal to start the war in the Ukraine... knowing Russian and European history, that would be Nazis, Bio weapons and Nukes, and they used them all to achieve their aims... careful what you wish for...

    So far they have been attacking Russia and Russian responses have made Russia more independent and stronger, well now this attack has made Russia realise its future is not with the west at all and it is going to have to get together with the rest of the world to carve a new future for themselves that does not involve the US or the west.

    Ironically this is actually all good for Russia... not so good for the west... when they work it out perhaps there will be trials for the Bushes and Clintons and Obamas and Bidens... but I doubt it.

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    Post  andalusia Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:30 am

    The US and its allies are working on Hypersonic missiles to counter China; Should China be concerned?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-uk-and-australia-to-develop-hypersonic-missiles-185327718.html
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    Post  andalusia Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:08 am

    What do you guys think of the US carrier commanders who say they are well protected against Chinese and Russian hypersonic cruise missiles?

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-aircraft-carriers-arent-little-teacups-their-captains-say-2022-4
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    Post  kvs Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:18 am

    andalusia wrote:What do you guys think of the US carrier commanders who say they are well protected against Chinese and Russian hypersonic cruise missiles?

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-aircraft-carriers-arent-little-teacups-their-captains-say-2022-4

    Pap for mass media consumer sheeple. None of the CIWS systems is able to deal with hypersonic missiles. Full stop.
    US carrier commanders like the rest of the US generals are political hacks who have to play the mass media propaganda
    game. See the parade of US generals making total chimps out of themselves in their evaluation of the war in Ukraine.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:36 am

    They are in denial because the truth is they are terribly vulnerable to hypersonic Russian anti ship missiles because they are designed specifically to penetrate the air defences of western ships and groups of ships.

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    Post  andalusia Mon May 02, 2022 12:26 pm

    Just saw this comment on a website; I hope that the US doesn't create a Asian Nato. What are people's thoughts on this statement.


    "The biggest Navy in any ocean is the USN. Atlantic, Pacific or Indian. The Pacific Command, comprises 3rd and 7th fleet. 4 CSG in the 3rd and 1 in the 7th plus all those subs and destroyers in the 7th. Just one of these is enough to bring down ANY navy. The kind of firepower they can unleash is unprecedented. And the trump is they can do these thousands of kms away from their territory in the opponents backyard. Anybody who thinks otherwise, is living in a fool's paradise.

    The Americans as of date are not yet aligned for a fight with the PLAN. But, the preparations are there with the Asia pivot. Give this 5 years. Over the next 5 years, you will see a strengthening of US partnerships with East Asian and South East Asian states. This could even be through defence alliances. And once those alliances are in place, the testing of the Americans of the Chinese will begin. The emergence of a NATO like organisation is not far behind."


    https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/vietnams-kilo-class-submarines-a-serious-threat-to-china.383995/page-3
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    Post  GarryB Mon May 02, 2022 2:15 pm

    They have been pushing the Chinese for quite some time now and the so called pivot is a bit creaky in that the Indian component would rather buy Su-30s and S-400s than F-35s and Patriots and are not so stupid as to join the west in a fight against China just because the US wants a giant meatshield in the form of India on their side.

    I would say an Asian HATO is inevidible and just as doomed to be weak and ineffective.... a real drain on resources and a set of blinkers to limit member states in what they can say and do.

    The real difference is that China is a big producer of western products and so trying to isolate China is a self inflicted wound for most countries that trade with China at the moment...

    The US is just doing what it does, no surprises... didn't work against Russia and it wont work against China first and then India next...

    The amusing thing is that they state their surface ships are dangerous from thousands of kms away from enemy territory, well the flight range of F-35s and the flight range of Tomahawk missiles means those carriers will have to get within Kinzhal and MiG-31K range to do anything at all, which means it will be messy for them... even if their target country does nothing... and they launch hundreds of cruise missiles... the combination of modern surface ships with modern SAMs and modern radars and aircraft like AWACS types working with modern fighters would clean up a massive strike of incoming cruise missiles even without dedicated aircraft like the MiG-31BM.

    Modern fighters with modern radar... they don't even have to be AESA radar, but modern ARH AAMs and short range R-73 type air to air missiles would be very effective in bringing down subsonic cruise missiles... in enormous numbers.

    A massive attack of thousands of cruise missiles would justify a country like China retaliating with nuclear armed ballistic missiles against the surface group responsible for the attack... purely as a self defence measure to prevent them launching a second strike.

    I hope they do create an Asian HATO because it will be totally ineffective because most Asian countries wont buy up lots of AEGIS class cruisers which i suspect they are hoping will be the direct result of such an agreement... Australia will piss away good money like they are for an SSN which will only get them into trouble and lead China to start sending SSN down to the south pacific to monitor and deal with its hostile neighbour to the south.

    Surprise surprise... buying big deal stuff like the big boys have creates a less safe environment for Australia instead of the promised increased defence capacity.

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