Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

I found this text from 25th of August...if this is true, than I'm not happy. They are talking about the second batch of Grigorovich frigates, one for Russian Navy and two for Indian?! According to this, Russia will receive only 4 frigates untill 2020.

https://navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/august-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5510-construction-of-two-project-11356-frigates-laid-down-for-russian-navy-to-be-completed-for-india.html

PapaDragon wrote:

littlerabbit wrote:I found this text from 25th of August...if this is true, than I'm not happy.  They are talking about the second batch of Grigorovich frigates, one for Russian Navy and two for Indian?! According to this, Russia will receive only 4 frigates untill 2020.

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Wrong

India will get freshly built ones

Russia gets all 6 ships ordered

Thanks for the info, I was hoping this text wasn't true.

The main program of state tests of the frigate "Admiral Makarov" is completed

KALININGRAD, September 26. / Corr. Vladimir Nyakshhev. Press secretary of the Yantar shipyard in the Baltic States Sergey Mikhaylov said that: "The main program of state tests of the Admiral Makarov frigate has been completed and the terms for transferring the ship to the Navy will be determined by agreement with the customer - the Russian Defense Ministry."



In an interview with the factory newspaper Vpered! Sergei Illarionov, head of the Armament and Military Engineering Department of the Yantar factory, participated in all stages of the state tests, noted that "the main tasks of the last part of the state tests were the completion of work with the Shtil anti-aircraft missile system, the elimination of the comments of the state commission on the main power plant, and also repeated checks of the radar station for detection of surface targets. "
Despite the fact that "weather conditions made adjustments in the time of testing, the delivery team and the crew of the ship showed a good result," successfully firing the complex "Shtil" Illarionov stressed.
"There was a lot of work, the plant coped with all tasks" perfectly ", - he stated.

https://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/2046647.html

Second troika 11356: decision taken

Until recently, in the muddled theme of the fate of 4-6 Corps of the TFR Prospect 11356, built at the Yantar shipyard for the Russian fleet, I adhered to the statement of the deputy head of the Navy for arming V. Bursuk at IMDS-2017 (on the one hand, out of respect for the vice -admiral shoulder straps and technical degree, on the other - because what I said reflected my personal point of view on this issue): "We went to meet our foreign partners who want to buy frigates of this project, but the second three ships of the series already laid on" Yantar "will completed transferred to the Navy [Russia] "(01.07 - Reference 1). The statement of another respected person - the USC vice-president on military shipbuilding and the new director (crisis manager) of the Northern Shipyard I. Ponomarev, voiced near the end of August (23.08), I considered it a good thing to write off at the expense of a "spoiled phone."


1. On a satellite image from Google (2017) on an open pit of the Yantar shipyard you can see (from left to right, from top to bottom) "Gorigledjana" (Project 02670), Petr Morgunov (Project 11711), Istomin and Kornilov


I am sure that V. Bursuk did not fantasize (he did not compose on the move). Most likely, he expressed the decision to which the military-political leadership of the country was inclined in early July. The Vice Admiral's fault is that he informed "on camera" of the planned yet unresolved decision (not documented by presidential decree), and this his puncture will not be forgotten now (the blog already mentioned the need for a unified information policy in the defense sphere , which presupposes, among other things, the inadmissibility of any premature, purely personal statements of secrets carriers from which ideas are confused). By the beginning of the forum "Army-2017", held August 22-27, the line of fate head. №№ 01360 and 01361 (mortgaged as "Admiral Butakov" and "Admiral Istomin") for unknown reasons was drawn anew, as two statesmen unequivocally stated, which there are no grounds not to trust (the original).

I must admit that I knew about the statement of "civilian" Deputy Minister of Defense Y. Borisov, but by the will of fate it was in the attic of my database and thoroughly forgotten. Meanwhile, it is Borisov's statement, but not in itself, but paired with Ponomarev's statement, which makes it possible to fold a mosaic of disparate contradictory facts. I. Ponomarev: "Two ships will be built for the Indian side, and one ship will be built for the Russian Navy - with new gas turbine engines ... We expect that after the completion of these works the Navy will decide to order at least two more frigates of this project "(ref. 2); Yury Borisov: "It is planned [the creation of two SKR prospect 11356 and two NAPL pr.677], but this is still a project." All these events are the subject of a new state armaments program that will start in 2018 [after it is approved by the GDP] " (ref. 3).

It should be assumed that during the implementation of the ROC by the forces of the Northern Design Bureau and the "ODK-Saturn", the need for significant alterations (re-arrangement) of the already formed engine compartments of orders 01360 and 01361 for new gas turbine units (most likely, each of the two GTAs will be a pair of GTE M70FRU for 14000 hp maximum with a total reversing gear). As for the order 01362 (known as the "Admiral Kornilov"), it was already taken out of the shed to fresh air (to an open slipway), but without add-ons (photo 1) and, judging by the painted body (photo 2), it might even be brought down in this form on the water, which subsequently will greatly facilitate the task of adapting the hull structures to the new power plant. In the end, from the two options - the alterations of the formed buildings to the new GEM and the laying of new ones under the finalized project, apparently, the second one was chosen. Without complete information, it is difficult to judge the correctness of the decision, but there is every reason to believe that it does not run counter to the interests of the Russian Navy (first of all, in terms of the completion of the construction of six SSF for the Black Sea Fleet).

In general, there is a lot of work to be done: Saturn will need to develop a prototype GTA, which is not available at the moment (there is only an engine), to make it, to test it and launch it in series (*), and the SPKB - to amend the technical design 11356 and design engineering documentation for "Amber". However, it is not necessary to wait for the completion of this work - two TFRs can be mortgaged immediately after the approval of the GPU (in 2018), but on one condition - for this it is necessary first to release the stalled places in the covered slipway, which is impossible without the descent of the now-former Istomin and "Kornilov," as well as "Gorigledjana" and "Morgunov". Now the boathouse is occupied by two rather large orders - OIS (Oceanographic Research Vessel) Almaz (av. 22010, 5700 tons full, 108 m nb?) And the vessel providing emergency rescue operations of Voevod (23700, 7500 tons, 111 m) with a delivery date to customers in 2019.

"Almaz", laid two months after the withdrawal of the "Morgunov" hull and therefore, most likely, being built on the second slip line (in photo 1 it is from above), should move to an open slipway in time and without any problems, since the BDK plan to launch on the water in the next month (of course, after the OIS "Eugene Gorigledjan"). The shift to the right, even for six months, does not change anything here - the new Butakov can (and should) be laid in 2018. But "Istomin I" and "Kornilov" will have to be unfinished (to release the "Voevoda") and put to the embankment to wait for their GTA. The fate of the Indian frigate with Ukrainian engines interests me a little (if not to say that it does not interest at all), and at the head. No. 01362, there is a chance to get the Rybinsk aggregates no later than 2020 and to join the Russian Navy in 2022 - a year earlier than Butakov II and Istomin II (which, in my opinion, is not so bad).

Theoretically (taking into account the fact that the two stacking lines simultaneously accommodate six orders with the largest length of about 120 m), one could hold Kornilov on the shore before the GTA supply, but in this case it would be necessary to play a little orders, moving them from one line to another . Such a permutation is possible with the device described in the following quote: "In some cases, depending on the location of the construction sites, there is a need to move the blocks and the whole ship not only in the longitudinal but also in the transverse direction. ie, welded trusses moving along the rails along the rails perpendicular to the longitudinal axis of the vessel.The vessel on the trolleys is rolled longitudinally to the trans-bender and transverses with it. Moves in the trans-harbor pit - a recessed area in the shipyard - with the help of winches ... the length of the cross-benders reaches 160 m. "(Fundamentals of shipbuilding technology, edited by V. Matskevich, Shipbuilding, L., 1980, p. 191). However, neither on the site of the enterprise, nor in the factory newspaper "Vpered!" I did not have to meet any references to the trans-benders used on "Yantar".

(*) Note. Develop and run in the series of GTA for only three TFRs, there is no particular sense. It seems that there are plans for a wider use of new units based on the GT70 MTCFG on both domestic and export ships. In the first case, it could be six for 11356 for the Pacific Fleet and, perhaps, some (at least three) for the Baltic, in the second - at least two conditionally similar frigates that will be built in India, and ships that can be built on the " Yantar "for potential foreign customers (after the successful combat use of" Grigorovich "and" Essen "in the eastern Mediterranean, frigates pr. 11356" plan to purchase many countries "- reference 4).

https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/172774.html#cutid1

Luq man wrote:Apparently Admiral Istomin and Admiral Kornilov have been launched.
http://kuleshovoleg.ru/?p=1821

What does it mean?  Have they already got new Russian engines for those two ships, is it possible, so quickly?!