GunshipDemocracy wrote:not sure if you can read with understanding. Russia doenst need CVN now . Now half a trillion ruble is nonsense. That's why all fleet of Tu-22 and tu-160 with long range hypersonic missiles. As soon as economy jumpstarts CVNs can go or not. Never before 2030s. With what fighter is theres only MiG-29 now?
You can be sure Gunship, I can read.
Nevertheless I am not directing my comments to you or the forum users here, rather referring to endless experts in the media trying so hard to make the case that Russia does not need bothering with carriers. No F*ckn anyone needs carriers to defend the country!! But the comment is interestingly always pointed towards Russia. What need do France and UK have for carriers, for God's sake?
To your comment: need (or rather convenience) and possibility are different things. Russia can have currently difficulties to build, protect and operate carriers, agreed. That doesn't mean that they could not be used today if they and their supporting assets were available. That also doesn't mean that they cannot make now
the multi-decade plans needed to build and operate carriers in the future.
Not that I want Russia to engage in colonial wars. But if they are to refrain from exerting military influence abroad, then let us please require the same from the rest of countries in the world, there would be a hell of scrappin' to do in the Western navies first of all don't you think?
Black Sea has access prohibited to carriers BTW
But no, I am not referring to such things. The case for the Russian CVs (not even talking of CVNs) has been made abundantly clear in this thread through the years, I think it is not needed to repeat again all the reasons why it makes sense and can be useful and how that does not mean wanting to replicate the US Navy.
I said operating or developing
Gunship! But of course, everybody wants a carrier:
They are going for their second LHD BTW:
Only US carriers are helpfull because they have 20 of them of all sort and they each one carry more planes than a normal air force has fighters on the ground. They also have 70 destroyers to protect them.
All the others are useless against an army that has an airforce, subs and frigates. What would Indian or french carrier do against lets say an army like Israel ? Nothing they are sitting ducks. BIG TARGET that will be targeted by hundreds of missiles before it reaches the area of operations. And they have only 1 of them so if they loose it the rest of their ships are dead too.
Just look what argentinians did with 4 exocets and 6 Super Etandard... if they had 4 more exocets they would have destroyed the carriers whuch had air dominace around the battle group with AWACS helicopter and still they couldn't intercept non stralthy fighters 40 km away and two slow anti ship missiles. Imagine now a Pak da or a su-57 launching supersonic/hypersonic missiles hundreds of km away against a charles de gaulle with a coupke of aster or against a Kuznetsov with tor missiles or even a nimitz with some Phalanx ? They are siting ducks ...
Seriously missiles are better than ships defences. Now they even have longer range than the carrier air wings. They can launch hundreds of them fir the price of on corvette and destroy a multi billion ship with multi billion $ air wing and about 5000 people on it.
Having one or two cariiers is useless. Even the 20 us carrier are useless if you have the future tzirkon and some yassen to carry many of them on each one.
Again:Carriers are not intended to defend the territory of the motherland
We all agree they stand no chance against modern missile systems like the ones deployed by the RF.
They are useful to protect interests abroad. And yes, that means essentially to deploy them away from powerful countries that could sink them in the blink of an eye. That goes for all of the CSG in this world, including the American ones.
Why is it "useful" for US to bully the whole world but that wouldn't be "useful" for Russia? Why does Russia need to be the one showing morals and restrain in the face of outright Western colonialism?