VKS trainer aircrafts status and needs

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GarryB on Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:21 am

Just found this article from Tass:

29 Jun 2018, 21: 55 updated 30 Jun 2018, 06: 31
Production of the MiG-at can be resumed in Russia
The Ministry of defense is considering using this aircraft for basic training

MOSCOW, June 29. /TASS/. The MiG-at training aircraft, created in the early 1990s, may begin to be delivered again to the Russian defense Ministry. This was announced on Friday by the General designer - Vice President of the United aircraft Corporation (UAC) Sergey Korotkov.

"The defense Ministry is considering the possibility of using this aircraft as a base for basic training. There are no old aircraft, there are resource indicators of the aircraft," he said.

In turn, the head of the Federation Council's defense and security Committee, Viktor Bondarev, clarified in an interview with TASS that the proposed date for resuming production of this aircraft is 2023. "We are talking about the fact that this aircraft can begin to enter the air force in 2023," the Senator explained, noting that the existing backlog for the MiG - at program could speed up its resumption.

The MiG-at is a basic training aircraft of unified training. It can be used for the combat use of unguided weapons on land and sea targets. The MiG-at lost to the Yak-130 in the tender for the selection of the main combat training aircraft of the Russian air force, after which work on it was curtailed in 2010.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5335490

Making the internal components of the L-39 all Russian is a good step, but it actually being a Russian design would be better... even if those Russianised components could be used to make the new MiG AT trainers...

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marcellogo on Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:21 am

GarryB wrote:Just found this article from Tass:

29 Jun 2018, 21: 55 updated 30 Jun 2018, 06: 31
Production of the MiG-at can be resumed in Russia
The Ministry of defense is considering using this aircraft for basic training

MOSCOW, June 29. /TASS/. The MiG-at training aircraft, created in the early 1990s, may begin to be delivered again to the Russian defense Ministry. This was announced on Friday by the General designer - Vice President of the United aircraft Corporation (UAC) Sergey Korotkov.

"The defense Ministry is considering the possibility of using this aircraft as a base for basic training. There are no old aircraft, there are resource indicators of the aircraft," he said.

In turn, the head of the Federation Council's defense and security Committee, Viktor Bondarev, clarified in an interview with TASS that the proposed date for resuming production of this aircraft is 2023. "We are talking about the fact that this aircraft can begin to enter the air force in 2023," the Senator explained, noting that the existing backlog for the MiG - at program could speed up its resumption.

The MiG-at is a basic training aircraft of unified training. It can be used for the combat use of unguided weapons on land and sea targets. The MiG-at lost to the Yak-130 in the tender for the selection of the main combat training aircraft of the Russian air force, after which work on it was curtailed in 2010.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5335490

Making the internal components of the L-39 all Russian is a good step, but it actually being a Russian design would be better... even if those Russianised components could be used to make the new MiG AT trainers...

It's another category of plane, two engines and way greater performance of what is actually needed IMHO.
In a three plane scheme the intermediate one have to offer a smooth transition from the primary and into the advanced/lead in phase, so the more basic and cheap the better.
You didn't need great performances, nor the possibility of getting a light attack version, as those have to be reserved to the top tier trainers.

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Rodion_Romanovic on Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:57 am

Well, from the info available in internet i could see that the MiG- AT as mich bigger than the L39 (7800 kg Max takeoff weight vs 4700 of the czech trainer (and 4500 Kg of the italian M345)).

So the MiG-AT is not much smaller than a yak130 (about 10300 kg at max takeoff weight), and also has two engines instead of 1 like Sr-10, the M345 and L39.

That means it will not offer a lot of advantages about simplicity and cost of operations, in comparison with the yak-130...

The Mig AT is more like an alternative to the yak-130, not a complementary aircraft.

For the intermediate trainer they need a cheaper and simpler jet aircraft.

The L39 has no big problems in that role... it is just that even if they substitute all the internal components with new Russian ones, the existing airframes are not eternal and have been probably extensively used.

Since it was produced in Czech republic I do not know if Russia has all the design data and the tooling to start production of it (in a modernised version) or if would be cheaper and more sensible to think about a new aircraft in that size with the required characteristics...

Note: being able to repair and even modernise an aircraft does not mean being able to produce it...

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