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    Post  limb Wed 28 Jul 2021, 16:19

    calripson wrote:Vann if you think Putin's emphasis on sports is misplaced, you should visit an American high school or college. They compete not on academics, but on who has the best football team. My local high school had a choice to spend tens of millions of dollars decades ago on lighted, artificial turfed athletic fields for everything from football to girls' field hockey, or to build a new library. Guess which won?
    Exactly. In districts with large amounts of  black people in poverty, schools havent gotten textbook replacement for deacades, teachers are poor, but boy do they have world class football fields. At least thats the case in california. In my university, most black students are just athletes due to that being one of the only ways of social mobility for that racial group in america due to decades of generational poverty.

    On a side note, the liberation of slaves after the civil war is often equated to the liberation of serfs in the Russian empire, but there bis one caveat. in the south, the majority of freed slaves had absolutely no  property, money or any sort of phyisical mobility, thus they had to keep living on their former masters' properties and work their masters' land for the right to live there and cotribute part of their produce to their masters'.

    This practice was called sharecropping and was basically serfdom with a nice fluffy name added to it to imply equal balance of power.  Of course, in the US, even in black history month we hear a lot about lynchings and police brutality, but sharecropping is only mentioned in passing because it is embarrassing for the supposed apex civilization to have had serfdom on its territory while even supposedly backwards russians didnt have it anymore.

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    Post  kvs Wed 28 Jul 2021, 18:32

    Russian serfs had the same problem. They did not have any land and ended up working for their old masters. There was no substantial
    land reform when Russian serfdom was ended. Historical analysis points to this mass of landless peasants as being the cannon fodder
    for social strife and eventually the 1917 revolution. There was a whole bunch of uprisings before 1917.

    The difference between Russia and the USA is that in the USA the Demonrat Party enacted apartheid laws against blacks. Emancipated
    Russians serfs did not have any special segregation laws passed to keep them de facto serfs. Blacks remained abstracted slaves after the
    US civil war. The US had a chance to properly integrate them as citizens, but instead chose to engage in racist BS as a wrapper on the
    cunning plan to keep blacks as nearly zero cost labour. But racism and eugenics were all the rage back in the second half of the 1800s and
    first half of the 1900s.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed 28 Jul 2021, 18:35


    What does this shit have to do with sports?

    Mods should move all that Vann crap to retard tread

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    Post  flamming_python Wed 28 Jul 2021, 18:43

    I agree that science and technology and academic education should in no way be neglected in favour of sports

    But promoting sports and sporting culture, building arenas, sports centres all around the country, and getting kids to participate in that activity is very important

    And the propaganda value, national pride, Olympic medals and everything else is a nice bonus. But it's not the main thing. The main thing is promoting a healthy lifestyle. So that people live longer, and cause less strain on the healthcare system. The promotion of sports was one of the earlier initiatives of Putin, and it began to be instituted exactly when the demographic problem started to become a priority one. It was a direct response.

    It's also nothing new. The USSR had the same system of promoting sports, subsidizing sporting activity for kids, building facilities and so on.

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    Post  kvs Wed 28 Jul 2021, 19:15

    I agree that sports is worthwhile for health and even national prestige. But it will never fix the problems of heart disease, Type II diabetes,
    Alzheimers (Type III diabetes) and even cancer (which involves hundreds of different "mutations" that don't fit the simple models applied
    in the past). All of these are high insulin level disorders resulting from the common "wisdom" that people have to eat every day and
    basically all day (snacks, etc.). Cancer is affected by high insulin levels since they are pro-growth. One way to mediate the impact
    of chemotherapy is to "starve" while doing it. Chemotherapy acts to kill fast growing cells (e.g. hair follicle cells and cancer cells).
    Removing the insulin stimulus slows down cell growth in normal cells but not in cancer cells. So the chemotherapy does less damage
    to normal cells.

    Sports are not even half the utility of giving people proper information as to how much they eat. Humans did not evolve to eat
    with a frequency that maintains high insulin for 16-20 hours every day of their lives. Unless you are a professional athlete where
    sports are your job the benefit of the recommended physical activity level (at least 30 minutes of sweat inducing physical exercise
    every day) are totally undermined by the inane propaganda about food. Promotion of insulin inducing starches (sugars) and
    processed seed oils (polyunsaturated "healthy" fats) is what burdens the health care system and ruins the health of people later
    in life.

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    Post  Kiko Wed 28 Jul 2021, 21:47

    Best way to deal with WADA & IOC's politicising international sports and hampering Russia is to transform her into a truly sports superpower.
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    Post  Hole Wed 28 Jul 2021, 22:10

    Russia is already a sports superpower. In addition to the olympics there are a bunch of non-olympic sports where russian athletes are winnig lots of medals.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed 28 Jul 2021, 23:33


    During Rio Olympics when they goat massive ban by IAAF and rest were tested like lab rats daily I calculated average medal count per Russian athletes that did compete and they scored even better than in previous Olympics

    I am pretty sure that results will line up here as well which will again mean that opponents simply tried to cheat and failed miserably

    I also enjoyed the clusterfuck of gymnastics drama and US prom queen pussying out and ditching her team-mates to lose to Russia of all teams, that was sweeeet thumbsup

    In the end all that will matter is amount of metal that guys and girls bring back, same as always

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    Post  Hole Thu 29 Jul 2021, 11:59

    If she can´t handle the pressure she should work for McD and flip burgers.
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    Post  andalusia Thu 29 Jul 2021, 12:17

    calripson wrote:Vann if you think Putin's emphasis on sports is misplaced, you should visit an American high school or college. They compete not on academics, but on who has the best football team. My local high school had a choice to spend tens of millions of dollars decades ago on lighted, artificial turfed athletic fields for everything from football to girls' field hockey, or to build a new library. Guess which won?

    I agree totally calripson Chasing after high school recruits who do poorly in school and money is ruining college football. They don't have this foolishness in Russia or China or in other European countries where colleges value academics over sports. Maybe they should have club sports instead. Except for the loot, this is a big fat loser for every one involved. Especially for fans who just want HONEST competition without the politics & corruption of college football.


    The University if Chicago pulled out of big time FB many years ago thanks to the foresight of its President at the time. He saw the seeds of corruption and recognized the hypocrisy of mixing education with the likes of the business.

    Sports were and are designed as a distraction for the masses. A bread and circus. Most get so involved that the sport/s of choice becomes their lives. That is one part why they were created. All of them. Football, baseball, basketball, hockey, never existed until invented. The elites needed their bread and circuses.

    That it has become corrupted by big money does not obviate the value of sports in general. Need to get back to having EVERYONE participate in sports of ALL kinds, not just the ‘major’ ones.
    Fact is, through ESPN, etc, we have INFINITELY more/better coverage of ‘sports’ in general then we do of politics. THAT says something about the control of Empire over the media: non-essential activities can be (generally) honestly and openly reported on; the eee-vil that Empire does disappears down the memory hole that day.

    But in 1984, schools sued the NCAA for the right to control their own TV deals. The case went all the way to the Supreme Court. The NCAA lost.

    This is what would lead to the explosion in television money. It’s what made schools and conferences rich. But at the time, it was seen as a real setback for the NCAA.


    https://www.jamesgmartin.center/2020/03/how-college-sports-turned-into-a-corrupt-mega-business/


    https://www.fraud-magazine.com/article.aspx?id=4294968457

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/crime_corruption_and_college_sports.html


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2015/11/14/how-the-nfl-and-nba-corrupted-americas-major-universities/?sh=5e83af386ba3

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/ncaa-amateurism-college-sports-whitlock
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    Post  calripson Thu 29 Jul 2021, 16:18

    The prioritization of sports in high school and lower grades is not about money - it reflects the will of the parents and is illustrative of a rather complex psycho-social phenomenon. It derives, as most things in America, from the British system: it was famously said among the upper classes in Britain at the time that "Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton". In other words, sports prepared a young man for competition. In an economic system like in the US, that competitive drive is stressed. It is rather comical among the upper middle class in America to see the plethora of lacrosse nets that bloom in the spring in backyards. Why lacrosse nets? Lacrosse (and hockey) are the last refuge for the private school jock (and a favorite inter-scholastic sport of the Ivy League). You see, Biff and Tucker can't actually compete with inner city black kids in football or basket ball, so their parents have to target sports that black kids don't play.
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    Post  calripson Thu 29 Jul 2021, 18:55

    kvs wrote:I agree that sports is worthwhile for health and even national prestige.   But it will never fix the problems of heart disease, Type II diabetes,
    Alzheimers (Type III diabetes) and even cancer (which involves hundreds of different "mutations" that don't fit the simple models applied
    in the past).   All of these are high insulin level disorders resulting from the common "wisdom" that people have to eat every day and
    basically all day (snacks, etc.).   Cancer is affected by high insulin levels since they are pro-growth.   One way to mediate the impact
    of chemotherapy is to "starve" while doing it.   Chemotherapy acts to kill fast growing cells (e.g. hair follicle cells and cancer cells).  
    Removing the insulin stimulus slows down cell growth in normal cells but not in cancer cells.   So the chemotherapy does less damage
    to normal cells.  

    Sports are not even half the utility of giving people proper information as to how much they eat.   Humans did not evolve to eat
    with a frequency that maintains high insulin for 16-20 hours every day of their lives.    Unless you are a professional athlete where
    sports are your job the benefit of the recommended physical activity level (at least 30 minutes of sweat inducing physical exercise
    every day) are totally undermined by the inane propaganda about food.   Promotion of insulin inducing starches (sugars) and
    processed seed oils (polyunsaturated "healthy" fats) is what burdens the health care system and ruins the health of people later
    in life.  

    The effects of elevated insulin are greatly underappreciated. It is one of the reasons why there is so much obesity among kids as well as early puberty. Kids grow much earlier and mature much faster than generations in the past - not interestingly something you see among Amish kids who still have a natural diet. The primary moderator of growth in children is IGF-1 (insulin growth factor 1 ) which is as the name suggests chemically related to insulin. One of the side effects of growth hormone therapy (growth hormone signals the release of IGF-1) in children is insulin resistance for this very reason. In adults, elevated insulin levels (in addition to creating a cycle of hunger for carbs) cause all kinds of health problems.

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    Post  andalusia Thu 29 Jul 2021, 19:28

    calripson wrote:The prioritization of sports in high school and lower grades is not about money - it reflects the will of the parents and is illustrative of a rather complex psycho-social phenomenon. It derives, as most things in America, from the British system: it was famously said among the upper classes in Britain at the time that "Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton". In other words, sports prepared a young man for competition. In an economic system like in the US, that competitive drive is stressed. It is rather comical among the upper middle class in America to see the plethora of lacrosse nets that bloom in the spring in backyards. Why lacrosse nets? Lacrosse (and hockey) are the last refuge for the private school jock (and a favorite inter-scholastic sport of the Ivy League). You see, Biff and Tucker can't actually compete with inner city black kids in football or basket ball, so their parents have to target sports that black kids don't play.


    I think these three articles provide a good food for thought for debate:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/10/the-case-against-high-school-sports/309447/

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/high-school-sports_b_3997391

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2013/10/high-school-sports-arent-killing-academics/280155/
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu 29 Jul 2021, 21:49


    Now this here is what I'm talking about, best way to stick it to them is to win metal, any metal. Also, comments are delicious salt mine   Cool


    Under an alias at Tokyo Olympics, Russians thwart IOC’s plan to humiliate them

    They can’t compete under their country’s flag or its name, but Russians are climbing the medal table and celebrating in conspicuously irritating ways


    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/olympics/article-roc-on-a-roll-under-an-alias-at-tokyo-olympics-russians-thwart-iocs/#comments

    On Thursday night, as the Russian women’s fencing team came out for their gold medal match, they played The Imperial March from Star Wars. That’s Darth Vader’s theme song.

    (In fairness, they also played it for their opponents, France, but the Russians arrived first).

    Over the next hour and a bit, there were shades of La Grande Armée, as the Russians stabbed the hell out of the French and sent them to ragged retreat.

    It ended with Russia up on stage, screaming and doing bodybuilding poses, while the French team stood in a corner muttering at each other. No better visual representation of European relations over the past two centuries was ever painted.

    That win – Russia’s eighth in Tokyo – pushed them into a tie for fourth place on the medal table.

    For a country that’s not at the Olympics, it sure is winning a lot of things here.

    Individuals are having best-in-life moments everywhere, but it’s hard to argue any one country is having an especially good time at the Tokyo Games.

    The hosts co-led the medal table as of Thursday night, but are still experiencing a miserable go of it elsewhere.

    The Americans have the most medals overall, and all anybody wants to talk about is Simone Biles. China is steamrolling, but they have become the paranoid cousin at international holiday gatherings – constantly on high alert for insults. Everyone else is muddling along.

    Only Russia seems to be having a blast.

    Now we don’t mean “Russia” Russia. The country of Russia has been put in the Olympic naughty corner and won’t be let out until the end of next year.

    This is the diplomatic version of, “Your mother and I have talked and we agreed. No. More. Secret. Doping. Labs. Hopefully, you’ll learn something from this.”

    Because of the shenanigans in the Sochi Games in 2014, followed by a stubborn unwillingness to co-operate with new oversight, Russia has been banned.

    What seems like Russia is instead the ROC. That stands for Russian Olympic Committee, though no one is supposed to say that here. Acronym only, please.

    As the ROC got up to accept its fencing medals, all three arena announcers said “Russian Olympic Committee” in English, French and Japanese. We heard the “anthem” of the ROC – a nice piece of repurposed Tchaikovsky. Then the Russians convinced the bronze-medal Italians to come up for a maskless, group hug and a photo. I believe the technical term for this is “recidivism.”

    To be clear – they may seem Russian to you, but these people are not “Russia.” They were born in Russia. They live in Russia. They speak Russian, have Russian passports and are wearing the Russian colours. However, not Russian.

    The point of the measures imposed on Russia – no name, no flag, no anthem – is humiliation. If they won’t play by the rules, then they have to wear the Olympic dunce cap if they want to participate.

    But humiliation is transactional. It only works if the humiliated party agrees to accept its part.

    Do the Russians look humiliated to you? Do you see them skulking into and out of events? No, they come strutting in like they’ve just arrived on the Death Star and are headed for the bar.

    Swagger has gone out of fashion, especially at a perfectly egalitarian venue like this one, but the Russians still have it. They play a part, just not the one they were assigned. This mood was captured by rugby player Alena Tiron, speaking to journalists back home: “If the flag is not allowed, we will be the flag.”

    Great job, everyone. You tried to turn this team into a laughingstock. Instead, you ended up producing a Slavic remake of Braveheart.

    It’s a good thing the International Olympic Committee and its buddies got this whole “actions have consequences” thing sorted after Sochi. Otherwise, who knows what hijinks those kooky kids in Moscow might have gotten up to since 2014.

    If all these punitive measures have been pointless, even counter-to-purpose, they have at least managed to turn Russia back into the black hat of the Olympics. That is their finest role.

    When you think of the classic Olympics, the Olympics at its peak, it’s the Olympics of the 1970s and 1980s. East vs. West. Unbeatable, anonymous, pot-bellied weightlifters vs. American pin-ups like Mark Spitz. The Soviet machine vs. the libertines of Hollywood.

    Back then, you understood who you were meant to root for (your friends) and who you were meant to cheer against (the people who had nuclear missiles pointed at you). Life was simpler.

    Since then, “your friends” has become everyone, all the time. Hooray! We’re all here participating and being nice to each other. People still cheat all the livelong day, but they are nice while they do it.

    That’s fine as far as it goes, but it’s not really sports, is it? The main point of sports is skimming a little aggro off the top. If you want to get fit, take the stairs. It requires less equipment.

    Russia not only fills that requirement for a team that’s easy to root against, but they are begging you to do so. They thrive on your resentment.

    How else would you explain their eagerness to be thrown out of the Olympics? All they had to do was turn over a few records. That’s it. But they would not do it. They still won’t. You have to admire the sheer bloody mindedness.

    Total insensitivity to what others want or expect from them acts as a shield. Russia doesn’t care what you call them, or how you dress them. Winning is their business and business is, well, not great, but pretty, pretty good.

    In getting this completely wrong, the IOC and its enforcement partners have somehow gotten it kind of right.

    In order to function, the Olympics do not require perfect fairness. That is self-evidently true because every time they do this, a bunch of people are caught doing drugs, and yet they still do it again.

    What they require is a healthy mix of types. Heroes and villains and a supporting cast. You need heartwarming stories, absolutely, but you also need some dramatic tension. That requires friction.


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    Post  GarryB Fri 30 Jul 2021, 11:24

    It is all just bullshit... we have seen athletes from Norway with their schedules of when their competition is, and when their training is and when they get sick and need to take banned substances to recover from those sicknesses... the dates of which are timed so that any residue of banned substances are flushed from their bodies by the time it comes for them to be tested... and you can't say only Norway came up with this schedule... most would probably do it.

    Lance Armstrong fooled experts for over a decades worth of doping... he didn't develop these drugs himself and all the masking agents needed to hide their use... there is no way Armstrong could have doped for that long successfully without help, but no investigation... no body else gets disgraced... but some criminal runs away from prosecution in Russia to the safety of the west with all sorts of claims and it is Russian athletes that get banned collectively.

    If there was a doping scam in place then prove it... test all their athletes... do it before and during and after they compete and if there is evidence they doped up then ban them for life... but banning athletes because of accusations and rumour from a criminal is just bullshit... and you can bet your ass once this ban is over the US and west will make changes to the rules so no other country can be banned like this no matter what the evidence is... to cover their own asses so it does not happen to them.

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    Post  Hole Fri 30 Jul 2021, 13:18

    2 more gold medals today, until now.

    Russian blood and urine samples were tested in GB for a few years. They found nothing. Still russians won titles and medals.

    Back in 1984 the laboratory in Los Angeles handling the samples from american athletes burned to the ground. Ups. What a coincidence!

    In 2003 we had the bay area lab scandal. Hundreds of american athletes caught with their pants down. The next 4 years the americans were striped off more then a hundred medals. But it was treated as if any athlete alone as to blame for that. The country could still compete at games.

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    Post  Kiko Fri 30 Jul 2021, 16:48

    Kremlin suggests Russian athletes in Tokyo continue to win medals without paying attention to criticism, 30.07.2021.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Russian athletes at the Olympic Games in Tokyo should continue to win and not pay attention to the negative statements of their rivals, said Kremlin spokesman Dmitri Peskov.

    On July 29, after Russia's Vasilisa Stepanova and Elena Oriabinskaia took the silver medal in the two without women's helm, American rower Megan Kalmoe wrote on her Twitter account that it is" unpleasant " to see the successes of the Russian team that, according to the athlete, should not even participate in the Games. Later, American swimmer Ryan Murphy, quoted by Swimming World Magazine, denounced that the swim race in which he lagged behind Russian Eugeny Rylov "probably is not clean".

    "Our boys should receive medals, preferably gold, and ignore all this," Peskov said.

    The Kremlin spokesman said that Moscow supports the Russian national team and stressed that the "medallists are out of criticism".

    Peskov then highlighted fencer Marta Martyanova who, despite having an ankle injury in one of the matches, made an effort to continue the competition for the Russian fencing team to take the gold.

    "A true hero girl who gave her team the opportunity to receive the gold medal despite the trauma. You have to be proud of such [athletes], " Peskov said.

    Currently, the Russian Olympic Committee ranks fourth in the medal table at the Tokyo Games, with 10 gold, 14 silver and 10 bronze medals.

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    Post  kvs Fri 30 Jul 2021, 17:02

    Americ*nts are just so classy.   These whiners just love collective guilt by accusation.   How about returning stolen aboriginal
    lands back to their owners, you c*nts.   Americ*nts should be kept within their borders.
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    Post  Mir Fri 30 Jul 2021, 19:30

    PS - I really do think that at least one person in the picture below should take an independent urine test dunno

    Another PS - China will be next in line for a "doping scandal".

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    Post  Mir Fri 30 Jul 2021, 19:41

    Mir wrote:
    Another PS - China will be next in line for a "doping scandal".

    Oho here we go! What a Face

    "The gold medal for anti-Beijing hysteria goes to the NYT for its unhinged attack on China’s Olympic success"

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/530706-nyt-china-olympic-success-article/

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri 30 Jul 2021, 22:29

    Kiko wrote:Kremlin suggests Russian athletes in Tokyo continue to win medals without paying attention to criticism, 30.07.2021.
    .....

    Nice to see Kremlin following my advice  Cool


    Also a sweet tweet from ROC:

    https://twitter.com/Olympic_Russia/status/1420973051890503682

    “How unnerving our victories are for some of our colleagues. Yes, we are here at the Olympics. Whether someone likes it or not. The old barrel organ started the song about Russian doping again. English-language propaganda, oozing with verbal sweat in the Tokyo heat. Through the mouths of athletes offended by defeats. We will not console you. Forgive us those who are weaker. God is their judge. And for us—an assistant.”





    Mir wrote:PS - I really do think that at least one person in the picture below should take an independent urine test dunno
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    Novak did always seem a bit suspicious to me, his chin is way too chiselled  Suspect



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    Post  GarryB Sat 31 Jul 2021, 04:38

    Doesn't one of the Williams sisters actually take illegal drugs... they claim it is for Asthma or some shit, but she gets a special waive of the rules....

    I must say I celebrate every time I hear one of them gets knocked out of a tournament these days.
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    Post  kvs Sat 31 Jul 2021, 05:59

    The concept of an asthmatic athlete is absurd. It should be a reason to quit sports regardless of wants and needs. Life
    sucks, that does not mean people get a free cheat.
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    Post  andalusia Sat 31 Jul 2021, 08:51

    GarryB wrote:Doesn't one of the Williams sisters actually take illegal drugs... they claim it is for Asthma or some shit, but she gets a special waive of the rules....

    I must say I celebrate every time I hear one of them gets knocked out of a tournament these days.

    It is possible she took steroids, Don’t compare her muscularity just to Federer, compare them to every single male tennis player, and also to what she looked like in her early 20’s.And also to women athletes in other sports, PEDs are rampant in many professional sports but she is the most obvious. People afraid to talk about it because it would be turned into a racial thing and tennis won’t do anything because she is their biggest money draw read this:

    https://vascularcme.com/2017/01/29/is-serena-williams-on-steroids-best-answer-so-far/

    https://www.quora.com/Is-Serena-Williams-on-steroids
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    Post  Mir Sat 31 Jul 2021, 09:05

    andalusia wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Doesn't one of the Williams sisters actually take illegal drugs... they claim it is for Asthma or some shit, but she gets a special waive of the rules....

    I must say I celebrate every time I hear one of them gets knocked out of a tournament these days.

    It is possible she took steroids, Don’t compare her muscularity just to Federer, compare them to every single male tennis player, and also to what she looked like in her early 20’s.And also to women athletes in other sports, PEDs are rampant in many professional sports but she is the most obvious. People afraid to talk about it because it would be turned into a racial thing and tennis won’t do anything because she is their biggest money draw read this:

    https://vascularcme.com/2017/01/29/is-serena-williams-on-steroids-best-answer-so-far/

    https://www.quora.com/Is-Serena-Williams-on-steroids

    They had no problem taking on Caster Semenya (from South Africa) - and trying to force her to take some drugs to bring her testosterone level down - even though she was born like that. Mad

    On another note: This is just my personal opinion, but I have no problem if trans people wants to compete in sport, but then they should compete against other trans people. dunno

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