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    Post  Zivo Wed May 07, 2014 3:00 pm

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    And it has suicide doors!  Cool
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    Post  flamming_python Wed May 07, 2014 9:32 pm

    WDF is that i the bottom right of the sketches, a lunar reconnaissance vehicle?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed May 07, 2014 10:50 pm

    flamming_python wrote:WDF is that i the bottom right of the sketches, a lunar reconnaissance vehicle?

    Isn't it obvious? It's for the VDV Moonraker division. Cool 
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    Post  Zivo Thu May 08, 2014 1:43 am

    Uh, could it be a submersible truck?
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Thu May 08, 2014 2:19 pm

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    Post  Regular Thu May 08, 2014 10:36 pm

    Thanks for the pictures guys. Russia is really got into MRAP trend lately. Interesting designs, I hope that it gets at least chance to be exported.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon May 12, 2014 4:31 am

    Zivo wrote:Russian Ground Forces: News #1 - Page 36 Bul-6499

    And it has suicide doors!  Cool

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Mon May 19, 2014 6:22 am

    Vitalij Kuz'min has done it again.

    http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/564
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    Post  TR1 Thu May 22, 2014 3:12 am

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2014/05/kadex-2014.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FMshaC+%28Gur+Khan+attacks!%29

    Terminator-2 @ KADEX-2014.

    And a very interesting T-72 behind it.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Thu May 22, 2014 3:18 am

    TR1 wrote:http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2014/05/kadex-2014.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FMshaC+%28Gur+Khan+attacks!%29

    Terminator-2 @ KADEX-2014.

    And a very interesting T-72 behind it.

    http://sc.uploads.ru/vxS87.jpg
    Looks like the upgraded T-72 that Russia "should" have gotten.  Neutral 
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    Post  collegeboy16 Thu May 22, 2014 8:42 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Looks like the upgraded T-72 that Russia "should" have gotten.  Neutral 
    squint a little and it looks like a Le2 2a6. the protection levels wouldnt differ much too coz Relikt is awesome.
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    Post  TR1 Thu May 29, 2014 9:30 pm

    More interesting stuff:

    Up armored vehicles:

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    Post  Zivo Thu May 29, 2014 9:39 pm

    Do you have any idea how much it increases the armor?

    What's the largest round it could shrug off?
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    Post  TR1 Sat May 31, 2014 1:39 am

    No idea, some ceramic material though. Probably similar to that other shot up BTR-80 shown earlier.

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    BTR-82 with new remote turret.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat May 31, 2014 1:52 am

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    Post  TR1 Sat May 31, 2014 7:28 am

    Some fine looking vehicles.

    Really interested in the testing results for the Scorpion, as well as the other new trucks.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat May 31, 2014 7:48 am

    TR1 wrote:Some fine looking vehicles.

    Really interested in the testing results for the Scorpion, as well as the other new trucks.

    Makes you wonder why anyone thought it was a good idea to make the Russian ground forces dependent on a foreign supplier for armored trucks *cough, Iveco, cough* when there's plenty of quality vehicles being built domestically. I've especially taken a liking to the Kamaz-63968 Typhoon 6X6, it's a beauty of armored truck:

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    Post  TR1 Sat May 31, 2014 7:54 am

    At the time light Russian mine protected vehicles were crap or non-existent. Actually I am unsure how the Tigr-6A testing even went.
    Also, lots of crazy shit happened in the Serdykov era.

    Threat of losing orders is a good thing, if applied properly. Fault is both with MOD and manufacturers.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat May 31, 2014 8:48 am

    TR1 wrote:At the time light Russian mine protected vehicles were crap or non-existent. Actually I am unsure how the Tigr-6A testing even went.
    Also, lots of crazy shit happened in the Serdykov era.

    Threat of losing orders is a good thing, if applied properly. Fault is both with MOD and manufacturers.

    What in your opinion is the model for light protected anti-mine vehicles?
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    Post  TR1 Sat May 31, 2014 9:03 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:At the time light Russian mine protected vehicles were crap or non-existent. Actually I am unsure how the Tigr-6A testing even went.
    Also, lots of crazy shit happened in the Serdykov era.

    Threat of losing orders is a good thing, if applied properly. Fault is both with MOD and manufacturers.

    What in your opinion is the model for light protected anti-mine vehicles?

    Hard to say. I am not an expert in the field, but Russia had almost nothing/ what it had sucked or was much larger than say the Iveco. Tigr is bigger, and either way mine-protection was not a part of the original design. How the up-armored one fares I am still not sure about. Mixed reports.
    I am not a huge fan of the "extreme-MRAP" vehicles such as the ones used in A-stan and Iraq, I think they sacrifice too much for widespread Russian army service.
    Assuming it is as good as claimed, the Scorpion-LShA looks like the right light vehicle to replace the thousands of UAZiks used in the Russian mil and MVD.
    I like it a lot. Simple, cheap but clean design.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat May 31, 2014 9:14 am

    TR1 wrote:
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    TR1 wrote:At the time light Russian mine protected vehicles were crap or non-existent. Actually I am unsure how the Tigr-6A testing even went.
    Also, lots of crazy shit happened in the Serdykov era.

    Threat of losing orders is a good thing, if applied properly. Fault is both with MOD and manufacturers.

    What in your opinion is the model for light protected anti-mine vehicles?

    Hard to say. I am not an expert in the field, but Russia had almost nothing/ what it had sucked or was much larger than say the Iveco. Tigr is bigger, and either way mine-protection was not a part of the original design. How the up-armored one fares I am still not sure about. Mixed reports.
    I am not a huge fan of the "extreme-MRAP" vehicles such as the ones used in A-stan and Iraq, I think they sacrifice too much for widespread Russian army service.
    Assuming it is as good as claimed, the Scorpion-LShA looks like the right light vehicle to replace the thousands of UAZiks used in the Russian mil and MVD.
    I like it a lot. Simple, cheap but clean design.

    Actually your not the only one who's criticized the use of MRAP's in Afghanistan, there's been military spending watch dog groups who've pointed out the obvious that MRAP's built by U.S. companies cost millions of dollars, while the IED's that they encounter only really cost $20, $30, $40, $50 to create. I could type up several pages worth of material of what's wrong with the war in Afghanistan but that's better suited for another thread.
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    Post  GarryB Sat May 31, 2014 11:51 am

    You have to keep in mind that all of a sudden the Russian military was getting real funding, but there had been no funding of the military industrial complex.

    there were no Russian MRAPs because there had been no demand and no funding for such things and then when they got the money the Russian military expected the Russian industry to instantly have something to offer that was world class.

    The reality is that no MIC in the world could have delivered in such a case, and more importantly there is a niche where MRAPs would be worth their cost but most of the time a more normal armoured vehicle will do... these vehicles are replacing 4x4 jeeps they don't need to be tanks... and shouldn't be.

    At the time there was little real choice but now there seems to be a range of options in different weights that have actually achieved export orders...


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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat May 31, 2014 11:08 pm

    TR1 wrote:http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2014/05/kadex-2014.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FMshaC+%28Gur+Khan+attacks!%29

    Terminator-2 @ KADEX-2014.

    And a very interesting T-72 behind it.

    http://sc.uploads.ru/vxS87.jpg

    High quality rear image of Terminator-2:

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    Post  Viktor Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:06 am

    New fighting module

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    Post  TR1 Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:51 am

    https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5549/14338953143_f19e6f1e1b_o.jpg

    So it looks like a mockup. An ugly one.

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