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    Post  George1 Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:37 pm

    This will be the first time that Buk-M3 will be shown in public

    The Buk-M3 air defense system is being used by the Land Forces of Russia since 2016. The "Buk-M3" air defense missile system is provided by JSC "Ulyanovsk Mechanical Plant", which is a part of JSC "Concern VKO Almaz-Antey". The structure of the Buk-M3 complex (the developer of the NIIP named after VV Tikhomirov) includes the command post 9S510M, the station for detection and target designation with the 9S36M radar, two self-propelled self-propelled guns (SOA) 9A317M with six antiaircraft guided missiles 9M317M in the TPK, one or two transport-launchers (TPU) 9A316M with 12 anti-aircraft guided missiles 9M317M in the TPK, as well as transport-charging machines (TZM) 9T243.
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    Post  hoom Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:52 pm

    More pics at https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3308299.html

    I'm quite intrigued by the elevated engagement radar
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    They were already part of M2 right? So this is just an upgrade to that.

    Also interesting that the transport launcher has 12 missiles all ready-use rather than the 4 reloads on older version

    Side question: the 9S36 is a PESA, able to work as normal search radar as well as continuous wave for guiding missiles, supposedly they have a 90deg coverage angle, so can 4 TELs set up at 90deg angles and cooperatively scan 360deg?
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    Post  Hole Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:34 pm

    The radar on the TELAR is just for missile guidance. The elevated radar is against cruise missiles. This is for surveillance:

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    Post  hoom Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:26 pm

    The radar on the TELAR is just for missile guidance.
    Its a secondary function but its able to scan as a conventional radar.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:36 am

    I don't think it would make much sense putting a tracking radar on a big stick up in the air if the surveillance radar is down on the ground... you need a radar to find low flying targets up in the air just like you need a tracking radar up there to engage them...
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    Post  George1 Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:27 pm

    Buk SAM variants

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    Post  Austin Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:08 am

    Hunter for "Tomahawk". What is capable of a new anti-aircraft complex "Buk-M3"


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:12 pm

    Austin wrote:Hunter for "Tomahawk". What is capable of a new anti-aircraft complex "Buk-M3"


    target speed of 3km/s (i.e. 10Ma)  and 35,000m ceiling? this doesn't look lik for Tomahawks nr any of aircraft to.  Looks like rather for hypersonic objects..
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    Post  hoom Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:52 am

    Things that happen when you upgrade/redesign Soviet era stuff that was designed to defeat its own attack capabilities: ie saturation supersonic ballistic &/or sea-skimming attacks...

    Though I do suspect that max target speed is probably only a pretty limited engagement envelope (but means a significantly improved high supersonic envelope).
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    Post  Austin Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:40 pm

    Russia showed the latest BUK-M3
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/nikitinskiy/rossiia-pokazala-noveishii-buk-5c517ae1ee8f3100ade47a45
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    Post  Austin Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:14 pm

    Buk-M3 air defense system was launched into the exercises and Specification Released

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    The other day, during the verification of combat readiness by anti-aircraft missile units, for the first time in Russia, the newest Buk-M3 air defense system was launched to the exercises .

    The vehicles arrived at the end of 2018. In comparison with the "older brothers", the new "Buk" improved the firing range and the effectiveness of work on low-flying targets. Significantly increased the speed of calculation.

    Each division, armed with the Buk-M3, has 36 target channels and is equipped with the latest models of missiles with active homing heads, which indicates its superiority even over the S-300.


    With one salvo, the Bukov division can destroy an entire air regiment.

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    Externally, the new complexes are easy to recognize by 6 rockets instead of 4. At the same time, the machine is one meter longer than its predecessors - additional electronic equipment was housed in the new compartments.

    *** TTK ZRK "Buk-M3":

    - Range of destruction of targets, km: 2.5 - 70;

    - Height of destruction of targets, m: 15 - 35000;

    - Rocket speed, m / s: 1550;

    - Maximum speed of targeted targets, m / s: 3000;

    - The probability of destruction of aerodynamic purposes: 0.99;

    - Number of targets fired: 36.


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    *** Composition of the 9K317 Buk-M3 complex:

    - command and control station (PBU) 9S510M;

    - radar target detection 9S18M3;

    - up to 6 self-propelled self-propelled fire installations (SDA) 9A317M or radar illumination and guidance (RPN) 9S36M in any combination;

    - up to 12 launchers (PU) 9A316M;

    - transport-charging machines (TZM) 9T243M.


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    Post  dino00 Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:23 pm

    The combined arms army in Siberia will be strengthened by new Buk-M3 air defense systems
    03/06/2019 4:16:16 PM
          Moscow. March, 6. INTERFAX - The forty-first combined-arms army will receive new Buk-M3 medium-range air defense systems of the medium-range, the Russian military said.
          "The party of the Buk-M3 anti-aircraft missile systems will enter the 41st All-Army Army deployed in Siberia in 2019," the Russian Defense Ministry website said Wednesday.
          The servicemen of the missile brigade will be trained in Orenburg on the basis of the training center of military air defense. Crews will study the tactical and technical characteristics and the material base of the complex, the report says.
          The multifunctional Buk-M3 anti-aircraft missile system (Concern VKO Almaz-Antey AO) is designed to destroy all types of aircraft in all ranges of their practical use, and to destroy radio-contrast ground and surface targets under conditions of intense fire and electronic countermeasures.
          41 The army (headquarters in Novosibirsk) is part of the Central Military District. The formations and units of the 41st Army are deployed in 5 constituent entities of the Russian Federation: Novosibirsk, Omsk, Kemerovo, Ir ETSC region, the Altai Territory.
         

    http://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=503496
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    Post  Hole Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:18 am

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    Post  Slevin Sat May 04, 2019 10:29 am

    While India and Russia are currently finalizing a deal on the S-400 long-range air defense missile system, Moscow is now understood to be getting New Delhi interested in its Buk-M3 medium range and Tor-M3 short-range missile defence systems to form a single air-defence network.



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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:55 pm

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    9A383, according to Vitaly can be part of a Buk-M3 unit.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:01 pm

    What is that?
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    Post  Isos Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:10 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:What is that?

    S-300VM launchers.

    9A383, according to Vitaly can be part of a Buk-M3 unit.

    It has less powerfull and capable radars than S-300VM. Those missiles have 300km range which buk m3 won't use at full capacities. If itis for using them 70 away, just add more buk launchers ...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:22 pm

    Hole wrote:BUK SAM system Thread - Page 16 000144
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    9A383, according to Vitaly can be part of a Buk-M3 unit.

    Honestly this doesn't make sense, are you sure you didn't get confused?
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:35 pm

    Isos wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:What is that?

    S-300VM launchers.

    9A383, according to Vitaly can be part of a Buk-M3 unit.

    It has less powerfull and capable radars than S-300VM. Those missiles have 300km range which buk m3 won't use at full capacities. If itis for using them 70 away, just add more buk launchers ...

    That is what I was thinking so I have no idea what Buk had to do with it. Only concept is that Buk system is part of an army IADS where its the medium range to S-300V series and then the Tor being short range to it with lastly the Tunguska being SHORAD.

    So yes, it would work with Buk but Buk would be connected to the S-300V series radar and command system. And I guess vice versa for medium range of the Buk.
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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:52 pm

    Take a look at his website.

    "Новая ПУ 9А383Э ЗРК 9K317MЭ Викинг/Бук-M3 (9A383E TELAR of 9K317ME Viking/Buk-M3 system)"

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    By the way… the system is called S-300V4 in russian army service, not S-300VM. And the "small" missile 9M83MD has a range of 200km.

    The old 9S18M-1-1 search radar has a range of 160km. The Buk-M3 uses the new 9S18M1-3. Range is propably sufficent enough to use the missile to full range.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:36 am

    Interesting, so they are trying to consolidate the Buk and the S-300V4 into a unified system?

    I guess in the sense that the S-350 is now to replace the oldest S-300 systems that it will be very much used like a low level S-400...
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    Post  Hole Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:14 am

    Could be just for export, to give a country buying the Buk-M3/Viking the incentive of having a long-range missile and no need to buy the much more expensive S-300V (Antey-2500/Antey-4500).

    Or the launchers come in an extra battery which can be added to the Buk-M3 unit in specially hostile enviroments to strengthen the air defence.

    There was a maneuver a few weeks ago with a S-400 and a Pantsir unit being led by a single command post to use the different missiles to the best advantage.

    Add a short-range missile an Buk-M3 is like S-350. Very Happy
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    Post  Cyberspec Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:36 am

    BUK family
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    Post  Austin Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:44 pm

    SAM "Viking" on guard of the sky

    http://www.nationaldefense.ru/includes/periodics/defense/2019/0610/131426985/detail.shtml
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    Post  George1 Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:27 pm

    The first train echelon with the newest air-defense systems Buk-M3 arrived in Central Military District

    The first batch of the latest Buk-M3 anti-aircraft missile systems entered service with the Central Military District, reinforcing the anti-aircraft missile brigade of the 41st Combined Arms Army deployed in Altai.


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