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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:45 pm

    theking950 wrote:
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    theking950 wrote: you need some thing like peredetor c the avenger
    or x47 b

    Orion, Altus, Sukhoi UCAV...

    Worry not, they are coming along
    Sukhoi UCAV i saw it canceld
    and altus is not the same level orion more detalis?

    Well, if you bothered to read through even this page, post 627 by Austin which is only a few post above yours, mentions Sukhoi UAV/UCAV project.
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    Post  theking950 Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:57 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    theking950 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    theking950 wrote: you need some thing like peredetor c the avenger
    or x47 b

    Orion, Altus, Sukhoi UCAV...

    Worry not, they are coming along
    Sukhoi UCAV i saw it canceld
    and altus is not the same level orion more detalis?

    Well, if you bothered to read through even this page, post 627 by Austin which is only a few post above yours, mentions Sukhoi UAV/UCAV project.
    so why in 2015 2016 you wanted to buy uavs from us?
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:28 pm

    theking950 wrote:[.....
    so why in 2015 2016 you wanted to buy uavs from us?

    1) "We" are not Russians. Only handful of members here on this forum are

    2) Russians never tried to get UAVs from USA, especially not in 2015
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    Post  theking950 Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:34 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    theking950 wrote:[.....
    so why in 2015 2016 you wanted to buy uavs from us?

    1) "We" are not Russians. Only handful of members here on this forum are

    2) Russians never tried to get UAVs from USA, especially not in 2015
    i mean from israel
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    Post  franco Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:45 pm

    theking950 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    theking950 wrote:[.....
    so why in 2015 2016 you wanted to buy uavs from us?

    1) "We" are not Russians. Only handful of members here on this forum are

    2) Russians never tried to get UAVs from USA, especially not in 2015
    i mean from israel

    Technology.
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    Post  theking950 Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:54 pm

    franco wrote:
    theking950 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    theking950 wrote:[.....
    so why in 2015 2016 you wanted to buy uavs from us?

    1) "We" are not Russians. Only handful of members here on this forum are

    2) Russians never tried to get UAVs from USA, especially not in 2015
    i mean from israel

    Technology.
    russia already develop 20 ton ucav
    and technology is heron tp the best israel have
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    Post  theking950 Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:56 pm

    china also have and turkey
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    Post  franco Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:09 pm

    theking950 wrote:
    franco wrote:
    theking950 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    theking950 wrote:[.....
    so why in 2015 2016 you wanted to buy uavs from us?

    1) "We" are not Russians. Only handful of members here on this forum are

    2) Russians never tried to get UAVs from USA, especially not in 2015
    i mean from israel

    Technology.
    russia already develop 20 ton ucav
    and technology is heron tp the best israel have

    Are developing, Israeli's is already operational. Will be a few more years before most of these Russian projects reach the troops.
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    Post  franco Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:10 pm

    theking950 wrote:china also have and turkey

    Doubt either of them compare to yours.
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    Post  theking950 Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:24 pm

    franco wrote:
    theking950 wrote:china also have and turkey

    Doubt either of them compare to yours.
    we stuck on 5 ton heron tp for 10 years dont see and development for stealth or mor heavy drone
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:11 pm

    theking950 wrote:
    franco wrote:
    theking950 wrote:china also have and turkey

    Doubt either of them compare to yours.
    we stuck on 5 ton heron tp for 10 years dont see and development for stealth or mor heavy drone

    And that is all Russia wanted and got. A JV to have them produced in Russia too. The agreements were from many years ago. Since then, Russia has been producing their own but majority are all small drones. The Israeli drone was the only one Russia had that launched and landed from a runway. Since then, Russia has been R&D'ing the ones you are now starting to see. Still will be a while till they are in full production mode. Till that time, Russia needed and still needs to train their troops on using such UAV's and also making systems that can control these drones and other types (already shown). If Russia just waited till they had their own in full development mode, it would take a while to train the troops and get them prepared.
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    Post  theking950 Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:01 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    theking950 wrote:
    franco wrote:
    theking950 wrote:china also have and turkey

    Doubt either of them compare to yours.
    we stuck on 5 ton heron tp for 10 years dont see and development for stealth or mor heavy drone

    And that is all Russia wanted and got.  A JV to have them produced in Russia too.  The agreements were from many years ago.  Since then, Russia has been producing their own but majority are all small drones.  The Israeli drone was the only one Russia had that launched and landed from a runway.  Since then, Russia has been R&D'ing the ones you are now starting to see.  Still will be a while till they are in full production mode.  Till that time, Russia needed and still needs to train their troops on using such UAV's and also making systems that can control these drones and other types (already shown).  If Russia just waited till they had their own in full development mode, it would take a while to train the troops and get them prepared.
    india develop also stealth drone russia can join
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:13 pm

    While some of these programs you mention sound good, they don't really exist (Indian stealth drone). Russia could work with them but they rather use their own developers. Some with already experience with drones.
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    Post  theking950 Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:19 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:While some of these programs you mention sound good, they don't really exist (Indian stealth drone). Russia could work with them but they rather use their own developers. Some with already experience with drones.
    its do exist but its take them alot of time
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    Post  Isos Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:37 pm

    What do the Russian army think of big drones ?

    Small ones are very stealth to radars and to eyes and can help soldiers to do their job better while being very cheap and in big numbers. But big ones in a conventional war are totaly useless as they can't fight against even old fighters, they can be spotted easily and their cost is very high (specially somenthing like Global hawk). Why so many armies want them ?

    And I'm not asking for the 6 or 7 gen fighter without pilot ... IMO it's not gonna become reality for the next century. AI is not ready for this.
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    Post  theking950 Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:28 pm

    Isos wrote:What do the Russian army think of big drones ?

    Small ones are very stealth to radars and to eyes and can help soldiers to do their job better while being very cheap and in big numbers. But big ones in a conventional war are totaly useless as they can't fight against even old fighters, they can be spotted easily and their cost is very high (specially somenthing like Global hawk). Why so many armies want them ?

    And I'm not asking for the  6 or 7 gen fighter without pilot ... IMO it's not gonna become reality for the next century. AI is not ready for this.
    russia develop 20 ton ucav ask them
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    Post  Book. Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:34 pm

    Iran Israel do OTS buy. Import german italy aero motor.
    Lack true satcom feed.

    Only US China Ru do 100% local sub componet
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:51 am

    The Russian Army likely wont be interested in heavy drones... most of the heavy drones are either long range high altitude for maritime patrol for the Navy, or long range recon for the Air Force or as a disposable strike platform also for the Air Force.

    Generally the Army uses satellite information for recon and tactical missiles for strikes, so heavy UAVs or UCAVs are not so useful for them.

    In a sense the Air Force and Navy already have long range strike UAVs in the form of Kalibr and klub cruise missiles, what they lack is a returnable unmanned recon model armed or otherwise.
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    Post  theking950 Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:52 am

    Book. wrote:Iran Israel do OTS buy. Import german italy aero motor.
    Lack true satcom feed.

    Only US China Ru do 100% local sub componet
    so why russia buy our drone if they so bad?
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    Post  Book. Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:57 am

    theking950 wrote:
    Book. wrote:Iran Israel do OTS buy. Import german italy aero motor.
    Lack true satcom feed.

    Only US China Ru do 100% local sub componet
    so why russia buy our drone if they so bad?

    Old party. Medvedev Admin. the fool
    Only buy to study

    Israel no true drone power. He cheat.
    short cut go foreign motor and sub componet (Euro-US tech)

    True drone power:
    1. Satcom 100+ orbit (for over horizn. Only US Ru China) ✓
    2. Make Aero motor ✓
    3. Eletronik + Software ✓

    Israel can only do #3. But #1-2 can no.
    So no true drone power!
    Only US Ru China do all.



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    Post  theking950 Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:19 am

    Book. wrote:
    theking950 wrote:
    Book. wrote:Iran Israel do OTS buy. Import german italy aero motor.
    Lack true satcom feed.

    Only US China Ru do 100% local sub componet
    so why russia buy our drone if they so bad?

    Old party. Medvedev Admin. the fool
    Only buy to study

    Israel no true drone power. He cheat.
    short cut go foreign motor and sub componet (Euro-US tech)

    True drone power:
    1. Satcom 100+ orbit (for over horizn. Only US Ru China) ✓
    2. Make Aero motor ✓
    3. Eletronik + Software ✓

    Israel can only do #3. But #1-2 can no.
    So no true drone power!
    Only US Ru China do all.



    to study? why didnt you make adrone before you buy from us?
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    Post  theking950 Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:22 am

    Book. wrote:
    theking950 wrote:
    Book. wrote:Iran Israel do OTS buy. Import german italy aero motor.
    Lack true satcom feed.

    Only US China Ru do 100% local sub componet
    so why russia buy our drone if they so bad?

    Old party. Medvedev Admin. the fool
    Only buy to study

    Israel no true drone power. He cheat.
    short cut go foreign motor and sub componet (Euro-US tech)

    True drone power:
    1. Satcom 100+ orbit (for over horizn. Only US Ru China) ✓
    2. Make Aero motor ✓
    3. Eletronik + Software ✓

    Israel can only do #3. But #1-2 can no.
    So no true drone power!
    Only US Ru China do all.



    only motor is europe no europe country habe opertional drone so all components are israeli
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    Post  Book. Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:38 am

    theking950 wrote:
    to study? why didnt you make adrone before you buy from us?

    Ru go UAE Austria Israel drone. study cheap design
    Ru can 15 25 30 100-300 Hp 1900 Hp up engine.
    Soviet HALE drone Tu 123 shame the US RQ4. (22,000 Ibf  motor > 7000 Ibf)

    Before Ru no care drone. today now go

    theking950 wrote:only motor is europe no europe country habe opertional drone so all components are israeli

    Euro no care toy drone.
    Busy make billon++ Airbus civil plane!

    Edit Add on:
    theking950 wrote:do you have any opertional drone?
    locally made
    no when you will have then talk

    See the Ukrane Syria?

    theking950 wrote:israel have satcom only motor cant

    Israel no Top 5 satelite power. lack full cover
    Pls read book old post. I show Ru make lot Rotax killer

    Soon Ru China kill market. Israel no longer..


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    Post  Isos Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:26 am

    to study? why didnt you make adrone before you buy from us?

    Before Ru no care drone. today now go

    USSR was a pioneer of the drones. They just stoped reasearch in this field and to buy from Israel, who sell military systems to anyone, was the cheapest way to improve their own systems.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:47 am

    Original reason was for study but there is another reason why Russia sticks with Searcher (Forprost) drone today: they are accustomed to it and it gets the job done.

    They are developing smaller and larger drones but when it comes to category that Searcher is in (medium size reconnaissance) they are perfectly satisfied with what they got and they want to stick with what works for them.

    No need to waste time and money on reinventing the wheel. Better to focus on other types.

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