There're some big issues with mortars


There're some big issues with mortars
GarryB wrote:There're some big issues with mortars
More often than not the problem is not the mortar, but the ammo...
And BMPT would have an unmanned turret, so the risk to the crew would be tiny.
Mortars are very very effective weapons.
It will be interesting to see what sort of mortar carrier they have with the Armata division... perhaps such a heavy unit might warrant a 160mm or even 240mm mortar, or perhaps they will stick with 120mm mortars with guided shells and go for precision and ammo capacity rather than sheer weight. (like they did in WWII where they had 152mm and 203mm guns and not much any bigger than that...)
Isos wrote:What's the diference bewtween t-15 and kurg-25 ? They have the same plateform, same turrets, and same interior space. Why not only make T-15 which have just a beter armor ( at least on the front, on the other sides they are the same).
GarryB wrote:
But why to replace? to deal with you have 57mm gun. Max mass of HE in 120mm rouns is about 5kg in Kornet is 10kg so what has bigger punch?
120mm rounds are closer to 16kgs and Kornet wont fit down the barrel of a gun.
GarryB wrote:
As for armata variant - the one presented as green little mockup had secondary armament 30mm gun and 4 barrel Gatling ... the only one in Russia so far was Yakushev-Borzov YakB-12.7mm. Interesting if this concept will be followed up.
there is a reason the Hind has dropped the 12.7mm gatling for a twin barrel 23mm cannon.. and a 12.7mm and a 30mm 2A42 on the same vehicle is a little redundant with a 120mm.
GarryB wrote:
A grenade launcher like the 57mm or 40mm plus a cannon like a 23mm weapon make rather more sense and compliment the 120mm better.
+ASTANA, 2 Jun – RIA Novosti. The first prototype of a promising self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery complex "Derivation-defense" will be ready by 2017, told reporters on Thursday the General Director of the Central research Institute "Petrel" (part of "Uralvagonzavod") George Zakamennykh.
"We are conducting developmental work "Derivation-defense" on the creation of anti-aircraft artillery system caliber 57 mm in the interest of military defense. The readiness of a prototype expected next year, the work is performed under the state defense order", — he said during the exhibition of armament KADEX-2016.
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"Terminator 3" involves not only the platform "Armata". This platform primarily tank T-72 and T-90. Because the idea was to put combat units on tank chassis, which are a large number of our foreign customers. "Terminator 3" is more suitable to adapt it to the tank T-72 or T-90, which are available for some of our foreign customers ", - said Halitov.
According to him, the possibility of installing a new machine different combat units, including guns caliber 30 or 57 millimeters.
They will use BMOP against the medium and heavy targets and against the light engineering, as well as low-flying helicopters and drones, said the deputy head of "Uralvagonzavod".
they could have a double barrelled 120mm a like Finlands AMOS for rapid firing, probably be better with double barrelled 160mm for extra hitting power or like you say a single 240mm self loading would be nice
How did you infer that the T-15 has weaker frontal armour than the T-14 Armata? I'm quite certain that the T-15 will eventually have comparable armour if it doesn't already have that level of protection.
What's the diference bewtween t-15 and kurg-25 ? They have the same plateform, same turrets, and same interior space. Why not only make T-15 which have just a beter armor ( at least on the front, on the other sides they are the same).
not really, Kitolov-2 carries rougle half he carried by Kornet.
this reason might be for example no 57mm gun on top of 12,7mm gun?
I would say both concepts have similar abilities to fight infantry/bunkers/ifv ...except effective AA.
57mm gun can have guided projectiles with roughy 76mm weight and be immediately ready to shoot any chopper/drone in pretty nice radius
Why would a BMP-T require a round more powerful than a 120mm mortar round when it only has to defend armour and ground troops from enemy infantrymen in urban engagements? I can understand notching up the firepower to 160mm, but 240mm? How many 160mm rounds could the T-14 Armata hold inside the hull if they did decide to integrate the 160mm mortar on to its chassis?
kopyo-21 wrote:
It looked like what Ukraine do with ZTM-1 (Ukrainian 2A72 gun) on BTR-3E.
Cplnew83 wrote:kopyo-21 wrote:
It looked like what Ukraine do with ZTM-1 (Ukrainian 2A72 gun) on BTR-3E.
Is that a vehicle sold to Thailand ? The sight is a SAFRAN Electronic Défense MPS
MonkeymodelBananaRepublic wrote:Why not use bmpt in syria to demonstrate combat effectiveness as they did for t 90? It would be good for sales/advertising and be able to see how effective the tank designed for urban combat really is
Development of advanced infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) Rytsar equipped with gas-turbine engine and electric transmission is under way; trials of the combat vehicle are scheduled in the falls, an insider in the Concern Tractor Plants told Mil.Today.
According to the interviewee, the Rytsar IFV is being created by JSC Special Machine Building Design Bureau, virtually, on its own initiative. Currently, the project is at the "payment stage", the vehicle components are being designed. Moreover, creation of the new IFV coincides with the concern’s reorganization process, the spokesman added
The Russian Defense Ministry plans to deploy the perspective vehicle in the Arctic where the gas turbine powerplant will operate better than the diesel one. The military wants the Rytsar IFVs to be supplied to Arctic-based motorized infantry brigades. The new combat vehicle must be powered with 400-hp engine, and its weight will exceed 20 tons, which is heavier than BMP-3.
The engine for Rytsar IFV has been already designed and is being tested now, but so far this powerplant develops only 380 hp, a source in the Kaluga-based experimental design bureau of motor building told Mil.Today. To increase power, the new turbine needs another supercharger and additional funding. The work on the new generator continues as well. According to the interviewee, the engine will pass from the test-bed trials to the field ones by the coming fall
George1 wrote:The Russian Ministry of Defense will purchase a batch of BMPT
As reported in his blog, Alexei Khlopotov (Gur Khan), Nizhny Tagil Uralvagonzavod is preparing to deploy a serial production of combat vehicles for the BMPT fire support, also known as the "Terminator." At present, about a dozen servicemen have arrived at the enterprise to learn how to operate these new machines. Within two weeks the sergeants passed a theoretical course on the design of the BMPT, and now they are studying the material part of the machine directly in the design bureau.