GarryB wrote:Really... so what you are saying is that the worst possible thing that could have happened to Russia happened in 1920 so for 100 years Russia has been collapsing in on itself... while at the same time fought and won a world war and then fought a cold war with the rich and powerful west... you are proving my point that you don't have a point.
If womens rights destroys society then Russian society should be dead... it has had 100 years to die yet it has actually grown and been beaten back by various external threats and grown back stronger to counter that external threat.
Are you deaf, Stalin put a stop to that nonsense, then they reformed things after the war, which kept things going.
What they implemented i do not know, but i do know it wasn't the retardation of Lenin
Fertility decline is here and we are already bottoming out.
You either do what need to be done now, or someone more radical will do it later, there is no scenario where Patriarchy is not reaffirm.
Bullshit. There was a period during the 1990s when economics in Russia were a rollercoaster ride with more plunges than the best rides anywhere... not a great time to have kids.... and now, 20 years later there will be an impact because the fewer people born in the 1990s means fewer 20-30 year olds are around at the moment and your 20s and 30s is the best time to have kids...
We are not going to understand the real effect for some time, but the best thing we can do is not enslave women and force them to have children, but to create an economic and political environment that is safe and stable for people to want to have families.
What did you expect, when both the Man and the Woman have nothing then of course your fertility is gonna suffer.
When the man has something and the Woman doesn't, your fertility is gonna go up.
And when the Woman has all the welfare she needs, your fertility declines.
Because she don't need no man.
You need goddamn pressure on them, if not you will never see birth rates go up, if you cant grasp that then keep believing in unicorns.
Yeah, and also child mortality went down and life expectancy went up so it is just as bloody well fertility went down because otherwise the problem would be over population.
The problems of low fertility can be easily solved... semen banks can be used to fertilise single women to boost the population fairly rapidly, though of course that would introduce the issue of natural sex becoming problematic... how do you know the person you are in a relationship is not related to you?
Overpopulation? .. in the West, Hahahahah
Semen banks have started to reveal the identities of the donors and these Women have all begun to go after these donors for Child support.
So men have stopped going to those semen banks.
And what, these ladies get like 1 kid maybe 2, that not gonna help your fertility.
Depends what you are eating doesn't it?
That's it, lame.
What country do you come from? Here in New Zealand electricity is not paid for by tax. In large cities like Auckland you pay for water coming in to the home and also for waste water going out. It does not come to taxes in either case.
Correct, so what are you going on about, we were talking about welfare for abortions, which is comes from our tax dollar, which is prone to be regulated since its our tax money and this is a contentious issue, and you bring up water and electricity for some silly reason.
Do you think a modern society can function without footpaths or roads?
Do you build and maintain the footpaths and roads outside your house and place of business yourself?
Foot paths and roads aren't abortions.
So someone choosing to have an abortion should not get support or help... so if they can't afford it and kill themselves and their child trying some stupid old wives remedy to abort a pregnancy you will laugh and think justice is served. But then some 15 year old girl should know better right... I am sure you are perfect and have never made any fucking mistakes.
What's with the Straw man BS.
She was the one stupid enough to end up that way, what she does is none of our concern, so long as it's coming from our tax money.
Of course... 15 year old girls with their hormones all over the place are known for their rational decision making... that is why teenage pregnancies don't exist... and boys always wear condoms when having sex... I am sure you wear two just to be safe right?
Again, Her body, Her choice, her F'ing money.
Yeah of course... I hear it all the time in schools... lets fuck baby... if you get pregnant you can always get a free abortion paid for by the government...
Really? Most girls are too ashamed to tell anyone till it is too late... the state gives drug alternatives to drug addicts... is that encouraging drug use too?
Hell the current US opioid epidemic is legal prescribed drugs that are killing people and you think abortions are the problem.
For fertility, yes abortion are a problem.
So the solution is to not have abortions or make them hard to get... I can understand them not wanting male input if that is what you have to say.
The solution is consequences.
She doesn't want it she gets to pay for it, if the guy's a cuck, then he can pay for it too, so long as it doesn't come from our taxes.
Again... you don't know what you are talking about... normally in a welfare state the payments stop when the children reach a certain age, which has the direct effect that when their kid reaches that age they tend to have another one... the age is usually 12-14 or so years old... after the kid turns 5 they are off to school so the mother is often required to find part time work between the hours of 9 and 3... so often they will actually have kids every 5 years so they don't have to get any job at all...
Now to be clear the system can be abused, but there are also a lot of genuine cases where the assistance of welfare means the child was not aborted or the mother didn't do something like putting the child up for adoption or extreme and irrational like matricide/suicide.
It is a very complex subject and your simple solutions show you really don't know much about what you are talking about.
If she's in a pickle, then she should find a Man, not the damn State, if you have her dependent on a man, he's going to want something from her in exchange, and that exchange normally means more kids.
Great so best case scenario, she has 1 kid, gets on the Welfare train for max 18 yrs, great now you have 1 maybe 2 kids and a woman who's long past her prime.
She's not going to have more kids than she could handle.
So further stagnation, as we are seen in the charts.
The issue is, how do you increase fertility, since the onset of Women's rights we have seen a continues decline, and now stagnation (bottoming out), who are making the babies, it's not the West, what do they have, Women who are dependent on Men for their very survival.
How do you increase fertility, make women dependent on Men, not the State.
I don't give a damn about feelings, the only thing that matters is results.
So instead of funding abortions you want family refuges to be funded for beaten women who have married for financial security only to find the guy is a dick and is violent, or she picks a man who is a loser or molests their kids... yeah of course a mummy and a daddy make everything better even if they hate each other and fight all the time... You must live up to the christian ideal whether it works or not... how many murder cases do the neighbours say they seemed like a happy family... people will naturally put on a public facade, but in private can be totally different... all people are like that.
Don't want this to happen, then don't let it happen to begin with.
You've seen too many SVU and CSI shows.
WHAT PROBLEM... are you talking about abortions killing unborn children or are you talking about women not getting married and having lots of children to maintain the welfare income they get... because they are the opposite problem... one will reduce the population slightly and the other increases the population.
Either way you are ignoring the real bad guy here... the male that doesn't use a condom and is fucking everything that moves... where is the punishment for him, why isn't he being held accountable?
Yea, here's the thing, they Flippin aren't having many children for their welfare, they just get enough to live how they like.
That's why we are in this situation.
They are held accountable, have you not heard of child support, hell if the Woman go's to a Semen Bank she could get child support, no initiative from the Man needed, but heck all men are evil right.
And her opening her legs for him, has nothing to do with anything, right?
If it is such a well known statistic then please fill me in on the details... where was the sample taken and which population does it relate to... and indeed when was it taken... statistics change from time to time and location to location... or is this some magic fucking statistic that applies everywhere and any time?
Lets see, https://www.fixfamilycourts.com/single-mother-home-statistics
I can tell you that being a single unmarried mother was shameful in the 80s and before... these days it is not.
Don't expect things to actually make sense... prostitution is perfectly legal in New Zealand, yet there are still rapes... you would think making prostitution legal would eliminate rape as a problem.... but the real world doesn't work like that.
Just like you can't force a woman financially to trap a man for his income potential... or indeed a woman for the same reasons in a lesbian relationship, you also can't get some men to stop raping women... tell them they can pay for it if they want it and they will say they don't want that woman... they want this one...
So you could find those single mother numbers either, pity.
Just take up sky diving and when the money runs out just don't pull the cord... it is going to be much worse for the kids who have their whole lives ahead of them in such an environment.
The biggest threat to welfare states is big business bending the ear of right wing politicians trying to get that funding and money diverted to their bank accounts... so when there is no money except in the pockets of the 1% then it will become time to eat the rich... a Zombie movie but where the Zombies are the heroes.
The first major Zombie movie took place in a Mall because it was assumed consumerism would destroy the west, which is not far from the truth... when China and India start turning in to American levels of consumerism and waste then there will be not much hope for the future of the planet... wars over resources will sort out the population issues fairly quickly... the west will need weapons to decimate populations rapidly... in Vietnam the problem was the Jungles providing cover so they destroyed the plants... WWIII the problem is going to be the population of the enemy meaning all the fire power and technology of the west is meaningless because the numbers of enemy combatants means they are unstoppable... so they are going to have to develop technology to kill large numbers of people... so they will most likely choose a targeted virus which will mutate and end up killing us all...
How? taking care of your parents has always been a factor in life, since the dawn of the village.
No, the biggest threat to welfare is infertility, which welfare causes, leading to a serious economic downturn if welfare isn't pulled back, but that would cost votes, so the problem continues
Look no further than Greece, they sold everything including the kitchen sink, yet they are still in debt, because they refuse to cut spending on welfare and such.
Oh the consumerism thing, you know, you can't consume if you can't pay to consume right?
Look at crazy obese people, the only reason they can consume is because they are on welfare (aka disability benefits), so you wanna end/ or limit this consumption, then cut the welfare.
You said Russia is in decline and stagnation since Lenin was in charge because women became empowered... seems to me that the Russian population has gone up and down over the last 100 years but there does not seem to be much chance of the world running out of Russians.
Do you see the chart, it isn't normal.
Why would a single person pay tax if they can't get support from that system until they are married?
So they can get support when they're married, maybe.
Or they could buy a shotgun.
They will find a man first.
A decline in population is fine. Working out how to make that happen in the rest of the world is the real problem.
"How to make it happen"?... easy, give women education, jobs and more, like Iran did after the Khomeini era, now they're screwed.
They have laws forcing parents to have only one child and because of their culture that means lots of abortions till they know they are having a boy... which is leading to a country with more families with one boy and few girls... it is simply not sustainable... but their population is too big and it needed extreme measures to slow it down because increasing a population means rapid further growth because there are more reproducing couples and with falling infant mortality rates and longer lives the problem of over population is magnified.
That stupid law was because communism causes famine, so they used that law as a roundabout way to deal with that.
Now they have screwed themselves somewhat, luckily they don't give a shit about Women's votes, so they will do what must be done now, to make the babies.
Divorce laws are a mess and are exploited by ruthless people of either gender...
The Chinese saw the overly high divorce rate, found out women were screwing with the system, and ended that nonsense real fast.
The West does not do this, unless its the man exploiting it, then they change the Laws real fast, because they don't wanna lose the Women's vote, so they throw Men under the bus every time, without fail.
From that statement alone I can tell you are an idiot. Competent at what? Men are more competent at having babies than women?
From your own statement, i can tell your a true believer of the equality nonsense.
Women are de-facto less capable than Men, both fiscally and mentally, the Nobel award alone prove this, as for the exceptions, they are the exceptions that simply prove the rule.
Yeah, the first few years of industrialisation were resisted... workers would throw shoes into the machinery to make it fail... the French word for shoe is sabot... and throwing a sabot into a machines gears to break it is called sabotage... with the machine broken everything had to be done by hand again so the french workers got work.
There is no reason why women can't be treated as equals but it has to be fair... that means they get equal pay but also have to do equal work. Sport will become radically different... think of the effect on boxing for instance... which is of course where the concept of equality breaks down.
It is also interesting that feminists don't demand to be put on the draft, or demand equal prison time for crimes committed...
I am not a feminist, but I don't view women as a different species like you seem to.
When you put the Woman on equal plane to the Man, she will always be able to tip the balance with her womb.
Leading us to our current gynocentric situation.
And when you give them equal access to education and job opportunities, you further eliminate their dependence on Men, and even inflating the woman's ego on her worth, causing her to only look for the upper 20%, as a result making the woman's Hypergamy worst.
This is to say nothing about over-saturating the Labor market, by effectively doubling your workforce, this directly caused depreciating wages.
Since you increased the supply in Labor, but there is no increase in demand, wages fall, the laws of supply and demand are crystal clear here.
This is a major part of why Women are having such a hard time finding "a good man".
Was talking to my neighbour... he had three houses in Auckland worth about 2 million dollars each... three divorces later he has nothing... he smiled when I mentioned he probably could have had all three murdered for less than $100K... They had better lawyers than he did.
But You are telling me we should cut off all welfare to force men to marry these bitches... men are stupid and believe the lies women tell before marriage... just as many women make the same mistake... he beats me up when he gets drunk but he really loves me...
How are you proposing to change society back to what it was... you can't take away their vote... if you try they might take away ours...
The judicial branches in the West and parts of the East seem like wings of the Feminist movement nowadays, it's not the lawyers, it's the PussyPass.
Without the welfare, women will become more dependent on their Man, the more of this dependence you have the higher your fertility.
That said, the judicial situation is another sh%tshow that needs to be dealt with, which comes back to Women voting.
That's the thing, you either do what must be done or wait until everything falls apart, sadly, unless you have an Authoritarian regime like China, "Doing what must be done" is unlikely to happen, so we just gotta wait for this b%tch to burn.
How it burns is the question, many expect economic collapse.
There's also getting taken over by some non-Western patriarchy, leading to the Fall of the West, but that's more of a long term consequence, we probly wont be around to see that.
Either way, we will soon see the Welfare state fall, estimates put the U.S welfare collapse somewhere between 2021 and 2025.
So get your popcorn ready.
So clearly the solution is those japanese sex robots so you don't want a wife any more and can keep all your money and property.
Partly yes, women have a monopoly right now, so bringing in sexbots as competition will help lower the price of their womb.
Capitalism at its best.
The true solution is to bring back the old patriarchal order that was in place before the U.S forced Japan to give women equal rights in 1947/48, but we all know that's not gonna happen, because women vote.
So the Japanese will sadly go the way of the DoDo, if nothing is done.
This is also the reason why Japan and S.Korea, who also went down this path, do not represent a long term threat to China.
Israel is the best example of the problem at hand... they import jews from all over the world but the biggest population growth contributers are the hasidic jews who do nothing but read their bible all day... they are fucking useless to society... they are excused from the draft, and they don't have any practical life skills so when they become a majority then they will be a huge burden on Israeli society...
Things are not looking good for Israel... maybe that is why they want a war with Iran... they see the writing on the world and want WWIII to happen...
How are they useless, they help keep the Jewish population in a healthy state (along with the Dati and the Masorti), that might be why they were excluded.
Either way, that all began to change in 2014, when legislation was passed to get them more into the draft, it's not universal yet, but they will get there.
Yea, Zionism is really weird.
Bullshit... Americans changing their laws did fuck all and their population decline is because their population is educated and aging... the Russian population has not be on a steady decline for the last 100 years otherwise famines and wars would mean there were none left by now.
The laws were changed in 1947/48, shortly after that the Japanese fertility burned, then they had some recovery, until second-wave feminism hit them in the 70s, and finished the job, they got double tapped.
The decline is recoverable, once you reach the point where women are once again dependent on Men, but then a Feminist movement rises to Free the Women again.
A similar situation happened in Spain, when they abolished "The permiso marital
" in 1975 along with Adultery being legalized in 1978 and divorce in 1981.
Iran after the Khomeini era, when his orthodox policies fell.