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    Post  Firebird Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:14 pm

    Does anyone know (without being sacked from work/arrested Very Happy) what the expected timeframes are for the LMFS? And what sort of numbers its likely to be produced in domestically and for export.

    Thats a lot of planes in development. Pak Fa, LMFS, the Su25 replacement, Mig31 replacement and Pak Da(maybe 2 variants!). I wonder how smoothly development will go. And where things will stand in 2020/ 2025.
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    Post  Viktor Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:14 pm

    Firebird wrote:Does anyone know (without being sacked from work/arrested Very Happy) what the expected timeframes are for the LMFS? And what sort of numbers its likely to be produced in domestically and for export.

    Thats a lot of planes in development. Pak Fa, LMFS, the Su25 replacement, Mig31 replacement and Pak Da(maybe 2 variants!). I wonder how smoothly development will go. And where things will stand in 2020/ 2025.

    Best we got so far.

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    Post  TR1 Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:15 pm

    In short, wait 5-7 years for any realistic specifics.
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    Post  CaptainPakistan Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:53 pm

    Firebird wrote:Does anyone know (without being sacked from work/arrested Very Happy) what the expected timeframes are for the LMFS? And what sort of numbers its likely to be produced in domestically and for export.

    Thats a lot of planes in development. Pak Fa, LMFS, the Su25 replacement, Mig31 replacement and Pak Da(maybe 2 variants!). I wonder how smoothly development will go. And where things will stand in 2020/ 2025.
    Why? Because a drawing and fan art exists? Give me a break....
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    Post  Firebird Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:59 pm

    CaptainPakistan wrote:
    Firebird wrote:Does anyone know (without being sacked from work/arrested Very Happy) what the expected timeframes are for the LMFS? And what sort of numbers its likely to be produced in domestically and for export.

    Thats a lot of planes in development. Pak Fa, LMFS, the Su25 replacement, Mig31 replacement and Pak Da(maybe 2 variants!). I wonder how smoothly development will go. And where things will stand in 2020/ 2025.
    Why? Because a drawing and fan art exists? Give me a break....
    Jog on comedy boy. Isn't your takeaway opening soon?

    I think your brain got taken away before you were born....

    PS Mother Russia is really jealous of you. I mean your elite fighting force has some incredible weaponry.
    Like this...

    http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120921&t=2&i=655544427&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=580&pl=378&r=CBRE88K139M00
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    Post  Viktor Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:13 pm

    @Austin - you article about new light fighter should have been posted HERE  Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy  as this is a first official confirmation about its guaranteed future !!!


    Russia to Develop Light-Class Fighter Jet

    “The development of a light-class fighter has been included in the current arms procurement program. It will be created,” said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, addressing the lower house of parliament."


    Rogozin, who first voiced the idea of developing a second type of a fifth-generation fighter in February 2012, said Wednesday that Russia has always had at least two types of tactical fighters that in general supplemented one another.

    These two lines conclude the story that lasted for over 5 years in a form of gossip  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
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    Post  George1 Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:20 pm

    Viktor wrote:@Austin - you article about new light fighter should have been posted HERE  Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy  as this is a first official confirmation about its guaranteed future !!!


    Russia to Develop Light-Class Fighter Jet

    “The development of a light-class fighter has been included in the current arms procurement program. It will be created,” said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, addressing the lower house of parliament."


    Rogozin, who first voiced the idea of developing a second type of a fifth-generation fighter in February 2012, said Wednesday that Russia has always had at least two types of tactical fighters that in general supplemented one another.

    These two lines conclude the story that lasted for over 5 years in a form of gossip  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

    and this light fighter will be from Mikoyan?
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    Post  Viktor Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:42 pm

    George1 wrote:and this light fighter will be from Mikoyan?

    Mikoyan is now part of an UAC company consisting of Sukhoi, Mikoyan Ilyushin, Tupolev, Yakovlev so UAC will develop LMFS most probably based on MIGs light 5th generation plane.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:51 pm

    great news!!

    A bit late though...

    I suppose Russia will have an exportable 5th generation fighter by 2020-2023 time frame at the most...
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    Post  CaptainPakistan Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:34 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:great news!!

    A bit late though...

    I suppose Russia will have an exportable 5th generation fighter by 2020-2023 time frame at the most...

    Doubt it. They need to design it, build it, test it. Etc. In Russia this is a 25 year program. Maybe will be exportable by 2028 if they start tomorrow. We are already almost in 2-14
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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:08 am

    Except that the LMFS is a rather old program... junior to the MFI and then MFS programs that led to the PAK FA program.

    It has already had lots of serious work done on it and many of the components on the Mig-35 will likely be part of it including the AESA radar.

    Sukhoi will already be busy with PAK FA including the unmanned version and likely a cat launched naval model too, plus the Su-25SM upgrade and replacement.

    I rather suspect this will be a MiG led programme.
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    Post  Austin Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:58 am

    LMFS purchase is documented in RuAF 2021-2025 program as part of Purchase of Frontline Aircraft

    http://www.aviaport.ru/news/2013/05/14/254804.html
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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:34 am

    Having a cheaper numbers aircraft makes sense... later on as the technology matures it could be replaced with an unmanned aircraft but technology in datalinks and telecontrol need to be bullet proof to put all your eggs in that basket...
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    Post  Viktor Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:12 am

    GarryB wrote:Having a cheaper numbers aircraft makes sense... later on as the technology matures it could be replaced with an unmanned aircraft but technology in datalinks and telecontrol need to be bullet proof to put all your eggs in that basket...

    We saw what happened to American RQ-170 the stealthiest of all stealth  Very Happy
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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:25 am

    Exactly... they forgot drones are supposed to be cheap and expendable.

    No point in building numbers planes that are more expensive than existing aircraft.

    By the time the LFS is ready for flight tests AESA modules should be in mass production in several factories in Russia being produced for aircraft, missiles, ships, and land vehicles, as well as satellites etc. The price per module should mean that multiple arrays will be able to be mounted all round the aircraft facing all directions at once giving 360 degree coverage in both active and passive mode... allowing detection and ECM features to be deployed immediately in any direction... and also to allow over the shoulder missile launches... imagine the aircraft flying along when a target appears behind at 60-80km distance... one option would be to turn 180 degrees and fire a medium range missile, but equally they could continue flying forward on their mission and fire a long range missile (R-37M) and have the missile turn 180 degrees at launch to engage the target while the aircraft accelerates away from the threat.
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    Post  George1 Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:41 pm

    Mikhail Pogosyan: UAC is not developing a light fifth-generation fighter
    Russian Aviaton » Monday April 21, 2014 15:01 MSK

    The development of light fifth-generation fighter is not one of the top-priority projects of United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), Voenno-promishlenniy Courier reports with reference to the president of UAC, Mikhail Pogosyan.

    «I don’t eliminate the possibility of developing a light fifth-generation aircraft, but this project is not included in the roadmap of UAC», - Pogosyan said. He also noted that in the near-term UAC will continue the expansion of MiG-29 fighter’s capabilities and then upgrade it to MiG-35 version.

    The contracts with Russian and Indian Ministries of Defense for delivery of MiG-29K/KUB aircraft make “UAC focus on production of these fighters”, the corporation’s president added.

    Head of UAC also said that a vector of development will be defined after completion of work on MiG-29K/35 Family: the corporation will choose between development of a UAV and a light fifth-generation fighter.

    Speaking of possibilities for development of the light fifth-generation fighter, the president of UAC said that copying of US analogues is no god for many reasons. Soviet and Russian aircraft industry had always taken its own way in accordance with the current military doctrine, he added.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:59 am

    That title is misleading.

    A more accurate title would be:

    Mikhail Pogosyan: UAC is not developing a light fifth-generation fighter right now.

    As explained in the article they are no currently working on a light 5th gen design because they are currently working on improving the MiG-29SMT and also further developing the MiG-35 and of course making MiG-29Ks for India and Russia.

    Once the MiG-35 is in service they will likely then make the decision as to whether they can actually make an affordable but also capable light 5th gen fighter, or if instead they decide to make cheaper unmanned armed aircraft to support heavier more expensive stealth fighters.

    Personally I think they have to be sensible and not try to make a light 5th gen fighter that is as capable as the PAK FA will be or better.

    The focus should be low purchase and operating costs. Reasonable stealth meaning small internal weapons capacity, with the idea that hundreds of light fighters should be able to quickly remove enemy air power from the skies and then revert to a less stealthy range of roles of numbers aircraft with external stores and fuel to extend range and engage large numbers of ground targets or air targets.

    The enemy will either have stealth aircraft which means lots of LMFS would be needed to deal with them in stealth configuration but they will not need to be heavily armed as the enemy wont be able to afford the same number of stealth aircraft as 4th gens.
    If the enemy has lots of 4th gen fighters then lots of LMFS with some clean and stealthy and lots of others flying relatively high with lots of external stores plus of course PAK FA all working together to deal with numbers of enemy fighters and other aircraft types.

    If the enemy is third world then after a few main radars are taken out stealth might not be needed so external heavy payloads can be used to bludgen the enemy quickly.

    Personally I don't see drones cutting it as being stealthy AND cheap AND capable... capable and stealthy is expensive...

    A lot of experience with MiG-35 should get them to a point where they can optimise systems and equipment for the LMFS and make it effective and cheaper.

    If the LMFS isn't 5 times cheaper than PAK FA then there is not point...
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    Post  TR1 Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:14 am

    MOD has not even decided if it wants a light fighter, an armed drone, or something else.
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    Post  collegeboy16 Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:32 am

    a light stealth fighter is the obvious choice. a drone is just getting ahead of themselves.
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    Post  Viktor Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:37 pm

    Well, something is in the pipeline and thats for sure  thumbsup 

    RAC MiG boss eyes fifth-generation fighter

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:38 pm

    Viktor wrote:Well, something is in the pipeline and thats for sure  thumbsup 

    RAC MiG boss eyes fifth-generation fighter


    The PAK-FA T-50 is about to be inducted soon, lets hope this means that he LFMS program is in the works.

    According to Paralay, originally this was supposed to be Mig's submitted design for the PAK-FA program, but I hope it's adopted (and tweeked) for the light (or low) fighter mix:


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    Post  collegeboy16 Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:01 am

    kinda like a smaller raptor with the nose flattened, cockpit extended and the intakes moved to the bottom.
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:49 pm

    collegeboy16 wrote:kinda like a smaller raptor with the nose flattened, cockpit extended and the intakes moved to the bottom.

    Actually it is a Su-34 (front section) and T-50 mid/after section.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:26 pm

    To me Mig's Pak-Fa design looks like a mix between Su-34 (Nose cone), F-22 (general LO stealth shaping of the air-frame from the top view), and F-16 (Side view of cockpit, and air intakes that are on the center-bottom of the fuselage).
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    Post  TR1 Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:42 pm

    Viktor wrote:Well, something is in the pipeline and thats for sure  thumbsup 

    RAC MiG boss eyes fifth-generation fighter


    Correction, MiG would love to have something in the pipeline as far as a new jet is concerned.
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