That's pic best i could find to resemble end of 90s proposed VSTOL. Yak future VSTOL concept (on left). Both are actually wind tunnel models of Korean promising 5gen fighters model.
GarryB wrote:Have a good look at the Yak-43 drawing... no models, but the drawing looks a lot like the F-35... do you think it is an accident?F-35 is shit so Russian VSTOL have to be as well. You must never have been working with requirements and client acceptance criteria. Otherwise this would be pretty straight forwad.
The F-35 is basically a Yak-43 but made much more expensive because it is three different types instead of just a STOVL like it is supposed to be.
Agree with one remark. Below this is not Yak-43 but Yak-41M, final design.
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I don't think air borne Onyx would be more than 2.5-3 tons and I would expect the same of the Zircon...I think it is ok but I doubt a plane which can only lift 5-6 tons in total could carry an Onix or Kinzhal. And those are extremely destabilising weapons as far as I can see. One single fighter with a Kinzhal under its belly is a serious risk for a CSG...
Zircon is ship-borne and 1000km, GZUR is airborne and 1,500km . IMHO due to platform speed/service ceiling.
They might want a long endurance subsonic STOVL cheap fighter that operates very close to ships, that could also do anti sub work with dipping sonars or whatever...But I prefer to ask the question: why Russian Navy knowing much better then any of us, do still insists in VSTOL?
and that's how false theories build on hate and prejudice get shatter into pieces when bumping on real world's decisions
No it could not... having three jet engines directing afterburning super hot air directly at the ground beneath the Yak-41 meant no ordinance or external fuel tanks on the body of the aircraft... and its rather small wing had four weapon hard points... not to mention there is no way for it to land or take off vertically without hot exhaust gas from entering those big air intakes at the front and stalling the engine/s which in a hover are fatal.(1) And what is real performance?30 years ago of Yak 41? which could BTW be a decent fighter in 2-3 iterations, no worse then MiG-29.
As for weapons you must be definitely better then Yak designers. They said it was posible.
Could not start vertically? no lding? no hoovering? woow look and impossible. And enjoy
According to Bondarev, flight tests of the new fighter are expected to be completed in summer this year, right after which a contract to purchase 30 MiG-35 jets will be concluded between the Mikoyan corporation and the Russian Defense Ministry. "Then in a short while we will replace the whole fleet of lightweight fighters with such jets," he added, saying there are plans to purchase no less than 170 MiG-35 planes.
Tis actually confirming my arguments. thnk you ! News is from jan 2017. Almost 2 years ago. Check bolded above. Yes VVS wants to have them. In unlimited money supply they would surely be procured. In current conditions tho a choice must be made. Funds can go only on most promising directions. They may eventually appear but only if budget it there.
Dont get me wrong. MiG-35 s a good fighter just not in time...
(1) So you are assuming they are buying 6 because they don't actually want it... then why buy any at all?
WTF are they going to do with 6 planes if all the rest are going to be Sukhois?
(2) If they are only buying 6 because they want to create an export market and don't want the MiG-35 are they doing the same with the Su-57 and its 12 airframes ordered... and if it is different how is it different?
(1) hint: export and eventual stopgap if VSTOL gets delayed
(2) hint: MiG-35 = is good but legacy tech; Su-57= promising tech
...(1) of course... even nothing means continuing with MiG-29s in service is better than a MiG-35... (2) So why bother with ever putting anything at all into service?I dont think they have anything new before 2030 frankly speaking. Mind then making a prototype and finalizing tests takes some time in Russia.
And in the west 6th gen super planes will just instantly appear... (3) I mean look at how quickly Europe got those 5th gen fighters into service... only in Russia things take time... of (4)course maybe if the F-35 had taken a little longer it might actually be a better aircraft...[/quote]
(1) MiG-29k will be rendered obsolete (by Russian statement) in second half of 2020s. Su-33 will be physically at end of service life.
(2) West have collectively much higher production capacity to build fighters in numbers.
(4) F-35 will be unlikely entering any dog fighting with fighters. Why should it? there will be bunch of drones with say 15/20g overload ability and high maneuverability to do this as its wingmen.
(3) It is gonna be 6gen (drone more, DEW)
the Algerian MiGs were not MiG-35s and the fact that the Russian AF is currently using the MiG-29SMTs they rejected suggests there was nothing at all wrong with them...Perhaps because during last tender MiG-35 was not finished fighter and had enormous problems with quality? (vide: Algerian MiGs) + politics (also internal) of course.
(2)Indians passed it, but chose the Rafale because they didn't want an all Russian fighter fleet... they actually wanted domestic production of the Mirage 2000, but France refused.
(1) MiG-29SMT were for Algeria. Was it French bribed general? perhaps yes perhaps not. however problems with quality were real and last years MoD got MIC by the balls only.
Yes they were transferred to RuAF but after fixing in MiG...
(2) no, Indians rejected. There were problems performance of radar + engines promised but not delivered. Well no "French bribed general" here too? I wouldn't exclude this.
They also looked at their experience with lift jets and took their ideas on main engine powered lift fans... and with all their money and all the brains of the Russians they still fucked up.Because USA failed to deliver ? and this is your strongest argument? Suspect Suspect Suspect then pwnd.
What they should have done was have two different types... a STOVL fat subsonic aircraft like a buccaneer that can take off from anywhere that can take a vertical 20 ton thrust blast of AB... (ie aircraft carriers with heat resistant surfaces, and airfields with heat resistant matts put down) the lift fan can be angled back slightly to prevent hot air coming in the front intakes...
But they were dumb and tried to have everything in one...
That's actually very reasonable, besides this "subsonic conspiracy theory" . Tell me why subsonic would work but supersonic not?
The Yak-44 was never actually cancelled, but when there was no catapult equipped large carrier developed they never needed the Yak-44... it would never work on a Kuznetsov sized ship without a catapult, so it was not continued...
of course there is huge difference between cancelled and closed after building a mockup.
Using a fan is the solution to generate lift with cold, low speed air, but the downside is that you need a very big fan area... not really adequate for a supersonic fighter I think.
The fan solution works up front, but at the back of the aircraft with the main engine that powers that fan it will be blasting runway material all over the place...
Can you show F-35 vertical start from a regular runway so I can enjoy those flying material all over the place?
damn, why I have always bad luck to talking to those 20%I am 80% layman, 40% mathematician, 30% superhero, and 20% bullshit artistNo advanced physics at all... in regards of aeronautics I am 90% a layman too
The external shape is unified, so the STOVL model needed room for a lift fan in the front... so they all have that shape, but the conventional models don't actually have the fan so they have more internal space for fuel.(2) As can you see F-35 without VSTOL ability is still bulky and fat
Show me, please another stealth fighter of size and payload as F-35 so you can convince me.
Cool and what catapults they were tested with?MiG-29/33, and Su-27/33no other CATOBAR navalized fighters in the world.