
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_LMFS
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GarryB wrote:I remember an interview with the director of UAC which stated that the Mig plan for a light 5th gen fighter was well developed but that they would wait till the T-50 was ready for production before further work so that work on the light 5th gen fighter didn't interfere with the main 5th gen fighter for Russia.
Hopefully its cost can be minimised to the point where it can be bought in significant numbers by the Russian AF so that older non-stealthy aircraft can be replaced sooner.
The Mig-21 was all about speed in a small and light package.
This new fighter needs to be stealthy, but it also needs to be a jack of all trades with the ability to fight air and ground targets at one time with a wide range of types of modern ordinance yet be cheap to operate and support.
A single engine type would be preferred.
GarryB wrote:
I would think in the longer term the role of smaller cheaper numbers planes will be taken by UCAVs, but it will take time for these to mature.
GarryB wrote:Because they have huge number of conventional fighters to replace in service and 189 F-22s simply wont do that job.
They need a numbers plane and UCAV fighters are simply not mature enough for the role even in the west.
The problem the US has is that the F-15 is out of production and the F-16 in all its wonderful variants is hard pushed to be comparable to the Su-35 which is new build stuff.
Even the F-35 falls short of the Su-35 in many areas, but its key ingredient is its stealth, which the USAF is relying on to give it the edge.
Will be interesting to see how much an F-35 costs, and how much a PAK FA costs...
Export costs will also be interesting.
Recently the UK admitted to spying on Russia using a device hidden in a rock about 6 years ago.
The spying in itself is not strange but they denied it vigorously at the time because there was an agreement between Russia and the UK not to spy on each other.
I remember Blair shrugged off the allegations as being "silly", but now it is clear he stone faced lied.
The question is why would they come clean now?
Are they actually realising that a closer relationship with Russia might actually be a good thing for them and if they keep treating Russia as the enemy then they will not make any profit while others are cashing in?
The British oil company BP had a falling out with the Russian oil companies for contracts for oil drilling in the cold north of the country... and US companies jumped in and signed up contracts pretty rapidly.
Who knows... maybe they are begining to realise the EU ship is not so safe and secure and that a good relationship with Russia might help save the EU, and put the UK in a better position that it will get hanging off Americas shirttails.
Perhaps in 20 years time their might be a PAK FA with French electronics and British engines and other components on British and French carriers because it costs $80million compared with $200 million for an F-35 plus a 5 year wait and downgraded export stealth and avionics...
U think that Russian air force doesn't need a light multirole fighter as complement to PAK-FA?
George1 wrote:GarryB wrote:
I would think in the longer term the role of smaller cheaper numbers planes will be taken by UCAVs, but it will take time for these to mature.
Then why USA produced the expensive F-35?
Hell, Lockheed claimed towards the end that they could build an F-22 for around $90 million, but still Congress said no.
GarryB wrote:Probably because congress knew they would say $90 but when they got the final product it would be closer to $200 and restarting production would be so expensive that Lockheed would then say they can make 50 more for $200 million per airframe or 500 more for $120 million per airframe.
They can also build an export variant of PAK-FA for global customers , they have already mentioned they are building a new CAS type aircraft a follow on to Su-25.
Building a new light fighter is a drain on money which they dont have , better to fund UAV and UCAV which is the future.
For this decade Su-35S,Mig-35,Su-34 ,Su-30SM and PAK-FA is more than enough , next decade they have new CAS type aircraft and UAV and UCAV of new generation.
Russia's military aircraft industry: overview and outlook
During the round table discussion regarding the current state and the process of re-equipment and the prospects of the Russian Air Force Konstantin Makienko, deputy director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, presented his report on the prospects of producing military aviation equipment for export and the use by the Russian Air Force.
The leading tendency of the next ten years will be the reorientation of the aviation industry from exports to the internal market. According to Makienko, it is linked to the drastic increase of the volume of aviation equipment purchased for the Russian Air Force as well as the expected concurrent drop in the external demand.
The drop in exports will be primarily driven by the end of the Chinese purchase orders and the saturation of the Indian market where the Su-30 MKI program has passed its peak. Besides India, the demand will center around South-East Asia, but naturally that size of that export will be quite smaller than the procurement for the Russian Air Force and the Naval aviation, as well as the huge Chinese and Indian contracts of the late 1990s- early 2000s.
At the same time in the event the necessary political decisions are made and the escalation of the Il-476 project Russia's reentry to the Chinese market is possible. For that purpose the Chinese Air Force and Navy should be offered attack aircraft with a high anti-ship potential, such as modernized Tu-22M3 and Su-32/34. Besides that, if the Il-476 project shows positive dynamics in the next couple of years, one can hope for the restoration of the 2005 contract to purchase 38 Il-76/78 that was not fulfilled due to a number of financial and production related reasons.
The drop in external demand will be well compensated by the procurement for the Russian Air Force and the Navy. Over the last few months, orders have been placed for 92 Su-34 fighter-bombers, 24 MiG-29K carrier-based fighter aircraft and 30 Su-30 CM multipurpose fighter aircraft. According to some sources, the State Rearmament Program 2020 envisions the acquisition of 600 tactical aviation aircraft.
In such circumstances producing a long-term strategy of developing the aviation industry after 2020 when the current 2020 program expires, becomes a matter of principle. With the current state of things in 2020 Russia will have only two competitive products with a good commercial potential – that is the T-50 heavy fighter and a family of trainer/light attack aircraft based on Yak-130. It appears that the development of the Russian aviation industry during this planning period will largely depend on the ability to solve two main tasks in the near future. The first task is to develop a competitive product (for the period after 2020) in the segment of commercial aviation. The second task is to develop a relatively simple and inexpensive combat aviation complex, or a «light» fighter plane that would be able to effectively compete with F-35.
http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_05_16/74828078/
Viktor wrote:Well US intend to replace A-10 with F-35 and yet claim it to be top noch fighter so new Russian attack fighter might indeed replace Su-25 in a sense it will have decent ground attack capability but at the same time be true multirole light 5th gen fighter.
Austin wrote:Viktor wrote:Well US intend to replace A-10 with F-35 and yet claim it to be top noch fighter so new Russian attack fighter might indeed replace Su-25 in a sense it will have decent ground attack capability but at the same time be true multirole light 5th gen fighter.
I bet it would be a dedicated ground attack fighter in Mig-29 class with Air Defence Capability as good if not better than JSF
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