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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:47 am

    Russia Deploys S-300s to Disputed Islands Near Japan
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    Post  franco Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:20 pm

    Read somewhere in the past couple of days that the USA have informed the residents of the Kuriles that they consider them citizens of Japan so they will need to get Japanese passports to travel to the US.  No

    EDIT: here is an article from TASS today in regards to this. Slightly different to story that I quoted from above. Variance is that they don't need Japanese passports just to claim they were born in Japan.

    https://tass.com/politics/1231885
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:20 pm

    franco wrote:Read somewhere in the past couple of days that the USA have informed the residents of the Kuriles that they consider them citizens of Japan so they will need to get Japanese passports to travel to the US.  No

    Guess nobody in Kuril Islands will be able to get to the US then. And anyway, that makes no difference since the land is under Russian control and the authorities can dismiss any citizens passport if they state they are japanese rather than Russian.

    Was that Navy base in Matua Island created?
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    Post  franco Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:39 pm

    Was that Navy base in Matua Island created?

    Not that I'm aware of. The focus has been on rebuilding the other military bases on Iturup & Kunashir.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:42 pm

    franco wrote:Was that Navy base in Matua Island created?

    Not that I'm aware of. The focus has been on rebuilding the other military bases on Iturup & Kunashir.

    I guess that is where the s-300V4 and those tanks are located?

    Yeah, it appears US is trying to goad a conflict in Kuril islands now.
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    Post  franco Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:49 pm

    Yeah, it appears US is trying to goad a conflict in Kuril islands now.

    This is a never ending world wide endeavor.

    I guess that is where the s-300V4 and those tanks are located?

    Yes, along with the permanently stationed machine gun artillery regiments, BAL and Bastion anti-ship missiles battalions and a new joint civilian military airport at Kurilsk.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:22 pm

    franco wrote:Yeah, it appears US is trying to goad a conflict in Kuril islands now.

    This is a never ending world wide endeavor.

    I guess that is where the s-300V4 and those tanks are located?

    Yes, along with the permanently stationed machine gun artillery regiments, BAL and Bastion anti-ship missiles battalions and a new joint civilian military airport at Kurilsk.

    I guess priority are those before they get the navy base. Which I look forward to.

    Also need to increase units stationed there. Maybe paratroopers since the airport at Kurilsk should handle Il-76's.
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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:02 pm

    Japan will really show to the world what a POS country it is. There was no ceasfire agreement that transferred the four islands back
    to Japan. Any treaty that Japan has with the US does not apply to the USSR and Russia. And clearly the four islands were lost by
    Japan during WWII and were not some peacetime invasion by the USSR.

    Japanese hair splitting about when it called for peace or some other shit is totally irrelevant. It is basically trying to impose peace-time
    rules on war-time. Japan has delusions of grandeur and might.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:58 pm

    I wonder what Russia's plans to increase opportunity in the Kuril Islands? I imagine there is lots of opportunity (mining especially) and yet I dont hear much.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:28 pm

    https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/145359-alaska_russians/
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:07 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/145359-alaska_russians/

    Yeap. Good response.

    It should go further though, state that Japanese in Japans northern province can be applied for Russian citizenship as they deem them Russian citizens.

    Troll them back hard.
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    Post  Isos Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:13 pm

    US statement is useless and only meant to piss off Biden mandat.

    Even Japan doesn't do it.

    Alaska was bought legally. Russia won't have it back (at least until USA fell apart like USSR).

    No one is paying attention to what US is doing right now since Trump has lost and those 2 last months are meaningless.
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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:03 pm

    Alaska was not bought but leased according to the original document. A lot of the natives there are orthodox christians and on good terms with Russia. Maybe Russia should offer them passports... Very Happy

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:13 pm

    pl. show me where it says it was leased. The RF gov. recently stated it was sold, not leased.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:06 pm

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    WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT THE KURIL ISLANDS, SINCE JAPAN IS TRYING SO HARD TO GET THEM

    There are 56 Islands in the Kuril chain, from Hokkaido in Japan to Kamchatka in Russia.

    In a previous article, I discussed whether Biden could influence Japan’s claim to the Russian Kuril Islands. But Japan does not need all the Islands, it lays claims only to Kunashir, Shikotan and Iturup. What’s so special about them?

    To begin with, these are the largest Islands of the Kuril archipelago. The total area of the three islands is 5,000 km2, which is equal to half of the total area of the archipelago (10,500 km2).

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    For islands of 5,000 km2, this is a pretty good result. Three Moscows could fit on these three.

    But this is the case when size does not matter.

    Beautiful wildlife, active volcanoes, waterfalls, rare animals (84 species are mentioned in the Red List) – this is of course a special highlight of the islands, but one can hardly buy the Japanese with this. They have enough of their own exotics.

    There must be something special in those lands for disputes to have not subsided for 75 years.

    First feature

    The Kuril Islands are one of the richest regions of the world’s oceans in terms of the number and diversity of marine life.

    Millions of tons of pollock, cod, herring, flounder, squid, crabs, shrimp and so on are caught there each year. One just can’t list them all.

    And in the period of August-October, tuna, mackerel, saury, and pink salmon enter the southern Kuril region. And this is the only place in Russia where one can catch tuna.

    Imagine how much sushi the Japanese could have if they had the opportunity to fish near the Kuril Islands.
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    Second feature

    On the island of Iturup is a rich deposit of rhenium. The rarity lies in the fact that all over the world this is the only deposit where rhenium is in the form of the mineral rheniite. In other cases, it can only be obtained by extracting it from other metals, as a passing component.
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    Rhenium is very resistant to high temperatures and chemicals.

    It can withstand a temperature of 2,200 degrees Celsius and does not deform in any way.

    Hence the scope of use of this superhero. Parts for rocket technology and sonic aircraft, combustion chambers, exhaust nozzles of jet engines – all of this is made thanks to rhenium.

    By the way, using rhenium as a catalyst, it is possible to produce high-octane (i.e. better quality) commercial gasoline.

    Now you understand what an important role rhenium plays in our industry. And how much the economy is facilitated by its deposits on our land.
    Due to low availability and high demand, rhenium is one of the most expensive metals, with 1 kg of rhenium costing between $1,000 and $10,000.

    Maybe it’s time to store your savings not in currency or gold, but in rhenium.

    The third feature

    The Sea of Okhotsk, or rather its bottom.

    In 2014, Russia was able to prove that the bottom of the Sea of Okhotsk is an extension of our land. This means that it is a territory of Russia.

    And this is an important event for us, because there is about 1 billion tons of oil there alone, while the annual oil production in Russia from all fields is about 0.5 billion tons.

    Studies have shown that oil lies at a depth of about 2 km under the sea floor. Even if we take into account the maximum depth of the Sea of Okhotsk, which is 4 km, the maximum depth of the well will be about 6 km. On land, the average depth of oil production is 5 km, and ultra-deep wells reach 12 km.

    But if the Kuril Islands go to Japan, they will have the right to extract minerals in the exclusive economic zone (370 km from the coast).

    In short, these seemingly ordinary Islands are so important for our country.

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/what-is-special-about-the-kuril-islands-since-japan-is-trying-so-hard-to-get-them/

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:17 pm


    No wonder Russia has been ordering fishing boats like crazy lately

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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:41 pm

    And a lot of the fish is bought by japanese companies. If just this nationalistic japanese politicians would grow up!
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:01 am

    Japan: scenarios of the war for the Kuril Islands
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3157336.html
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:10 am

    Japan will really show to the world what a POS country it is. There was no ceasfire agreement that transferred the four islands back
    to Japan. Any treaty that Japan has with the US does not apply to the USSR and Russia. And clearly the four islands were lost by
    Japan during WWII and were not some peacetime invasion by the USSR.

    Japanese hair splitting about when it called for peace or some other shit is totally irrelevant. It is basically trying to impose peace-time
    rules on war-time. Japan has delusions of grandeur and might.

    Normal procedure in war if the enemy does not capitulate is to continue to take land until they do... perhaps the Russians should invade the northern island of Japan... and then they can ask Japan if they want a peace treaty... they might consider handing that back... but no other islands....
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:20 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Japan will really show to the world what a POS country it is. There was no ceasfire agreement that transferred the four islands back
    to Japan. Any treaty that Japan has with the US does not apply to the USSR and Russia. And clearly the four islands were lost by
    Japan during WWII and were not some peacetime invasion by the USSR.

    Japanese hair splitting about when it called for peace or some other shit is totally irrelevant. It is basically trying to impose peace-time
    rules on war-time. Japan has delusions of grandeur and might.

    Normal procedure in war if the enemy does not capitulate is to continue to take land until they do... perhaps the Russians should invade the northern island of Japan... and then they can ask Japan if they want a peace treaty... they might consider handing that back... but no other islands....
    Hokkaido?

    Yeah, a good peace treaty would be japan is allowed to keep hokkaido and has to kick the pindos out of Okinawa.

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