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    Japan - Russia Kuril Islands dispute:

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:47 am

    Russia Deploys S-300s to Disputed Islands Near Japan
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    Post  franco Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:20 pm

    Read somewhere in the past couple of days that the USA have informed the residents of the Kuriles that they consider them citizens of Japan so they will need to get Japanese passports to travel to the US.  No

    EDIT: here is an article from TASS today in regards to this. Slightly different to story that I quoted from above. Variance is that they don't need Japanese passports just to claim they were born in Japan.

    https://tass.com/politics/1231885
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:20 pm

    franco wrote:Read somewhere in the past couple of days that the USA have informed the residents of the Kuriles that they consider them citizens of Japan so they will need to get Japanese passports to travel to the US.  No

    Guess nobody in Kuril Islands will be able to get to the US then. And anyway, that makes no difference since the land is under Russian control and the authorities can dismiss any citizens passport if they state they are japanese rather than Russian.

    Was that Navy base in Matua Island created?
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    Post  franco Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:39 pm

    Was that Navy base in Matua Island created?

    Not that I'm aware of. The focus has been on rebuilding the other military bases on Iturup & Kunashir.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:42 pm

    franco wrote:Was that Navy base in Matua Island created?

    Not that I'm aware of. The focus has been on rebuilding the other military bases on Iturup & Kunashir.

    I guess that is where the s-300V4 and those tanks are located?

    Yeah, it appears US is trying to goad a conflict in Kuril islands now.
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    Post  franco Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:49 pm

    Yeah, it appears US is trying to goad a conflict in Kuril islands now.

    This is a never ending world wide endeavor.

    I guess that is where the s-300V4 and those tanks are located?

    Yes, along with the permanently stationed machine gun artillery regiments, BAL and Bastion anti-ship missiles battalions and a new joint civilian military airport at Kurilsk.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:22 pm

    franco wrote:Yeah, it appears US is trying to goad a conflict in Kuril islands now.

    This is a never ending world wide endeavor.

    I guess that is where the s-300V4 and those tanks are located?

    Yes, along with the permanently stationed machine gun artillery regiments, BAL and Bastion anti-ship missiles battalions and a new joint civilian military airport at Kurilsk.

    I guess priority are those before they get the navy base. Which I look forward to.

    Also need to increase units stationed there. Maybe paratroopers since the airport at Kurilsk should handle Il-76's.
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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:02 pm

    Japan will really show to the world what a POS country it is. There was no ceasfire agreement that transferred the four islands back
    to Japan. Any treaty that Japan has with the US does not apply to the USSR and Russia. And clearly the four islands were lost by
    Japan during WWII and were not some peacetime invasion by the USSR.

    Japanese hair splitting about when it called for peace or some other shit is totally irrelevant. It is basically trying to impose peace-time
    rules on war-time. Japan has delusions of grandeur and might.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:58 pm

    I wonder what Russia's plans to increase opportunity in the Kuril Islands? I imagine there is lots of opportunity (mining especially) and yet I dont hear much.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:28 pm

    https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/145359-alaska_russians/
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:07 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/145359-alaska_russians/

    Yeap. Good response.

    It should go further though, state that Japanese in Japans northern province can be applied for Russian citizenship as they deem them Russian citizens.

    Troll them back hard.
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    Post  Isos Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:13 pm

    US statement is useless and only meant to piss off Biden mandat.

    Even Japan doesn't do it.

    Alaska was bought legally. Russia won't have it back (at least until USA fell apart like USSR).

    No one is paying attention to what US is doing right now since Trump has lost and those 2 last months are meaningless.
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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:03 pm

    Alaska was not bought but leased according to the original document. A lot of the natives there are orthodox christians and on good terms with Russia. Maybe Russia should offer them passports... Very Happy

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:13 pm

    pl. show me where it says it was leased. The RF gov. recently stated it was sold, not leased.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:06 pm

    Japan - Russia Kuril Islands dispute: - Page 4 TASS_29974964

    WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT THE KURIL ISLANDS, SINCE JAPAN IS TRYING SO HARD TO GET THEM

    There are 56 Islands in the Kuril chain, from Hokkaido in Japan to Kamchatka in Russia.

    In a previous article, I discussed whether Biden could influence Japan’s claim to the Russian Kuril Islands. But Japan does not need all the Islands, it lays claims only to Kunashir, Shikotan and Iturup. What’s so special about them?

    To begin with, these are the largest Islands of the Kuril archipelago. The total area of the three islands is 5,000 km2, which is equal to half of the total area of the archipelago (10,500 km2).

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    For islands of 5,000 km2, this is a pretty good result. Three Moscows could fit on these three.

    But this is the case when size does not matter.

    Beautiful wildlife, active volcanoes, waterfalls, rare animals (84 species are mentioned in the Red List) – this is of course a special highlight of the islands, but one can hardly buy the Japanese with this. They have enough of their own exotics.

    There must be something special in those lands for disputes to have not subsided for 75 years.

    First feature

    The Kuril Islands are one of the richest regions of the world’s oceans in terms of the number and diversity of marine life.

    Millions of tons of pollock, cod, herring, flounder, squid, crabs, shrimp and so on are caught there each year. One just can’t list them all.

    And in the period of August-October, tuna, mackerel, saury, and pink salmon enter the southern Kuril region. And this is the only place in Russia where one can catch tuna.

    Imagine how much sushi the Japanese could have if they had the opportunity to fish near the Kuril Islands.
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    Second feature

    On the island of Iturup is a rich deposit of rhenium. The rarity lies in the fact that all over the world this is the only deposit where rhenium is in the form of the mineral rheniite. In other cases, it can only be obtained by extracting it from other metals, as a passing component.
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    Rhenium is very resistant to high temperatures and chemicals.

    It can withstand a temperature of 2,200 degrees Celsius and does not deform in any way.

    Hence the scope of use of this superhero. Parts for rocket technology and sonic aircraft, combustion chambers, exhaust nozzles of jet engines – all of this is made thanks to rhenium.

    By the way, using rhenium as a catalyst, it is possible to produce high-octane (i.e. better quality) commercial gasoline.

    Now you understand what an important role rhenium plays in our industry. And how much the economy is facilitated by its deposits on our land.
    Due to low availability and high demand, rhenium is one of the most expensive metals, with 1 kg of rhenium costing between $1,000 and $10,000.

    Maybe it’s time to store your savings not in currency or gold, but in rhenium.

    The third feature

    The Sea of Okhotsk, or rather its bottom.

    In 2014, Russia was able to prove that the bottom of the Sea of Okhotsk is an extension of our land. This means that it is a territory of Russia.

    And this is an important event for us, because there is about 1 billion tons of oil there alone, while the annual oil production in Russia from all fields is about 0.5 billion tons.

    Studies have shown that oil lies at a depth of about 2 km under the sea floor. Even if we take into account the maximum depth of the Sea of Okhotsk, which is 4 km, the maximum depth of the well will be about 6 km. On land, the average depth of oil production is 5 km, and ultra-deep wells reach 12 km.

    But if the Kuril Islands go to Japan, they will have the right to extract minerals in the exclusive economic zone (370 km from the coast).

    In short, these seemingly ordinary Islands are so important for our country.

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/what-is-special-about-the-kuril-islands-since-japan-is-trying-so-hard-to-get-them/

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:17 pm


    No wonder Russia has been ordering fishing boats like crazy lately

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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:41 pm

    And a lot of the fish is bought by japanese companies. If just this nationalistic japanese politicians would grow up!
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:01 am

    Japan: scenarios of the war for the Kuril Islands
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3157336.html
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:10 am

    Japan will really show to the world what a POS country it is. There was no ceasfire agreement that transferred the four islands back
    to Japan. Any treaty that Japan has with the US does not apply to the USSR and Russia. And clearly the four islands were lost by
    Japan during WWII and were not some peacetime invasion by the USSR.

    Japanese hair splitting about when it called for peace or some other shit is totally irrelevant. It is basically trying to impose peace-time
    rules on war-time. Japan has delusions of grandeur and might.

    Normal procedure in war if the enemy does not capitulate is to continue to take land until they do... perhaps the Russians should invade the northern island of Japan... and then they can ask Japan if they want a peace treaty... they might consider handing that back... but no other islands....
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:20 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Japan will really show to the world what a POS country it is. There was no ceasfire agreement that transferred the four islands back
    to Japan. Any treaty that Japan has with the US does not apply to the USSR and Russia. And clearly the four islands were lost by
    Japan during WWII and were not some peacetime invasion by the USSR.

    Japanese hair splitting about when it called for peace or some other shit is totally irrelevant. It is basically trying to impose peace-time
    rules on war-time. Japan has delusions of grandeur and might.

    Normal procedure in war if the enemy does not capitulate is to continue to take land until they do... perhaps the Russians should invade the northern island of Japan... and then they can ask Japan if they want a peace treaty... they might consider handing that back... but no other islands....
    Hokkaido?

    Yeah, a good peace treaty would be japan is allowed to keep hokkaido and has to kick the pindos out of Okinawa.

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    Post  franco Tue May 04, 2021 12:57 pm

    The Japanese are in a panic: the Kurils will be more closely connected with the rest of Russia

    Why does the development of the Russian Far East infuriate our ill-wishers?

    Readers of the Japanese newspaper Hokkaido Shimbun reacted extremely negatively to reports about the appearance of new Russian ships in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk: they must connect Sakhalin Island with the islands of the South Kuril ridge, which are part of the Sakhalin Region. The Japanese reaction is quoted by RIA Novosti.

    The authors of the article spoke about the plans of the local authorities to launch the Admiral Nevelskoy cargo-passenger ferry. In addition, as previously noted in the press service of the Sakhalin Oblast government, the Pavel Leonov ship will soon start cruising in the same direction.

    However, Japanese readers, instead of rejoicing for their neighbors, greeted this news with hostility to the Arisaka rifle, since, in their opinion, the development of maritime traffic in the region finally “secures the islands of the South Kuril ridge to Russia” .

    "Admiral Nevelskoy" is a powerful tool for strengthening transport links between Sakhalin and the three northern islands - Iturup, Kunashir and Shikotan,  "wrote user MichiToyama .

    “Russia is striving to improve living conditions on the islands and is strengthening its presence there ,” greenmale66 noted .

    “I also agree with that. By its actions, Russia wants one thing: to strengthen its control over the islands , ”added hitomineye .

    And the user under the nickname yamadaikenkyuka was also outraged that Japan does not have sovereignty over these territories. “ The Japanese forget about reality and entertain themselves with illusions! Therefore, Russia is laughing at us! "  - he wrote.

    “You have to look at things realistically. And learn from history lessons! We cannot return the islands! "  - supported it by 99WmvG8IwrDqxOl .

    Will this music be eternal and will they never calm down? What kind of joint economic activity can we talk about if the Japanese are so negatively opposed to any steps aimed at the development of the Kuril Islands?

    But the launch of two new vessels will indeed become an important step in the development of the entire region ...

    “Currently, only the Igor Farkhutdinov motor ship, owned by a private company, follows the route from the port of Korsakov (Sakhalin) to Shikotan-Kunashir-Iturup,” explains Sergey Ponomarev, chairman of the Sakhalin branch of the Russian Geographical Society . - One trip one way is about 18 hours, so he walks back and forth once a week. But he is alone, he periodically needs repairs, replacement of the crew , etc. In addition, when the ice situation does not allow sea transportation, the Kuril Islands are completely dependent on aviation, whose work also depends significantly on weather conditions.
    So far, the sea communication of Sakhalin with the southern Kuril Islands is carried out only with the help of a small vessel "Igor Farkhutdinov", named in honor of the Sakhalin governor who died tragically in a plane crash.

    After the Admiral Nevelskoy arrived from the plant in St. Petersburg in April, we expect regular flights to begin in late May-early June, as soon as the crew is assembled. And in August-September we expect one more vessel of the same project.

    What is important, they will carry out not only passenger, but also cargo container transportation, which will give an impetus to the region's economy, allow supplying all sectors of the national economy, for example, delivering fresh food on time. In addition, the tourist flow will increase, it will be possible to quickly pick up servicemen who have served on the islands and deliver them to replace new recruits, as well as seasonal employees of fishing companies. We estimate that this will help triple the availability of the islands. After all, transport links have always been the main headache in our region.

    "SP":  - Why do the Japanese react so nervously?

    - The fact is that since 1992 there has been a steamship line between the Japanese Hokkaido and the South Kuriles (Kunashir and Shikotan), which transports delegates of the visa-free exchange program, which allows the inhabitants of the islands to travel to each other within the framework of an intergovernmental agreement to improve mutual understanding of the peoples of the two countries ...

    Over the entire period of its existence, more than 25 thousand people have already been transported. This is a definite plus. The downside is that you can go only as part of organized groups along a pre-agreed route. In fact, Japan remains closed for residents of the Kuriles. We have suggested many times to the Japanese authorities - make the line publicly available - people will be able to visit you more often, get to know your country better, after all, they will leave money with you, your citizens will be able to visit the graves of their ancestors in the Kuril Islands without restrictions. But the Japanese authorities will not agree to this. For them, this line is a way of psychological treatment of the inhabitants of the Kuriles.

    At the same time, the Japanese government spends millions of yen on the program. If approached wisely, Japan could significantly increase the degree of influence in the Kuril Islands. But they prefer to cultivate nostalgia for the lost islands, which they lost back in 1945, it's time to admit it ...

    “Russia has begun to invest in the development of territories, of course, the Japanese are unhappy,” notes the editor-in-chief of the FORUM portal. Moscow time Anatoly Baranov . - Back in the 90s they were waiting for the islands to fall into their hands on their own, well, maybe for a little corruption plan. But it doesn’t work, time passes, they get upset. Sooner or later, everyone will get used to the fact that the islands are Russian, and it will be ridiculous to demand them back.

    "SP": - Would it be better for the Japanese if the Kuril people would live in the Stone Age at all? Are they so weighed down by any change for the better in the region?

    - Yes, they don't care, it's just that the issue of the “northern territories” has become a kind of national idea, politicians depend on this demagogy. Well, imagine that the Germans would have demanded 70 years of Konigsberg from us. But the Germans acted smarter, and they no longer claim either Alsace or Lorraine, or Gdansk, or the Sudetenland. And the Japanese have "grown" such a dependence - something like this "grows" in the Ukrainian policy on the Crimea issue.

    "SP": - Commentators agreed that the development of maritime traffic in the region finally "secures the islands of the South Kuril ridge for Russia." Is it really so? And before that type, they had a better chance of getting the islands?

    - Well, of course, the ferry ties the islands to the shore on which they dock. If the Japanese were smarter, they would have long ago agreed to joint development, and the ferry to Japan is much closer.

    "SP": - The reader of the Japanese newspaper thinks that Russia is laughing at them. Does Russia laugh at someone? Doesn't Russia care what they think in Japan on this score?

    - Well, of course, we care, Japan is a valuable economic partner for us. But now China has grown enormously, and so has South Korea. Japan is beginning to lose in its region, and turning up its nose from Russia is not just unprofitable for it, it is deadly for it. But here comes into force this almost religious issue of the "northern territories". For the Japanese, this is a colossal problem.

    "SP": - When do you think they will calm down?

    - They cannot calm down themselves, they would be glad, but they cannot. They need to look for some acceptable solution within their own political reality. But there is a factor for the United States, which is now completely unprofitable for Japan's rapprochement with the Russian Federation. So the solution to the problem is not only in Tokyo.

    -  Ilya Kormiltsev wrote, and Vyacheslav Butusov sang: “This music will be eternal if I replace the batteries,” notes Andrey Dmitriev , the coordinator of the “Other Russia E. Limonov” party . - And so it is in the theme of the Kuril Islands. The Japanese have enough batteries, and they will always claim our territory and fiercely defend their right to own them, as well as the disputed Senkaku archipelago and the Koreans of Tok Island.

    The other day, the DPRK Foreign Ministry criticized the Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihede Suga for visiting the Yasukuni Shrine, where participants in the genocide of the Second World War are buried (and the Japanese committed atrocities in Korea and China cleaner than Hitlerites in Europe), and for approving school textbooks where the Tok islands are attributed to this country ... "Even 75 years after the defeat, the Japanese government cannot part with its militaristic past," the Juche state states, and it is difficult to disagree with this.

    It should be noted that this story received a new impetus with the coming to power of Joseph Biden in the United States . Prime Minister Yoshihede Suga became the first foreign guest to be received in Washington. The main vector here, of course, is anti-Chinese, but there is also an anti-Russian one. We have just seen a coordinated attack from Washington on Russia in Eastern Europe. It is likely that they will try to organize this in the Pacific region.

    "SP": - How do we react to all this?


    - Calm down. We need to develop infrastructure, improve life on the islands - the ferry is a step in the right direction here - and develop domestic tourism. Those who have been there (like the writer Alexander Prokhanov ) admired their beauty. And I would love to go with my wife and children, show them the eastern edge of our Motherland. But how much does it cost? Looked offhand - for the May holidays, only an air ticket from St. Petersburg to Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk with a transfer costs 30 thousand rubles per person. And all the questions disappear at once ... It turns out that not so much the Japanese are dangerous as the domestic capitalists, thanks to whom the Kuriles are not quite ours even now.

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