aksha wrote:as an indian i will beleive WHAT THE CAG SAYS
Yes, then you believe that Arjun MKI have LOST the comparative trials : 75.01 for T-90S against 72.46 for Arjun MKI , to the exact contrary of what sustained for years by mercenary indian media operators.
Even in the area
(fire power) where its much more up-to-date vectronic suit should have given to it a wide advantage over its opponent
, even discounting the
advantage of T-90S
in missile firing capability
(that is already operational since day one, tested and included in its cost.....a very low cost), the difference would have amounted instead to a bit more than a single point , 25.77 to 24.50, in Arjun favour
, if you put the exact same tank crew, before, in a T-90S and
,after, in a modernized one, T-90MS with "Kalina"
(...... for not name something much, much more advanced in work for new unified heavy brigade family
), in the same trials the final results would have been crushingly lopsided in T-90MS favour
.What Indian tax-payers should ask to CAG is to publish the results
(that someone know....
) in the other area of the trial
,so that public opinion could become aware if
in those comparative trials Arjun would have gained the upper hand even in only ONE of them
Even more Indian taxpayers should pretend from CAG to point out why Indian MoD do not order a SERIOUS comparative trials, taking into account all truly cardinal characteristics of the two weapon platforms in a possible large scale war scenario ,instead of one like that in 2010 clearly conceived to allow the Arjun, and its enormous baggage of inherent western design-related disadvantages, to lose of only few points.
This is what is call an even playing field : https://www.russiadefence.net/t2333p570-t-90-mbt-news
1) Force the platoon of Arjun to come to the testing range using the same, identical number (and occupy the same, identical space aboard) of Indian strategic mobilization assets - aircraft, train, ship, tractor trailers etc… -required to the 14 T-90S , so to render evident the simply crushing strategic mobilization speed overmatch and the crucial sector force density in the event of a war, between T-90S and Arjun.
2) Provide the 14 Arjun’s platoon with the same ,identical Indian Army human resources -42 tankers and not 33% more as required by the Arjun ,cause its western genetic pool heritage- required to the T-90S platoon , with also the same identical furniture for them (food, coverage, energy generators, clothes etc….) and with the related carrying vehicles. The results will be very interesting……
3) Measure the exact distance covered by the 14 Arjun platoon with the same identical amount of fuel provided to the T-90S, at the same conditions. Moreover Indian Army should also provide the two groups with the same ,identical number of fuel resupply vehicles for the entire duration of the trials so to simulate repeated fuel resupply in time of war and measure the total distance covered by the two groups. I manage already now to figure the faces….
4) Provide the two groups with equal number of repair vehicles with fixed number ,volume and weight of spare parts (at example replacement for damaged armor blocks , ERA tiles, transmission, engines, axis, tracks ,rollers, tires etc… within a prefixed volume and weight limit) so to simulate logistical needs in response to battle and environmental damages for conflicts of different duration. The result would be very, very interesting.
5) Measure the weight , fuel/oil requirement and strategic lift requirements for all the auxiliary engineering vehicles ( recovering vehicles, bridging vehicles, amphibious fording etc) supporting the operation of the two MBT’s groups of different weight .
6) Let both group to transverse different roads , canals bridges ,and enemy over-ditch passages representative of both national and potential enemy ones and take account of how many of them sustain their weight ( with good peace of the comically abused nominal ground pressure argument).
7) Last but not least : produce three-dimensional targets with the exact 3D size of the two tanks and conduct the fire at the shooting range allowing those targets to move ,exactly as in the reality, changing continuously and in a totally arbitrary way their speed and direction long different land morphology . That would allow also to simulate the different capability to change more and more faster those variables by part of the two tanks in reason of the different torque potential available ,the different inertial mass and the maximum solicitation limit for the suspensions) and video-record the entire fire session. At the end of it measure with precision the number and placement of any hit and, from the video recording, the distance and direction of any miss. The cold results of a similar realistic test would cause majority of easily gullible “tin-can yelling” zombies to fall in complete depression, even more because would become immediately evident the dramatic effects that similar huge difference in target area would have in the exchange ratio between peer opponent employing MBT constructed around the two different philosophy.
Try to read post 268 https://www.russiadefence.net/t2333p255-t-90-mbt-news
Arjun is an important project for India, not for its inherent military value, but for the technological experience in developing a domestic MBT; under this point of view the selection of a western-like design, obviously much less efficient, but much more simple and less problematic ,having less volumetric constrictions , was a good choice.
That, of course, do not cancel the hard reality that any serious general or military scientist know......is sufficient to see the technical requirement and limits that Indian MoD has put for the FMBT