Strategic Rocket Forces (RVSN): Discussion & News

Vann7 wrote: What i will do if Russia see US continues its hostilities and continue financing terror ,and shutding down Russian civilian Airplanes or attempts on Putin life, and continues militarization of europe and deploying nuclear weapons near Russia.  is to leave all weapons international agreements and start a weapon race. Build for example something like 100,000 to 300,000 kaliber cruise missiles with 5,000km to 10,000km range and build them with the easy option to arm them with nuclear warheads if needed.  and have ready all setup in hidden land based launchers..with the capability to launch them all at same time. And when Russia feel a nuclear war will happen and only force can solve it.. then launch enough missiles to decapitate
the western leadership and their military facilities and economic zones.  So if for example Russia needs to fight Turkey.. and know it can avoid the war.. Russia can launch thousands of Cruise missiles at them (at the same time) and hit the 1,000 to 3,000 important targets in that country withing half an hour and competely decapitate that nation military and leadership in less than one hour. that by the time they discover they are at war.. they will have no plane or tank left or military base standing.

Then deploy many thousands of nuclear missiles in CUba with nuclear warheads underground and others and build many merchant ships that could fire thousands of cruise missiles . and more importantly Russia needs to disperse on its territory all their important military installations if possible all underground and have all its borders fully covered with hundreds of tanks in case of an invasion. .

Very true as for assumptions wrt peace loving exceptional nation unfortunately such solution has 2 painful disadvantages:

a) time of flight - measured in hours in time when 10mins matters (unless preemptive stealh strike)

b) The cost component of such amount of cruise missiles would kill Russian economy making Russia down without any war.


IMHO the only way is an asymmetric response what Russia actually is doing. Tsunami torpedoes, missile trains Iskanders is first part, IMHO next will be sea-bed and/or airborne launched missiles probably space nukes and hypersonic, non ballistic, delivery vehicles.

Tsunami torpedoes seem to be exceptional price/value tool to keep US at bay - all navy bases large industrial cities are "taken care off". UK, Hawaii, Benelux or Norway is no exception here. Obviously a harbored merchant ship with 200 nuked klubs near Nicaragua Canal does not hurt. Russia

Werewolf wrote:

McCain-Leonid meteor shower

George1 wrote:It was an SS-25 launch

That's right George. Just that I could not find a thread for SS-25. In case such a thread exists will you please move my above question to that thread. Thanks.

with all the dumb fkery the US and NATO are doing to destroy Russia both internally and externally, Russia should take a more tougher response! maybe pull out from the treaty that prohibits nuke weapons in space and start reviving FOBS weapons, make life more horrifying for NATO that any more stupid move from them will lead to global extinction! I hate how events are unfolding now, Russia should really work on crashing the US economy, I dont care what scaremongers say about the severe global consequences of a bankrupt USA, just make it happen and deal with the consequences when the monster is gone.

Project Canada wrote:with all the dumb fkery the US and NATO are doing to destroy Russia both internally and externally, Russia should take a more tougher response! maybe pull out from the treaty that prohibits nuke weapons in space and start reviving FOBS weapons, make life more horrifying for NATO that any more stupid move from them will lead to global extinction! I hate how events are unfolding now, Russia should really work on crashing the US economy, I dont care what scaremongers say about the severe global consequences of a bankrupt USA, just make it happen and deal with the consequences when the monster is gone.

I am also fan of of FOBS as good way to have lever against NATO homeland countries. Not against military but to make sure all Europe will be radioactive desert if bandits attack Russia.

As you see in my signature IMHO best opportunity to keep US at bay is to have nukes powerful enough to trigger Yellowstone super-volcano. Below map of destruction zone. USA really screwed then...

And your signature is factually incorrect, more of a wet dream.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Project Canada wrote:with all the dumb fkery the US and NATO are doing to destroy Russia both internally and externally, Russia should take a more tougher response! maybe pull out from the treaty that prohibits nuke weapons in space and start reviving FOBS weapons, make life more horrifying for NATO that any more stupid move from them will lead to global extinction! I hate how events are unfolding now, Russia should really work on crashing the US economy, I dont care what scaremongers say about the severe global consequences of a bankrupt USA, just make it happen and deal with the consequences when the monster is gone.

I am also fan of of FOBS as good way to have lever against NATO homeland countries. Not against military but to make sure all Europe will be radioactive desert if bandits attack Russia.

As you see in my signature IMHO best opportunity to keep US at bay is to have nukes powerful enough to trigger Yellowstone super-volcano. Below map of destruction zone. USA really screwed then...

Actually for such event to happen you would need to place nuclear warhead couple hundred m under the surface of Yellowstone and then to detonate it.

Militarov wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
As you see in my signature IMHO best opportunity to keep US at bay is to have nukes powerful enough to trigger Yellowstone super-volcano. Below map of destruction zone. USA really screwed then...

Actually for such event to happen you would need to place nuclear warhead couple hundred m under the surface of Yellowstone and then to detonate it.

Well I presume that neither you nor myself are geologists and nuclear physicists. It is not my idea I just am fan of it if possible make such trigger if would create devastation zones on more then 50% of US. Rest traditional nukes and tsunamis.

Quite cost effective solution in case of Russia´s cost of arms race.

max steel wrote:And your signature is factually incorrect, more of a wet dream.

Why not correct if may I ask?

max steel wrote:https://www.russiadefence.net/t4000-the-role-of-geology-in-a-rus-us-nuclear-exchange

I moved there thx:)

Russian Strategic Missile Force new control system to retarget missiles instantly — source
Military & Defense
December 17, 14:45 UTC+3
The system will being put into operation starting next year

MOSCOW, December 17. /TASS/. A new automated system of the Russian Strategic Missile Force’s combat control will help retarget intercontinental ballistic missiles ‘instantly’ before their launch, a source in Russia’s General Staff told TASS on Thursday.

Strategic Missile Force Commander Sergey Karakayev said on Wednesday the troops had received a new combat control system to promptly retarget missiles. The system will start to be put into operation from next year, he added.

"The talk is about retargeting Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles immediately before their launch when a need arises suddenly to deliver a strike against other unplanned targets due to a sharp change in the situation. In this case, the new control system will enter new target coordinates into a missile in a remote control mode instantly to destroy the targets," the source said.

If a missile has been launched, it can’t be retargeted, the source said. Today not a single nuclear power has such technology, the source added.

Russia Develops Automated Re-targeting Control System For ICBMs

Russia’s new automated system will help retarget intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) instantly before the launch.“The new system will be put into operation from next year. The Russian Strategic Missile Force’s combat troops had received a new combat control system to promptly retarget missiles,” Strategic Missile Force Commander Sergey Karakayev was quoted as saying by TASS news agency Thursday. "The talk is about retargeting Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles immediately before their launch when a need arises suddenly to deliver a strike against other unplanned targets due to a sharp change in the situation.

In this case, the new control system will enter new target coordinates into a missile in a remote control mode instantly to destroy the targets," the news agency quoted an unnamed source as saying.

If a missile has been launched, it can’t be retargeted, the source said. Today not a single nuclear power has such technology, the source added.

In 2016, the Rocket Forces plan to conduct 16 ICBM launches


According to Karakayev's interview, two of them will be life extension launches and 14 - development.

Dmitry Rogozin: “The United States can destroy a few hours up to 90% of our nuclear capability“

http://kalevholland.planet.ee/russia-will-lose-the-war-for-america-360-minutes

“For more than a decade in the United States worked out the concept of Prompt Global Strike. It provides striking non-nuclear weapons at any point on the planet in one hour, “- Rogozin said. “According to a war game conducted by the Pentagon at the end of last year, with the help of 3.5-4 thousand. Units of US precision weapons can destroy 6 hours basic infrastructure facilities of the enemy and prevent him to resist,” – he added.

He is clearly incorrect and trying to scare for more funding (very common tactic).  The anti ballistic threat from US is a joke since you yourself posted the documents on the success rates and they were clearly pathetic, even against old Scud missiles.  Could it eliminate 90% of Russia's ICBM's?  No.  Could it remove 30%?  No.  Most ICBM's operate in a field greater than what these anti ballistic missile systems can do.  They are decent against Scuds and maybe some later variants, but clearly not against a Topol-M.

Theoretically, if it could remove 90% of Russia's ICBM's, the remaining 10% would cause so much damage and havoc that no one is stupid enough to try it anyway.

Would be helpful if the owner of that site (which is questionable at best) would at least provide a link.  I do when I reference nearly anything.

Edit: So Rogozin is stating what US experts think. Problem is, all of us are aware of the high failure rates. Just look at Saudi Arabia and its conflict with Tunisia. How many rockets bypassed the SM-3 system and hit their intended targets?

Point of the matter is that these ABM systems are greatly overblown. But after re-reading the article, he is clearly pushing an agenda which is evident by his demands to communicate with the military industrial commission on getting joint work down with Universities. I think his wish came true as I have read a week or so ago about work on MiC with universities and the Russian "DARPA".

Militarov wrote:http://russianforces.org in general is full of crap and BS, every month they release article on some USSR project from 80s/70s being revived, and not a single word about it anywhere else. Clickbiters.

Pavel Podvig is a liberast 5th column clown. The purpose of that site is engage in anti-Russian psyops. Much like Zak's Russianspaceweb
which poses as one thing but pushes the Atlanticist agenda.

Austin wrote:I dont think the news of cancellation of Rail Based ICBM is true , just few days back they mentioned they were training crew for that system.

Lets hear the official verison , Pavel lately has been aggresively part of Atlantist agenda  , His pay master must have told him so.

Else who post news like Bulava test failed when there is no offical information of bulava launch

http://russianforces.org/blog/2016/03/salvo_bulava_launch_from_vladi.shtml

Take a look at this one:

In fact, according to a recent report Izvestia, which quotes its sources, the second missile failed as well - the missile self-destructed at some point after launch. After the failure all missiles were reportedly removed from the submarine and sent to the Votkinsk plant for a check-up. Izvestia is hardly the most reliable sources, but there is no particular reason not to believe this report. The ministry of defense, of course, reported complete success at the time, but that appears to be incorrect.

So the ministry of defense states it was a success with a video showing two launches from that day, and then this moron then claims do not believe it, believe Izvestia who has a track record of BS, with no evidence?

Edit: So I got angry reading that stupid comment of the authors so I decided to register and provide this:

@ Frank Shuler

This is a load of BS and of course, the author of this website provides absolutely no proof. Pure speculations on everything and it is pretty pathetic. Here is the problem - The Izvestia article is incoherent as mentioned before, and it provides no sources or any data to back up. Then the author admits that Izvestia is a poor source. But then when the MoD provides a video showing the launches and talk of it, for some reason, we are lead to believe that the izvestia article is true just because the author states:

"but there is no particular reason not to believe this report"

and

"reported complete success at the time, but that appears to be incorrect."

So, author, what exactly is the reason to believe a two bit media outlet like izvestia that provides nothing (neither do yourself) over the MoD that provides even a video of the launches? Because you said so and that is it?

As well, just a note, please start using not only real sources, but also provide some sort of linkage to your sources for all other data. Otherwise, makes yourself look like a two bit journalist.

It is awaiting mod approval. For some reason I don't think it will happen.

Russia developing new ICBMs capable of overcoming US missile shield

According to the official, threats from the US missile defense system in Europe do not critically reduce combat capabilities of the Russian Strategic Missile Forces.

Russia is developing new intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) with special attention paid to their ability to penetrate the US missile shield, Russia’s Strategic Missile Force (SMF) Commander Sergey Karakayev said on Tuesday.

Russia is currently carrying out active work on improving its means of overcoming the missile shield, he said.

"This is conditioned by the fact that the United States is not stopping after what it has achieved and continues improving its missile defense system, including the deployment of its elements in Europe. That is why, special attention in the development of new missile complexes is paid to the issue of overcoming the missile shield," Karakayev said.

Capabilities of Russian ballistic missiles increase "by reducing ICBM’s acceleration section, introducing new types of warheads with the flight path that is difficult to predict and new means of overcoming the missile defense system," Karakayev went on. Russian missiles are also capable of delivering warheads via energy optimal trajectory and of striking from multiple directions, "which forces the opposing side to ensure perimeter missile defense," he concluded.

"This is achieved both through the ICBM’s shorter acceleration phase and new types of warheads with a hard-to-predict flight trajectory and new means of overcoming the missile shield," the commander said.

According to the official, threats from the US missile defense system in Europe do not critically reduce combat capabilities of the Russian Strategic Missile Forces because Russian missiles are constantly upgraded.

"Threats from the European segment of missile defense system for SMF are limited and do not critically reduce combat capabilities of SMF," Karakayev said.

Strategic Missile Forces to have equal number of mobile, stationary ICBM launchers by 2021

Kartakayev said that Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces will have an equal number of stationary and mobile ground ICBM launchers by 2021.
"Considering the ratios of stationary and mobile groupings of the Strategic Missile Forces, it can be noted that at the turn of 2021, the quantitative indicators of these groupings will come to equal each other. However, the capabilities of the stationary grouping will continue to be higher due to the availability of heavy missiles," the commander said.


Yars missile systems to make half of Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces

The official has also noted that the Yars missile systems will make up half of the total effective combat strength of the Russian Strategic Missile Forces by 2021.

"By late 2021, the Yars missile system will make up about half of the SMF effective combat strength," he said.
According to him, practically all the mobile land-based missile divisions will be rearmed with this system, and the Tatishchevo (partly) and Kozelsk missile divisions will get the silo-based version of the Yars system.

"The Yars missile system will form the basis of the forces’ mobile grouping. The SMF rearming with this system will offset the forces’ effective combat strength cuts at the turn of 2021 due to the forced decommissioning of the Topol mobile ground missile system the operating life of which will expire by the time, he said.

According to him, a large number of combat equipment versions of the new missile systems Yars in conjunction with modern antimissile defense suppression systems installed on them will considerably improve capabilities of the advanced mobile grouping.

Previously, Strategic Missile Force commander’s aide, Colonel General Viktor Yesin said that it is planned to fully equip all missile divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces with the Yars and Yars-M mobile ground missile systems with the RS-26 missile in 2021.

The RS-24 Yars is Russia’s new intercontinental ballistic missile. It is an improved version of the previous Topol-M. It is known in the West as SS-29. It uses the same 16x16 wheeled chassis as the Topol-M. Externally it looks similar. However it carries an improved, heavier missile.

The Yars was developed both as a road-mobile and silo-based system, that would use the same missile. It was first tested in 2007 and was adopted by the Russian Strategic Missile Forces in 2010.

No new major test sites



Karakayev has also pointed out that there are no plans for creating any more major test sites for ICBMs, but the emergence of mobile test facilities is a possibility.

"Of late, there was a boom in the development of systems monitoring the tests of our missiles and special weapons, which allow for tracking the entire flight path of the delivery vehicles and warheads. This does not suit us for obvious reasons. Nevertheless, there are no immediate plans for creating more major test sites," he said.

Karakayev said progress in digital information technologies, measurement means and the testing base allowed for the creation of re-deployable test complexes.

"Moreover, the legal and regulatory base will allow the Strategic Missile Force to alienate for certain periods of time and use new required areas where dummy warheads might fall. Moreover, economically this is more feasible," he said.


Russia’s strategic missile force to have 70% of advanced weapons by 2018



According to Karakayev, the share of the strategic missile force’s advanced hardware will reach 70% by 2018.

"The successful implementation of rearmament measures will build up the share of advanced missile complexes from 56% this year to 70% by January 1, 2018 and to 100% by 2022," he said.

Karakayev said that the pace of the strategic missile force’s rearmament was established with due regard for the emergence of new types of missiles defenses, the withdrawal of previous generation inter-continental ballistic missiles from operation, compliance with international contracts and the capabilities of Russia’s arms manufacturing industry.

"In any case, the priority task of all rearmament plans is to guarantee the strategic missile force’s capability to cope with diversified nuclear deterrence tasks," Karakayev said.


Sarmat, Voyevoda heavy ICBM to four times excel light-class missiles

Tactical effectiveness of the grouping of the Voyevoda and Sarmat heavy stationary intercontinental ballistic missiles is four times higher than that of the light-class Topol-M and Yars stationary missiles, Commander of the Russian Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) Colonel General Sergei Karakayev told journalists on Tuesday.

"The performance of the stationary grouping of the heavy ICBM (of the Voyevoda or Sarmat class) will four times surpass that of the stationary grouping of the light-class ICBM (Topol-M, Yars) by all the RVSN grouping tactical effectiveness parameters," he said.

The RS-28 Sarmat is the state-of-the-art heavy liquid-propelled ICBM currently being developed for the Russian army.It is designed to replace the old Soviet R-36M missiles Voyevoda, codenamed Satan by NATO, as the heavy silo-based component of Russia's nuclear deterrence. The RS-28 has been in development since 2009 and is scheduled to start replacing the old ICBMs in 2018.

http://www.therussophile.org/russia-to-revive-missile-trains-as-u-s-launches-european-defense-system.html/

"An on-site inspection by U.S. nuclear arms inspectors in Russia this April has raised a few red flags. American inspectors were unable to verify if the Topol mobile intercontinental ballistic missiles slated for elimination were properly disposed. Both sides signed the New START treaty in 2010 which limits the total number of missiles and bombers deployed by each side to 700.
During the inspection, the U.S. side was only allowed to see the missile canisters. It was also discovered that the missile components were unbolted from their launchers instead of being cut into pieces."

Source: http://alert5.com/2016/06/10/u-s-inspectors-werent-able-to-verify-if-russia-had-properly-eliminated-topol-icbms/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Russian Armageddon Convoy Practices for World War III


The largest country in the world by area, Russia has plenty of room to hide things. Naturally, that includes nuclear missiles. Unlike American missiles, which are stationed in concrete silos, Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) are deployed on large truck-like vehicles designed to prowl the country's road networks before unleashing Armageddon.

Russia Today has a story on a Russian strategic missile exercise that involves a massive convoy traveling from European-Russian border all the way to the Mongolian border. Russian mobile ICBMs have established, permanent bases but leave in groups on month-long patrols. This particular 400-vehicle convoy includes Topol, Topol-M, and Yars mobile missiles, as well as command and control, security, and logistics vehicles.

Topol and Yars missiles are capable of delivering one to four nuclear warheads within roughly a thousand feet of their target, making them accurate enough to destroy American missiles in their silos. This makes them a formidable first-strike weapon capable of wiping out a significant part of the US nuclear arsenal, if the Russians were so inclined.

The giant vehicles are TELs, or transporter-erector-launchers, specialized vehicles designed to give a heavy missile a smooth ride over rough roads. TELs not only store the missile but can launch it in the field. The launch tubes can be reloaded back at base (assuming, of course, there is a base to return to). The smaller vehicles are logistic, communications, and command and control vehicles.

Mobile ICBMs are vulnerable to ground attack, particularly enemy special forces who may attempt to destroy the missiles before they are launched. The convoy relies upon a Taifun-M armored reconnaissance vehicle to detect ambushes on the ground. Taifun-M bristles with sensors, including forward-looking infra-red, radar, and traditional optics, and can allegedly detect enemy troops at 3 kilometers.

Also part of the convoy is a tracked robotic vehicle equipped with a machine gun. The unmanned vehicle can more quickly close with an enemy threat and eliminate it before the enemy can shoot at the giant, highly flammable rockets with nuclear warheads strapped to them.We've said it before, and we'll say it again: these mobile ICBMs are terrifying.