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    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:59 pm

    Israel Deploys Iron Dome Batteries, Braces for Hezbollah Retaliation

    Israel has deployed several Iron Dome anti-missile batteries along its northern border bracing for possible attacks from Hezbollah, after six fighters of the militant group were killed during the raid on the Golan Heights on Sunday, January 18.

    Israeli troops patrol the Israeli-occupied sector of the Golan Heights on January 18, 2015. An Israeli helicopter carried out a strike today against terrorists in the Syrian sector of the Golan Heights who were allegedly preparing an attack on Israel, an Israeli security source said.

    MOSCOW, January 20 (Sputnik), Ekaterina Blinova — Israel defense forces are on high alert after Iranian military men and six Hezbollah fighters were killed during the raid on the side of the Golan Heights, controlled by Syria, on Sunday.

    "Hezbollah claims Israel carried out Sunday's strike on the Syrian side of the Golan Heights, which killed a prominent Hezbollah fighter, a senior Iranian general, and five other Hezbollah members. Israel has neither confirmed nor denied its role in the strike," the Associated Press reported.

    Citing UN spokesman Farhan Haq, Agence France-Presse reveals, however, that UN peacekeepers in the Golan saw "two unmanned aerial vehicles flying from the Alpha (Israeli) side and crossing the ceasefire line" on Sunday. "An hour later, smoke was observed coming from the general direction of position 30," Haq said, adding that the drones were seen flying over the "position 30" area and "again crossing the ceasefire line."

    Haaretz, an Israeli media outlet, reports that Hezbollah parliament member Kamal Rifai slammed Jerusalem for the attack and warned it about the possible retaliation.

    "Hezbollah and its leadership have the smarts, the resources and the capability to respond accordingly, after taking into consideration the political-security situation of Lebanon and the region at large," Kamal Rifai said in an interview with Lebanese media.

    The Sunday's strike claimed the lives of six Hezbollah members, including Golan coordinator Jihad Mughniyeh, the son of Imad Mughniyeh – a prominent Hezbollah operative. The media outlet points out that Iranian General Mohammed Allahdadi was also killed during the assault together with five Iranian military servicemen.

    General Ali Jafaari, commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corp, stated on Tuesday that "Zionists" would face "devastating thunderbolts," stressing that the deaths of Allahdaddi and Jihad Mughniyeh had become "a new opening point for the collapse of the Zionist regime."

    In response, Jerusalem has deployed several "Iron Dome" anti-missile batteries along its northern border and intensified surveillance in the region, the Associated Press reports, citing Israeli officials.

    "The IDF [Israel Defense Forces] is prepared, tracking all developments, and ready to act as needed. This statement is not simply a speech — it's a matter of real operational preparedness," Israel Defense Forces' Chief of Staff Benny Gantz said as quoted by the Times of Israel.

    It is worth mentioning that since the beginning of the Syrian war, Israel has allegedly conducted several airstrikes against Syria, targeting its advanced military systems.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:40 pm

    Iron Dome is Not Enough Protection for Israel – Air Force Commander

    The commander of the Israeli Air Force believes the country’s much-touted Iron Dome air defense system cannot fully protect Israel and its citizens.

    Feb. 25, 2013 - The Israel Missile Defense Organization (IMDO) and the U.S. Missile Defense Agency (MDA) completed a successful flight test of the Arrow-3 interceptor missile.

    Maj. Gen. Amir Eshel said the Israeli public's expectation that Iron Dome will protect the entire country is unrealistic – “we won't see results like Protective Edge again,” Israeli newspaper reports.

    The statement is a surprising break from previous Israeli assurances that the Iron Dome, arguably one of the most talked about defense systems in the world, has a 90 percent success rate.

    Israeli officials say the defense "shield" is able to detect an incoming rocket, determine its path and likely point of impact, and intercept it if it poses a threat to Israeli towns or cities.

    Israel claims that of the purported 3,500 rockets fired from Gaza during its latest military operation, 90 percent of those that would have hit population centers were shot down by the Iron Dome system.

    But experts outside of the country have questioned the efficiency of the system.

    "In order for Iron Dome to have any chance of detonating the rocket warheads, it must engage from the front," wrote Richard Lloyd, a warhead designer, in a recently declassified 28-page technical report obtained by Al Jazeera.

    In other words, the Iron Dome missiles must approach rockets head-on, or the probability of interception drops to virtually zero. This is due to the nature of the interceptors' warhead, which is not in the nose of the missile but a third of the length down.

    When very close to its target, the interceptor will detonate, sending a shower of steel rods out to the side of the missile to destroy the rocket. The only way these rods can successfully hit a rocket warhead is when the interceptor comes up to meet the rocket and passes just by it.

    Attempting to hit the rocket side-on will have virtually no chance of success.

    The Iron Dome is an air defense system developed by Rafael Advanced Defense System, designed to intercept short-range rockets and mortar shells.

    Israel deployed the system first in the south in April 2011 to intercept rockets from the Gaza Strip.

    The system uses cameras and radar to track incoming rockets and is supposed to shoot them down within seconds of their launch.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150309/1019249829.html#ixzz3TzBW4OCK

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    Post  max steel on Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:49 pm

    Israel test-fires ‘David’s Sling’ missile defense system  

    In an ongoing effort to boost its missile defenses, Israel has recently been testing its David’s Sling anti-ballistic missile system.  A number of recent David’s Sling missile tests – the most recent one this Tuesday – have been a great success, the Homa Directorate at the Defense Ministry and the American Missile Defense Agency (MDA) announced Wednesday.

    “This is a unique weapons system: the interceptor is small and agile,” Homa Directorate chief Yair Ramati said. “The system should be introduced to the Israeli Air Force (IAF) by next year.”

    Also known as the “Magic Wand,” the short-range ballistic missile defense system, designed to intercept medium range missiles from nearby Gaza, Syria, and Lebanon, has been jointly developed the between the Pentagon contractor and by Israel's Rafael Advanced Defense Systems .

    http://rt.com/news/246093-israel-tests-david-sling/

    video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p9rFCkX_aKQ


    To those who are saying iron dome works fine must know that Iron Dome is an anti-missile system developed by Israel to defend against Grad and Qassam rockets fired by insurgents and terrorist groups. These rockets have a typical velocity of about 675 meters per second, or approximately 0.4 miles per second. Thanks for your detailed bifurcation on Iron Dome .



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    Post  max steel on Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:27 pm

    Lets have a detailed discussion on Israel's missiles . Like Arrow and Barak etc .
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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:00 pm

    max steel wrote: Israel test-fires ‘David’s Sling’ missile defense system  

    In an ongoing effort to boost its missile defenses, Israel has recently been testing its David’s Sling anti-ballistic missile system.  A number of recent David’s Sling missile tests – the most recent one this Tuesday – have been a great success, the Homa Directorate at the Defense Ministry and the American Missile Defense Agency (MDA) announced Wednesday.

    “This is a unique weapons system: the interceptor is small and agile,” Homa Directorate chief Yair Ramati said. “The system should be introduced to the Israeli Air Force (IAF) by next year.”

    Also known as the “Magic Wand,” the short-range ballistic missile defense system, designed to intercept medium range missiles from nearby Gaza, Syria, and Lebanon, has been jointly developed the between the Pentagon contractor and by Israel's Rafael Advanced Defense Systems .

    http://rt.com/news/246093-israel-tests-david-sling/

    video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p9rFCkX_aKQ


    To those who are saying iron dome works fine must know that Iron Dome is an anti-missile system developed by Israel to defend against Grad and Qassam rockets fired by insurgents and terrorist groups. These rockets have a typical velocity of about 675 meters per second, or approximately 0.4 miles per second. Thanks for your detailed bifurcation on Iron Dome .



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    I remember an arguement I had with some of the local raging fanboi on mp.net, about how the David's Sling is some wunderwaffe, and will be able to shoot down Iskander-M IRBMs lol!

    If it's designed to shoot down some home-made or Iranian SRBMs; it won't do shit against the Iskander-M.

    This is also obvious by the details offered. "small and agile interceptor" - this is completely not the kind of interceptor you would need to shoot down a large IRBM that travels at speeds well into the hypersonic range and has the capability to manuever during the terminal stage of its trajectory. A small and agile interceptor will not have the speed neccessery to engage the Iskander, nor probably even the warhead to take it out (recall the ineffectiveness of earlier PAC-3 Patriot systems against Saddam's SCUDs in '91)
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    Post  max steel on Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:11 pm

    So it's effective against all Iran cruise missiles ?
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:38 pm

    max steel wrote:So it's effective against all Iran cruise missiles ?


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    Post  max steel on Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:32 pm

    ?
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    Post  George1 on Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:40 am

    max steel wrote:Lets have a detailed discussion on Israel's missiles . Like Arrow and Barak etc .

    we already have it Smile
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:42 am

    Cruise missile does not equal ballistic missile...
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    Post  max steel on Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:20 pm

    where ?
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    Post  George1 on Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:37 pm

    max steel wrote:where ?

    in this topic friend we are talking now
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    Post  max steel on Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:06 am

    Defense Ministry cagy on Arrow test results



    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.626605



    Israel’s Ministry of Defense and the U.S. Department of Defense’s Missile Defense Agency conducted on September 9 a test of the Arrow 2 missile defense system, but the Israeli agency has been less than forthcoming about the results of the launches.

    The tests were held in the Palmahim area, along Israel’s southern Mediterranean coast south of Tel Aviv and north of Ashdod.


    Within hours after the September test launch a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry claimed the Arrow interceptor missile failed to hit the Sparrow target missile.

    The target missile was later recovered from the sea after falling into the water.
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    Post  victor1985 on Fri May 29, 2015 2:16 pm

    I saw on internet some informations about david sling. This are the specifications for the stunner missile which will be used to david sling

    Mass 160 kg , range 300 km , speed 7,5 mach , price 1milion $
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    Post  victor1985 on Fri May 29, 2015 2:20 pm

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    Flight ceiling 50–75 Km
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    AESA Millimeter 3D Radar + Dual Electro-Optical / (FPA) / Imaging Infrared (CCD/IIR) Seeker + Advanced Asymmetric 360 Degree Multi Seeker Sensor Engagement + 3 Way Data Link With Advanced Real-time Automatic and Manual Re-targeting Capability + Advanced ECCM & IRCCM
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    Post  victor1985 on Fri May 29, 2015 2:20 pm

    So..its said it can beat iskander...
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    Post  max steel on Fri May 29, 2015 2:52 pm

    victor1985 wrote:So..its said it can beat iskander...

    Nope .SCUD-mimicks are no Iskander. Though many israel-us fanboys think 4th gen PAC and Sling can intercept them .

    How these interceptors will behave in real scenario because during tests you know from where the target missile will be fired .
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    Post  victor1985 on Fri May 29, 2015 3:27 pm

    Problems whit all kind of missiles can be resolved whit emp. Now how strong the emp pulse would be? Well using cristals and quartz materials the waves (we know that all waves are maked from photons) could be amplified. Now just put around a radar or a emp or a jamming thing such cristals and the waves would be amplified. In the future long range ECW sistems , radars an so on will exist. And the stunner being a missile has limited options in terms of electronic war.
    Also if we put to a helicopter or aircraft a lair of such materials that decrease wave frecvency would mean resistance to radar and EW.
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    Post  victor1985 on Fri May 29, 2015 3:30 pm

    max steel wrote:
    victor1985 wrote:So..its said it can beat iskander...

    Nope .SCUD-mimicks are no Iskander. Though many israel-us fanboys think 4th gen PAC and Sling can intercept them .

    How these interceptors will behave in real scenario because during tests you know from where the target missile will be fired .
    Well yes. But specifications on web show is a powerfull rocket
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    Post  nemrod on Fri May 29, 2015 4:23 pm

    victor1985 wrote:So..its said it can beat iskander...

    Take care of israelis claims. They always have the best fighters, the best pilots, the best scientists, the best nobel prizes -notice between Ancient history and XIX° century we did not see much jewish scientists . And nowdays with Rothschild's medias they have the greatest rate. Better than the population of scandinivian coutries. No problem ?- best soldiers, best artists, best actors, best oscars, best singers, best authors, best makers, etc.... Talking about Israel mean using all the best superlatives. In fact, most of the David sling technology is a mix between US know-how due to massive technology transferts, and soviet know-how. After the collapse of Soviet Union, many jewish russian scientists fled into Israel-as they always considered Zionist Entity their true country-, with them many soviet secrets looted from Soviet Union laboratories. Israel never had any indigenous know-how that could be considered as breakthough other than technology sent by either western powers or ex soviet countries secrets.
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    Post  victor1985 on Fri May 29, 2015 4:29 pm

    Yea...they say einstein was jewish
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    Post  victor1985 on Fri May 29, 2015 8:58 pm

    Look how you can make a tiny laser a big one: just take the beam and pass in a 30 cubic cm box. There one end has a material that reflect all light but allow to pass that light whit short frecvency. Same way you do whit radar. Same way whit emp. So you get in a single aircraft the most powerfull laser. In this a laser can be put even on tanks sincefrom a small power laser you get a powerfull ones. I forgot: when the beam hit the wall goes back then go to cristal amplifiers until can exit the end as short frecvency beam.
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    Post  flamming_python on Fri May 29, 2015 11:38 pm

    Israel has never been known for its rocket/missile technology (other than some good A2A fighter missiles that it came up with).

    Russia on the other hand has.

    Even given the massive US tech help and co-operation on this project; I have severe doubts about David's Sling being able to intercept something like an Iskander-M; last time anything like that was tried operationally it was the US's PAC-3 system in Iraq, 1991 - which tried and failed to intercept SCUD missiles dating back from the 50s.
    And now they claim that a development of the same sort of technology is capable of beating Iskander-Ms.

    They ought to learn to walk before trying to learn how to run.

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    victor1985 wrote:So..its said it can beat iskander...

    Take care of israelis claims. They always have the best fighters, the best pilots, the best scientists, the best nobel prizes -notice  between Ancient history and XIX° century we did not see much jewish scientists . And nowdays with Rothschild's medias they have the greatest rate. Better than the population of scandinivian coutries. No problem ?-  best soldiers, best artists, best actors, best oscars, best singers, best authors, best makers,  etc.... Talking about Israel mean using all the best superlatives. In fact, most of the David sling technology is a mix between US know-how due to massive technology transferts, and soviet know-how. After the collapse of Soviet Union, many jewish russian scientists fled into Israel-as they always considered Zionist Entity their true country-, with them many soviet secrets looted from Soviet Union laboratories. Israel never had any indigenous know-how that could be considered as breakthough other than technology sent by either western powers or ex soviet countries secrets.

    Pretty much this
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    Post  kvs on Sat May 30, 2015 1:46 am

    I will try not to sound like an apologist, but it is difficult to evaluate the Israeli contribution on a national basis.
    The Jewish diaspora which was the nation of Israel for centuries actually did and does contribute significantly
    to world science and engineering. Those Israelis from the ex-USSR were not just some random thieves, they
    were key to the development of those technologies. Naturally this does not imply Russians made no contribution
    and were nothing but "bydlo".

    The reason that you don't hear much about Jewish scientists in Europe during the 1500s, 1600s, etc. is because
    it was not a good idea to advertise being Jewish. I think it was common conversion to Christianity during this
    period in order to be able to socially advance. And Hollywood is a myth factory.

    The above does not imply I support what has been done to Palestinians. Even if this land was Israeli two thousand
    years ago, that does not give automatic rights to return. That is the nature of human reality. You have to fight
    for your land and you lose it once you leave. It is tragic at the the time, but it is another tragedy trying to reclaim
    it thousands of years later and kicking out the inhabitants.
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    Post  victor1985 on Sat May 30, 2015 6:46 am

    We cant know who was the master of places 1000 years ago. Simply all nations stay how recently are. And yes for cooperate is true that today this kind of things arent accepted

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