Not in air force, but related. Near Moscow crash Ka-52 prototype, property of Kamov OKB, pilots are injured and alive. It was not clear if pilots were catapulted or not.
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Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
medo- Posts : 4343
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- Post n°251
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
http://lenta.ru/news/2013/10/29/heli1/
Not in air force, but related. Near Moscow crash Ka-52 prototype, property of Kamov OKB, pilots are injured and alive. It was not clear if pilots were catapulted or not.
Not in air force, but related. Near Moscow crash Ka-52 prototype, property of Kamov OKB, pilots are injured and alive. It was not clear if pilots were catapulted or not.
Werewolf- Posts : 5935
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- Post n°252
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
footage on RT shows that the rotor blades where intact and the canopy too, so they didn't need to catapult.medo wrote:http://lenta.ru/news/2013/10/29/heli1/
Not in air force, but related. Near Moscow crash Ka-52 prototype, property of Kamov OKB, pilots are injured and alive. It was not clear if pilots were catapulted or not.
Let's see what the investigations will show further about that accident.
Vann7- Posts : 5385
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- Post n°253
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
What is weird is that The RT.com reports shows the KA-52k helicopter crash with only one layer of blades..
http://rt.com/news/helicopter-falls-moscow-906/
With doors open and looks that crashed right next to another Ka-52 that shows in the photo..
Wikipedia says that preliminary investigation show was "malfunction of the ejector (seat) mechanism" which caused it to activate involuntarily."
probably the helicopter have and engine malfunction , or they hit something with the blades many birds or a tree.
or perhaps the ejection mechanism was activated involuntarily and cause some blades to eject and helicopter to crash.
Either way not very good this accidents, when they are supplying Iraq with many of them.
http://rt.com/news/helicopter-falls-moscow-906/
With doors open and looks that crashed right next to another Ka-52 that shows in the photo..
Wikipedia says that preliminary investigation show was "malfunction of the ejector (seat) mechanism" which caused it to activate involuntarily."
probably the helicopter have and engine malfunction , or they hit something with the blades many birds or a tree.
or perhaps the ejection mechanism was activated involuntarily and cause some blades to eject and helicopter to crash.
Either way not very good this accidents, when they are supplying Iraq with many of them.
medo- Posts : 4343
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Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
Maybe this ejection mechanism malfunction blow the lower rotor away and than it crash without control.
Werewolf- Posts : 5935
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Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
2 crashes in 16 years is hardly a reason for iraqis to back off otherwise all other attack helicopters should have been forbidden through higher accident rates.
Also, that "malfunction" sounds rather odd, since it has 3 switches one controls both rotor blade explosive charges and the other is control ejection and master ejection switch.
Also, that "malfunction" sounds rather odd, since it has 3 switches one controls both rotor blade explosive charges and the other is control ejection and master ejection switch.
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Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
Does anyone know where i can find the overall flight hours of all machines, in generally about helicopters total flight time of helicopter type?
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Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
New Ka-52 delivered to Western military district
First Ka-52 "Alligator" joined the Army Aviation Park WEST
Can anyone manage to trace the numbers?
"Until the end of the year the number of helicopters of this type in the Western Military District will increase to 12 units"
First Ka-52 "Alligator" joined the Army Aviation Park WEST
Can anyone manage to trace the numbers?
"Until the end of the year the number of helicopters of this type in the Western Military District will increase to 12 units"
medo- Posts : 4343
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For now I know they have 16 Ka-52 in Krasnodar region (south military district) and similar number in Chernigovka in far East. I was thinking, they will give more Ka-52 to those two units to have full regiments of 24 helicopters.
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- Post n°259
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
http://russianplanes.net/images/to127000/126457.jpg
Great photo.
Great photo.
calripson- Posts : 754
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Ka 52 in 2013 ???
How many Ka 52 delivered in 2013 and to where ?
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http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/245342.html
mack8- Posts : 1039
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Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
Photo report from Progress (Ka-52 hand over):
http://visualrian.ru/ru/site/feature/366812/
http://visualrian.ru/ru/site/feature/366812/
TR1- Posts : 5435
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calripson wrote:How many Ka 52 delivered in 2013 and to where ?
Good breakdown here:
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/700413.html
2013: 17 built
2012: 21 built
2011: 12 built
In total, including prototypes, 65 Ka-52s built to date. 2 crashed.
63 birds are split:
-20 @ Chernigovka
-16 @ Korenovks
-8 @ Torzhok
-12 being sent to Ostrov
-2 not sure
-5 prototypes owned by Kamov
Good numbers! Seems like we are going to end up 350+ new attack helos by 2020. Even better than I expected!
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- Post n°264
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
mack8 wrote:Photo report from Progress (Ka-52 hand over):
http://visualrian.ru/ru/site/feature/366812/
New video from OTV Primorye about the handover in the Progress factory in Arseneev (Primorye region)
And a photo that shows a Ka-62 prototype in the background.
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Thanks, any videos or pictures from V. Bondarev's visit to KnAAZ?
TR1- Posts : 5435
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Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
Any figures about Ka-52 curved transparency armor?
Werewolf- Posts : 5935
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Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
No files or direct data i could find, but it is a traditional ballistic shield like any other to sustain shockwaves and low velocity impacts of flying around materials and with that is meant more like bird impacts or stones, not really bullets or anything of that speed.
Couldn't find the specific manufactor of this glasses.
Couldn't find the specific manufactor of this glasses.
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Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
I have read a report about testing of the Ka-50 with all flat transparencies where it was hovering 200m from a Shilka that fired a 200 round burst into it. The entire tail assembly was blown off, but as that is not necessary in a coaxial design the aircraft was able to fly to a nearby base and land... with heavy vibration.
It reportedly has a two layer armour structure that makes it rather well protected.
It reportedly has a two layer armour structure that makes it rather well protected.
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I don't know, what is the level of armor in Ka-52 cockpit, but RuAF could combine both Ka-52 and Mi-28, where Ka-52 take out AD complexes, defending ground units, from safe distance and than Mi-28 destroy the rest of ground forces and have good armor to survive hits from infantry small arms and heavy machine guns. Interesting is, that Ka-52 is designated as scout helicopter and not as attack helicopter.
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Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
I have read a report about testing of the Ka-50 with all flat transparencies where it was hovering 200m from a Shilka that fired a 200 round burst into it. The entire tail assembly was blown off, but as that is not necessary in a coaxial design the aircraft was able to fly to a nearby base and land... with heavy vibration. wrote:
Do you have a source for this?
Sounds little bit unbelievable, (not that it couldn't survive it) but that someone would actually test it.
Interesting is, that Ka-52 is designated as scout helicopter and not as attack helicopter. wrote:
Actually Ka-52 was designed as an Attack Helicopter but due the military needs and the operational effeciency lies in coordinated and commanded attacks and not just in technology on its own, they decided to make the older Ka-50 doctrine of beeing special forces attack helicopter with the old plans to mature it in a commanding attack helicopter.
It may have a little bit lower ballistical protection when compared with Mi-28 and Ka-50 but overall it outperformce both in survivability along with its Vitebsk and DIRCM equipment.
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Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
Werewolf wrote:
Do you have a source for this?
Sounds little bit unbelievable, (not that it couldn't survive it) but that someone would actually test it.
They would use remote-control for anything like that.
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They would use remote-control for anything like that. wrote:
I meant it both ways regardless of unmanned or manned, that test is surely cost intensive at least 16 mln USD cost intensive, don't know if a company can risk so much money.
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It may have a little bit lower ballistical protection when compared with Mi-28 and Ka-50 but overall it outperformce both in survivability along with its Vitebsk and DIRCM equipment.
This and use of long range ATGM as Hermes (maybe even antiradar Kh-31P, if it will be integrated with Ka-52K, could be also with Ka-52), will make Ka-52 very well suited to do SEAD/DEAD mission for its group of attack helicopters, so they could easier destroy armored vehicles and infantry, considering that western ground forces don't have medium or long range SAM, only MANPADs and SHORADs.
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Along with Hermes-A like you said and even the ZALA-Aero Network for airdropable small UAV's like Zala 421 it will have and already has the highest survivability.
I'm just waiting when this airdropable UAV's matures into flying kamikaze aircrafts with 1-2kg warheads.
I'm just waiting when this airdropable UAV's matures into flying kamikaze aircrafts with 1-2kg warheads.
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Werewolf wrote:
I meant it both ways regardless of unmanned or manned, that test is surely cost intensive at least 16 mln USD cost intensive, don't know if a company can risk so much money.
Most of it should be recoverable.
Then they can rebuild it and test something else on it.
I don't think they would use a serial production version for those sorts of tests; more like one of the prototypes lying around whose usage is coming to an end now that the helicopter is readying to enter production.