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TR1 wrote:I posted the link.
I guess in addition to being stupid, you are illiterate.
Superjet wikidot is up to date, and unlike main Wiki, is not edited by random morons like certain posters in this thread.
TR1 wrote:Keep making a joke of yourself.
Oh I get it. You can't even read Russian (being the Russian wannabe stronker that you are), so you can't read the link I posted!
Dammn. Pathetic.
But really, if you don't know jack shit about the SSJ, do everyone a favor and shut up.
While I'm sure they'll manufacture a couple hundred aircraft within 20 years, I'm just as sure it won't be 1,000. Not only is the market already heavily-saturated with competition, that competition includes long-proven products from Boeing and Airbus.
Rogozin is prone to blustering anyway..
You want accurate figures, look here.
Add another 8 planes on the order list for the SSJ. The Ministry of Emergency Services has signed a contract for 8 SSJs and 10 Il-76-90TD.
I really hope that Russian airline companies do buy Russian hardware exclusively if NATO decides to shut Russia out of
foreign markets.
My overall point is that Rogozin was posturing when he said that Russia would produce 1000 MC-21 airframes within 20 years.
Oh I get it. You can't even read Russian (being the Russian wannabe stronker that you are), so you can't read the link I posted!
Dammn. Pathetic.
But really, if you don't know jack shit about the SSJ, do everyone a favor and shut up.
TR1 wrote:sepheronx wrote:kvs wrote:Honesroc wrote:I won't dignify some of the comments my post received, suffice to say this: Do I welcome competition on the global market? Yes, I'm looking forward to the day when the MC-21 program takes flight. That said, I don't see Russia producing 1,000 airframes in a twenty year-span, particularly given the success of the A320 and 737 programs.
Rogozin's statement ignores a lot of economic variables in Russia, and more importantly, the narrow-body market which will continue to be dominated by Boeing/Airbus (and yes, it is saturated). I stand by my remarks as they pertain to the MC-21 program.
Still spewing MP.net style butthurt without providing any sources to your claim. Why should anyone take seriously your obviously biased
assessment? You are just trolling.
Predictions are just predictions. Some people here are pessimistic and some others like you or I, are not. I myself don't believe to see 1000 MS-21's, but I do see a couple hundred or more built. Wiki's numbers on SSJ-100 is at 296: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100#Orders.2C_deliveries_and_operators for orders. Now it is up to others what their numbers show.
This is hilarious, given the sort of shit and ignorance you spewed about the Superjet.
http://superjet.wikidot.com/sales
An ACTUAL Superjet website made by ACTUAL Russians.
Posting Wiki over this is hilarious.
Honesroc wrote:@TR1
Agreed! Lol... You read my mind
GarryB wrote:BTW from http://mc-21.wikidot.com/sales
Firm orders for 184 and options for another 72, which potentially means 256 orders and options already...
Honesroc wrote:Rogozin is not only the greatest politician in the world, he is a great man.
Right, and our intellectual titans in this thread could have taken the link I posted, and like you added up the numbers. They are not 296 orders, whatever way you want to slice it, not today.
Not knowing Russian is not pathetic, the behavior of certain people in this thread is.
One member made a comment about how Rogozin is full of shit (which he is, constantly) and how 1000 MS-21 is a tall order (it is), and suddenly you have people jumping down his throat and calling him a troll, and claiming SSJ has nearly 300 orders already. I replied that if you are gonna be a dick to a non-offensive comment, you better not be incorrect yourself.
I still maintain that airframe orders alone aren't necessarily a good indicator of the success of a program (only deliveries are). This of course isn't exclusive to the UAC.
I'm not advocating pessimism over optimism here Gary, I'm advocating realism - that's all. I don't know how else to react to your comment. It's not that serious.
Werewolf wrote:What a preposterous claim 1000 birds! The man must be sued for doing his job by being optimistic in public to not damage deals in advance but being rather realistic behind doors.
Don't act like idiots use your brains, ffs.
kvs wrote:Werewolf wrote:What a preposterous claim 1000 birds! The man must be sued for doing his job by being optimistic in public to not damage deals in advance but being rather realistic behind doors.
Don't act like idiots use your brains, ffs.
We have over 200 SSJ-100 orders in 5 years and it is clear that sales are increasing slowly because of basically
lack of prior reputation in the global civilian market and Soviet legacy negative reputation about service and
reliability. Assuming the world economy does not implode and that a hotter version of the cold war does not
cut Russia off from the global market, we are looking at well over 800 sold in 20 years. Past the "unrealistic"
1000 units since the sales will be driven by the product's reputation.
Now consider the MC-21 and its larger market. Sales of 1000 units in 20 years is actually a pessimistic estimate.
And SSJ hit the global financial crisis head on, while RU-NATO relations were still relatively decent.kvs wrote:We have over 200 SSJ-100 orders in 5 years and it is clear that sales are increasing slowly because of basically
lack of prior reputation in the global civilian market and Soviet legacy negative reputation about service and
reliability.
Not to mention most commercial operators will replace their jets well within 20 years, i.e a large amount of early customers can be expected to re-order the latest version (re-engined, etc) within a 20 year span.Assuming the world economy does not implode and that a hotter version of the cold war does not cut Russia off from the global market, we are looking at well over 800 sold in 20 years. Now consider the MC-21 and its larger market. Sales of 1000 units in 20 years is actually a pessimistic estimate.
flamming_python wrote:Actually I'm worried that the Sukhoi Superjet will fast become a casualty of the escalating sanctions war.
flamming_python wrote:Actually I'm worried that the Sukhoi Superjet will fast become a casualty of the escalating sanctions war.
Rmf wrote:1000/20yrs, thats 50 per year, do they have production facilities and qualified staff for production of 4-5 planes per month?
Rmf wrote:1000/20yrs, thats 50 per year, do they have production facilities and qualified staff for production of 4-5 planes per month?
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