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    Post  Mike E Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:16 pm

    That is what it sounds like.... It will be great to see some more IL-114s flying!

    Hopefully they can rake up even more sales! - One problem is that there will be some "self competition" between the MC-21 and -204SM... My guess is that the -21 will completely replace it, but it still has some life in the platform.
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    Post  George1 Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:24 am

    Mikhail Pogosyan: sanctions will not affect the international cooperation in the network of Sukhoi SuperJet 100 project
    Russian Aviaton » Friday August 22, 2014 03:20 MSK

    Sanctions against Russia imposed by USA and EU will not affect the production plans of Sukhoi Holding Company in terms of production of Sukhoi SuperJet 100 aircraft by Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation plant, President of United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), Mikhail Pogosyan, said at an airshow dedicated to the 80th anniversary of the enterprise, ITAR-TASS reports. The company plans to increase the output at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation plant.

    “I can’t say that the sanctions will not affect our production plans at all. Of course there will be certain problems due to restrictions on foreign markets. But this is an indirect impact instead of a direct one”, - Mikhail Pogosyan said.
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    “We have a broad long-standing cooperation in the network of Sukhoi SuperJet 100 project. We have no reason to expect any delays or refusals from our partners”, - the president of UAC said. According to Pogosyan, last year the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation plant manufactured 25 Sukhoi SuperJet 100 (SSJ100) liners, this year the enterprise will manufacture 40 ones and 50 more jets of the type – in 2015.

    “We are going to increase the output”, - Pogosyan said.

    He added that successful operation of SSJ 100 jets in Mexico has a positive impact on market conditions in Latin America and other countries of the world. Several contracts for delivery of SSJ 100 liners will be signed this year.

    “We see some positive impact on the market conditions. First of all, this is the result of successful operation of SSJ 100 aircraft in Mexico. High flight time and positive responses from pilots, airlines’ personnel and passengers”, - Mikhail Pogosyan said. According to his forecasts, a number of contracts for delivery of SSJ 100 jets to Latin America and other countries of the world may be signed this year. This refers to deliveries scheduled for 2015, 2016 and 2017.

    20 Sukhoi Superjet 100 liners should be delivered to Interjet (Mexico). The contract with the Mexican carrier also includes an option for 10 more vehicles of the type. Interjet was the first Latin American airline to purchase SSJ 100 jets. In 2013 4 Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft were delivered to Mexico; 11 more jets should be delivered in 2014. In July Mikhail Pogosyan said that negotiations on delivery of 10 more jets of the type to the Mexican customer have been completed.

    In addition, Pogosyan said that Sukhoi Holding Company and Indian airframers are starting the development of a multi-role transport aircraft.

    “We are discussing further implementation of the project and we are going to start the development soon”, - Pogosyan noted.

    He also added that design feasibility study was completed in 2013; however, the parties need to agree on the project schedule.

    The multi-role transport aircraft is being developed in the network of an intergovernmental agreement between Russia and India. It is designed for transportation and airdrop of cargo and troops, medevac and special operations. It will replace An-12 medium military-transport aircraft. The jet’s maiden flight was scheduled for 2016.

    Sukhoi Superjet 100 is a medium-haul passenger aircraft. A total of 68 jets of the type have been manufactured (7 of them are prototypes and test aircraft). 41 jets have been delivered to customers. The aircraft is manufactured by Sukhoi Civil Aircraft Company at Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation plant in cooperation with Thales, PowerJet, B/E Aerospace and other suppliers. More than 50% of the jet’s components are delivered by foreign suppliers.
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    Post  George1 Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:27 am

    Progress Arsenyev Aviation Company will perform the first test flights of Ka-62 civil helicopter in December
    Russian Aviaton » Saturday August 23, 2014 12:22 MSK

    Progress Arsenyev Aviation Company named after Sazikin (Primorski Krai) is going to perform the first test flights of Ka-62 medium multi-role civil helicopter in December. The enterprise is assembling Ka-62 prototypes at the moment, Interfax reports with reference to the press-service of administration of Primorski Krai and Managing Director of Progress, Yuri Denisenko.

    According to the press-service, the presidential plenipotentiary envoy to Far Eastern Federal District, Yuri Trutnev, and acting governor of Primorski Krai, Vladimir Mikushevsky, visited the enterprise on August 20th.

    They watched the demonstration flight of Ka-52 reconnaissance and combat helicopter manufactured by Progress Arsenyev Aviation Company.
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    Post  Austin Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:38 pm

    IL-114 is not reached the customer  The Government considered the demand is too low

    http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2014/08/27/302857.html


    So IL-114 is not economically feasible seems project de
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:15 pm

    I couldnt imagine why such a short range plane was considered feesible in the first place. Russia is too large amd widespread.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:24 am

    Having a complete set of tools means you can get the job done more efficiently.

    Imagine if the only helicopter you had was an Mi-8.

    An excellent helo, but if you want to deliver 1 ton of post up to a small border post up on a mountain in a very remote area with no roads then it would be more efficient and cheaper to use a lighter helicopter like a Ka-226T.

    Same with transports... right now they have 6-8 ton payload class fixed wing transports like the An-72, and An-24/26/32, and they have 20 ton payload An-12, then the next step up is the Il-76 in the 40 ton range with the Il-476 reaching 60 tons, and then the An-22 at 80 tons and finally the An-124 at 120-150 tons depending on the upgrade status.

    A short range plane is feasable because the planes already doing the job have similar range already.
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    Post  mutantsushi Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:18 pm

    It seems that worldwide there is more than enough need for such a class.
    Considering those markets, and those that UAC can reasonably sell to, would be the basis for a succesfull product.
    India has alot of need in that class, and I believe is interested in localising a product in that class.
    A JV also lowers the direct cost to Russia, making it more rational proposition from Russian end.
    Bombardier and ATR products of this tier are of similar design age to begin with, so I don't see anything wrong with using Il-114 as basis.
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    Post  Viktor Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:27 pm

    WoW .... nice thumbsup

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    Post  Mike E Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:44 pm

    mutantsushi wrote:It seems that worldwide there is more than enough need for such a class.
    Considering those markets, and those that UAC can reasonably sell to, would be the basis for a succesfull product.
    India has alot of need in that class, and I believe is interested in localising a product in that class.
    A JV also lowers the direct cost to Russia, making it more rational proposition from Russian end.
    Bombardier and ATR products of this tier are of similar design age to begin with, so I don't see anything wrong with using Il-114 as basis.

    Very good point... People have to remember Russia isn't the only potential customer. They could go head to head with both ATR's now old lineup, and Bombardiers somewhat "messy" prop lineup as well (I admit that as an owner of a decent amount of Bombardier stock, buy it if you can!).
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    Post  TR1 Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:20 pm

    Austin wrote:

    IL-114 is not reached the customer  The Government considered the demand is too low

    http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2014/08/27/302857.html


    So IL-114 is not economically feasible seems project de

    Yes, it was obvious Rogozin was (like always) talking out of his ass when he claimed 700 or whatever airframes were in demand.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:59 pm

    To be clear that article is talking about the commercial implications of upgrading the Il-114 and digitising the design and putting it back into production without any firm commercial orders... of course it will not be economically viable.

    It mentions the military version... the Il-112 will be put into production to replace the An-24/26/32... Klimov will develop new engines for it...
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    Post  Austin Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:05 pm

    They can go back to the drawing board and design a new 50-60 seater Turboprop which can be competitive to Bombardier or ATR in its class.

    No point in using a decade old design and digitising it wont make competitive or fuel effecient.

    I am sure TSAGI can design a new aircraft which can remain competitive for next 2 decade much like they designed MS-21 or Superjet-NG.

    No point in just assembling Bombardier design in Russia in the name of making it in Russia , I wonder why they went for that in first place when they could design MS-21 and SSJ.

    But Sanctions would make them wiser.


    IL-114 certainly cant pull the horse and remain cometitive in CIS much less world
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    Post  Mike E Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:38 am

    I disagree... The Il-114 is a newer design than both the Bombardier Q and ATR 42-72. Not only that, but the newer versions of both aircraft are just "facelifts" with upgraded avionics and engines. To say that the Il-114 can't compete with aircraft many years older is a bit ridiculous...

    Both aircraft, and many others, have been doing the same thing for many years now. Might as well complain that the Su-35 is "just" a decade old design... Most of ATR's success comes from their reliable performance, and reliability in general, not their tech.

    You just proved my point, they are already working on projects that deserve priority. A simple "facelift" will be enough for the next twenty years.

    In the name of economics... Plus, as a shareholder of Bombardier, I know that they have their hands full.

    It could, let's wait and see...

    Well, it does need an upgrade, but nothing more. - Engines should be priority, they are getting older, are underpowered for the plane, and aren't the most efficient available... It needs to be around 3,500 hp or so, as the current cruising speed is under 300 mph!


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    Post  Austin Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:46 am

    The Government has allocated $ 400 million to the MS-21

    http://www.ato.ru/blogs/blog-alekseya-sinickogo/pravitelstvo-vydelilo-400-mln-dollarov-na-ms-21

    Russian authorities attended to the aircraft industry. Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev signed a decree №1614-r dated 25 August 2014 to provide state guarantees worth up to $ 400 million. To secure the obligations of JSC "Corporation" Irkut "on loans for the development of the aircraft MS-21 . As explained on the government website , the credit is involved in "Sberbank of Russia" for up to 10 years under a general agreement on the non-revolving credit line framework amounting to more than $ 1 billion.


    In addition, it is reported that the total cost of the project is 3.947 billion dollars. Should be emphasized that this is the first estimate of the cost of the program MS-21 , heard from official sources.


    The project to create ближнесреднемагистрального MC-21 aircraft - today in Russia is the most promising and most ambitious program. Above it is an active work , the first plane to be built in 2015 . According to its characteristics plane (more precisely, a family) is aimed at the most popular in the world market niche aircraft with a capacity of 150-220 passengers., which is the most intense competition. At present, this niche is firmly occupied by families of Airbus A320 and Boeing 737NG, while Airbus proposed modernization A320NEO with new high-performance engines, and Boeing responded to this project 737MAX. That is, two leading manufacturer in this segment are not only successful projects, but also a clear perspective of their development. Moreover, China plans to put on the same market your C919 , and the Bombardier CSeries and his family backs this niche "from below", from the aircraft of smaller capacity.


    It is clear that the creation of a competitive product in this segment of the market is necessary to rely on the latest achievements of the global aviation industry and broad international cooperation. In particular, one embodiment of a propulsion system for the MS-21 - Pure Power engine family company with Pratt & Whitney geared fan drive, the same will be installed on A320NEO. However, there are works of Russian and alternative - PD-14 engine. A few days ago Corporation "Oboronprom" soobschida to place bonds for 3.266 billion rubles. to finance the development of advanced engines for civil aviation , in particular the family of PD-14. Flight tests of the PD-14 is scheduled to begin in 2015


    Russia, of course, must be presented to the world market of aircraft, so that the Government's attention to the program of the MS-21 is good. However, we must emphasize the need for increased sales MC-21 aircraft already at this stage of their creation. After expanding the portfolio of orders not only strengthens the hope for the future success of the program, but also provides - through prepayments - additional ongoing funding of the project. And the money is significantly cheaper than Sberbank loans.


    We can not say that the authorities are doing nothing to ensure sales - for example, proposed a mechanism to guarantee the residual value of the aircraft , which will be possible thanks to the operational leasing of these machines. At the same time, as shown by the results of the Farnborough Air Show, which unlike competitors Corporation "Irkut" has not announced about any new contract on the MC-21, over the sale to work. Then it will be possible to reduce the size of commercial lending program, and hence reduce the cost. So far, however, all projects to create new aircraft only increased in price.
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    Post  Mike E Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:48 am

    That is great! The MC-21 has always been my favorite Russian airliner, hopefully is gets the sales it deserves!
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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:46 am

    Aerodynamics haven't changed much in the last few decades... A Il-114 with the original design digitised and modified and a complete update of its construction materials including newer lighter stronger composites and of course new more powerful but also more fuel efficient engines would make it a very competitive aircraft on the international market but unless there is a buyer prepared to spend money on it then it will not go anywhere.

    In the 1990s that would mean it has no chance.... today the Russian military needs this plane to replace a lot of old obsolete aircraft in a wide range of roles and missions.

    For those who think these aircraft are too small and light you need to ask yourself why the An-2 was so popular.... it was smaller and lighter and has much shorter range.

    The point is that you wont fly from Moscow to some far flung corner of Siberia and land in an An-124 to deliver post... large heavy aircraft will deliver region to region over long distances with heavy payloads, but as the branches get smaller the loads get smaller and lighter and the distances get shorter too.
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    Post  George1 Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:18 am

    Alexey Ulyukaev: Russia agreed with Indonesia and Laos on deliveries of Sukhoi SuperJet 100 aircraft
    Russian Aviaton » Tuesday September 2, 2014 16:00 MSK

    Russia agreed with Laos on delivery of three Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ 100) aircraft; Indonesia will get ten jets of the type, Russian Minister of economic development, Alexey Ulyukaev, told ITAR-TASS. He didn’t unveil any details related to the deliveries.

    "A contract for delivery of three jets to Laos was signed as well as agreement for delivery of 10 vehicles of the type to Indonesia. But we have possibilities for delivering more jets. We hope to sign more contracts with Indonesia", - he said.

    In addition, according to the minister, deliveries of SSJ 100 liners to Vietnam are also being discussed, but the number of vehicles to be delivered has not been defined yet.

    "As for Vietnam, we have not defined a number of jets to be delivered yet. We have defined all the terms of contracts with Indonesia and Laos. But we don’t have parameters of potential contract with Vietnam – the airlines have not presented their requirements yet", - Ulyukaev added.

    Andrey Kalinovsky, former president of Sukhoi Civil Aircraft Company (SCAC, part of United Aircraft Corporation), said at Farnborough-2014 airshow that SSJ 100 regional aircraft operated by Sky Aviation bankrupt carrier (Indonesia) will resume flights. "We have found solution to this problem. The jets will resume flights", - he said without naming the airline to operate these airliners in future.

    Sky Aviation was the launch customer for SSJ 100 in Southeast Asia. It took delivery of three Superjets, but suspended flights in March 2014 due to poor financial situation and started looking for investors.

    Lao Central Airlines (Laos) took delivery of two jets of the type (the carrier signed a contract for delivery of three SSJ 100 liners with an option for six more vehicles of the type). However, in December 2013 the airline suspended flights.

    At present SSJ 100 aircraft are operated by the following airlines: Aeroflot – Russian Airlines, Yakutia Airlines, Moskovia Airlines, Gazprom Avia and Centre-South (Russia) as well as Interjet (Mexico).
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:02 am

    GarryB wrote:Aerodynamics haven't changed much in the last few decades... A Il-114 with the original design digitised and modified and a complete update of its construction materials including newer lighter stronger composites and of course new more powerful but also more fuel efficient engines would make it a very competitive aircraft on the international market but unless there is a buyer prepared to spend money on it then it will not go anywhere.

    In the 1990s that would mean it has no chance.... today the Russian military needs this plane to replace a lot of old obsolete aircraft in a wide range of roles and missions.

    For those who think these aircraft are too small and light you need to ask yourself why the An-2 was so popular.... it was smaller and lighter and has much shorter range.

    The point is that you wont fly from Moscow to some far flung corner of Siberia and land in an An-124 to deliver post... large heavy aircraft will deliver region to region over long distances with heavy payloads, but as the branches get smaller the loads get smaller and lighter and the distances get shorter too.
    Yeah, and even without that it is still competitive in the turboprop market...
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    Post  mutantsushi Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:31 am

    Others have mentioned the actual competitiveness vs. ATR/BBD, and to follow up, on this class of aircraft even new Western projects are not seeing mass usage of composites on par with larger Airbus/Boeings because there just isn't the benefit on short/thin routes that you can get with longer distance larger jets, so it isn't worth the effort.  Mitsubishi's MRJ dropped composite wing, and this turboprop would be smaller and shorter ranged. Refreshing the avionics and support systems would also be some useful experience for Russian suppliers before they begin the widebody JV with China, even if they are very different scales of aircraft.

    Recreating a production line from scratch, not to mention integrating modern avionics and certifying a new TV7-117 variant is not economic  based just on Russian demand... SO the obvious point is find other partners/customers, ///it doesn't need to be all about Russia///.  This is really the perfect scale project for e.g. India to join in, taking on alot of the industrialization and familiarizing with how modern avionics and engines etc integrate into civil airliner.  Aerodynamics don't really need to change any, since they're competing againt older ATR/BBD designs, but if the project does have the customers to go ahead, then why not do some aerodynamic tweaks, maybe implement a laminar flow tail, maybe in composites.  India could also probably be interested in joining the "Superjet 130"/CS100-ski project (using that name for lack of alternative, it will be more unique/new than just a stretch, will have composite wings, and most likely will use little if any Western suppliers at this point, thus more work to share with India), as they've been interested in producing a regional jet to develop their civil aero industry.

    Since I mentioned Mitsubishi MRJ, here is an interesting chart made by leehamnews.com showing marketshare of regional jets, including Embraer, MRJ, and Superjet, and you can clearly see that despite barely being mentioned by Western press, Superjet is doing quite fine, combined "E1"/"E2" jets in it's class (170/5) outweigh it, but a #2 market position is not bad, and ahead of MRJ.
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    Post  Austin Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:28 pm

    The "Frigate Ekodzhet" reached a new level





    The "Frigate Ekodzhet" is a development of widebody medium-haul aircraft of the new generation.  This machine is focused on a relatively small but very popular and relatively free market niche - the carriage of passengers on busy routes for 3-4 thousand. Km.  A qualitatively new level of economic performance - 15-20% better than the existing aircraft - is achieved through a series of structural and aerodynamic features, chief among them - the fuselage with an elliptical cross-section, which provides extra lift and a large seating capacity in the cabin with three passages between armchairs.


    Work on the project are from 2009 .;  an important feature of the program - a complete lack of public participation: all the work is still conducted under the auspices of "FPG" Rosaviakonsortsium "".


    To date, the program "Frigate Ekodzhet" reached a stage of development where needed new mechanisms and principles of management.  For this reason, OAO "FPG" Rosaviakonsortsium "" established a project company "Frigate Ekodzhet", the main specialization of which - the development of aviation technology of the new generation.  In particular, the company is a single administrative center of the homonymous program "Frigate Ekodzhet" at all stages until the introduction of the aircraft into service.


    "In the life of the program" Frigate Ekodzhet "comes a very important period: from the conceptual stage, we turn to the design and construction", - said Vasily Danilov, CEO of "Frigate Ekodzhet."


    The new company is a competence center program "Frigate Ekodzhet", it transferred all the research and technologies developed by JSC "FPG" Rosaviakonsortsium "" since 2009 Rosaviakonsortsium This is one of the shareholders of the new business, whose capital will be attracted Russian and foreign financial investors.


    "Company" Frigate Ekodzhet "will program the agent for interaction with the investment community, including in the framework of the process to find and attract a strategic investor," - said the director of marketing for the program "Frigate Ekodzhet" Sergei Grachev.


    It is planned that the projected structure of the aircraft will be finally approved by the (frozen) in the next year, the first flight will take place in about 2018-2019., And commercial exploitation of the new aircraft will begin in 2021, "One of the first steps in this direction - the creation of an engineering center in Zhukovsky. Its main task is to coordinate and carry out further work on the design and integration ", - said Vasily Danilov.


    Another important initiative is a series of studies, including the testing of full-scale fuselage section to confirm ensure structural strength given weight when exposed to excessive pressure, and test a model airplane in a cryogenic wind tunnel that will produce results as close to the real flight conditions.


    For testing full-scale fuselage section discusses a contract with ThyssenKrupp System Engineering.  It is expected that the test will be conducted at the company IMA Dresden.  Also there is a search companies in Germany, which would take place the assembly of the fuselage section - for example, the plant is considered EADS Elbe Flugzeugwerke in Dresden.


    To study the aerodynamics of the aircraft company "Frigate Ekodzhet" in July 2014 signed an agreement with the German ThyssenKrupp System Engineerimg to conduct aerodynamic testing model aircraft "Frigate Ekodzhet" in the European transonic wind tunnel cryogenic European Transonic Windtunnel (ETW).  Under the agreement, the joint team, "Frigate Ekodzhet", ThyssenKrupp System Engineering and ETW will test before January 2015 ThyssenKrupp System Engineering, an engineering division of the largest German company ThyssenKrupp, acts in this project integrator program aerodynamic testing.


    Work in Germany will be the second stage of aerodynamic research model "Frigate Ekodzhet."  "In the first phase of tests in TsAGI in 2013, we confirmed the claimed aerodynamic characteristics. We spent revision aerodynamic layout to improve these characteristics. As part of the project, we aim to use the most advanced technologies available today in the global engineering industry. It was therefore decided to conduct the second phase of testing in a cryogenic wind tunnel in Germany ", - says Vladimir CHernousov, chief designer of" Frigate Ekodzhet. "  Besides, according to the ATO, the cost of such work in Germany was lower than in Russia.


    The tests will be held on the equipment of ETW, which has the most modern infrastructure to conduct this kind of research.  During the tests, the flow is injected inside an insulated sealed compartment made of stainless steel.  Compressor power of 50 mW to circulate nitrogen gas at the temperature of about -50 ° C and a flux density consistent flight conditions at high altitudes.  These tests allow most accurately recreate the real situation, which ensures high reliability performed with measurements.


    Model aircraft will be made by Deharde Maschinenbau GmbH, specializing in the design and manufacture of aircraft models for testing in wind tunnels, as well as full-size flight products.


    Under the "Frigate Ekodzhet" formed on the basis of market research, it is planned for 10 years to produce and sell at least 224 aircraft.  Place to build assembly plant must be selected before the end of this year.

    http://www.ato.ru/content/programma-fregat-ekodzhet-vyshla-na-novyy-uroven
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:29 pm

    Interesting. Never heard of this.

    Thanks Austin.
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    Post  Austin Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:33 pm

    "Frigate Ekodzhet" - a new approach to project implementation

    http://www.ato.ru/content/fregat-ekodzhet-novyy-podhod-k-realizacii-proekta



    In May, the program "Frigate Ekodzhet" reached a new level - was registered LLC "Frigate Ekodzhet."  On the development of the program says CEO of the new company, Vasily Danilov, Alexander Klimov program manager and marketing director Sergei Grachev.


    ATU: What was the need to create a company "Frigate Ekodzhet"?


    A. To .: In the course of any aviation program, there are certain steps.  Technical project moves from the conceptual stage to the design phase, and then to the production stage, although not always pass these stages - a sequential process.  The "Frigate Ekodzhet" developed within Rosaviakonsortsiuma exactly to the period of transition to the design, to the successful completion of the conceptual stage.


    At this stage of its development, the program has reached a stage where it needs a different level of resources, including financial and human resources.  That is what led us to believe that the program should develop independently, going beyond Rosaviakonsortsiuma.  Therefore created a new company - "Frigate Ekodzhet";  for the past two months, we are forming the engineering, financial, marketing team.


    ATU: What decisions will be made ​​by the new shareholders?  What is the most willing to give up your share of the founder?


    A. To .: We are looking for, are in talks with potential strategic investors who plan to attract and to participate in the share capital of OOO "Frigate Ekodzhet."


    VD .: Our shareholder is well aware that in today's aviation world, one aircraft for the money does not create.  For successful implementation of the new partners are needed.


    ATU: What are the immediate goals and plans of the new company?


    VD .: Today we are in the stage of development of a new version of the business plan, which is going to get by September.  It will include a detailed implementation plan through the work schedule for all areas of marketing, development, certification, production, sales and after-sales service.  Much attention is paid to the financial component, which describes the entire project from the point of view of the effectiveness of attracting investors' funds.


    A. To .: As the program gets a lot of interesting links, it involved a completely different professionals and companies.  During the site selection for future series production are in talks with two companies: consultants for Finance and evaluation area.  They have huge data banks of industrial sites in different countries.  This year we plan to enter the preparation of the short list of those areas, specific places where we will choose the site in accordance with our requirements.
    Assembly line we will make ThyssenKrupp, and on the same production will be made and prototypes for static and flight tests.  In the future, production will be certified and will produce production aircraft.


    VD .: Today we are launching the design - is an active discussion of cooperation of participants, an evaluation of the cost of these works.  Agreements for aerodynamic studies on creation of a purge model.  We are in the final stage of the selection of an experienced producer compartment of the fuselage, already have a tentative agreement to conduct its tests.


    Plane "Frigate Ekodzhet" oriented to foreign markets and must be certified according to international standards.  Therefore, running a set of works for future certification of the aircraft as well as production in the EASA.  Defined partner and consultant, who will help us to go through familiarity with European certification bodies, to study and apply to all of the necessary procedures, which we will need to consider for a successful certification.


    A. To .: I would add that in the structure of the company formed by the certification authority.


    ATO: When your chart will be the first flight?


    A. To .: first scheduled for the end of 2018 - beginning of 2019


    VD .: We really understand that it is possible to carry out in the schedule.


    ATU: How is possible at all in a Russian private company development and production of large passenger aircraft?  Traditionally, in general, the whole business or state or semi-state.


    VD .: I will turn to the parallel and very close area.  Let's look at what is happening in the United States space program.  To date, the output payload of cargo into low orbits not running state-owned companies or corporations, and two private firms.  Imagine a situation 10-15 years ago, it was unbelievable, but now it's real.  So, in principle, ownership per se is not so important in this situation.


    A. To .: Therefore, the question should probably be this: can the company, shall we say, unusual in our traditional understanding of today to engage in the production of long-haul aircraft?  Answer: Yes, it can.


    It would be wrong to regard the state as a cashier for money for aircraft programs.  In fact, the state, and so provides support through a variety of mechanisms - that federal programs and subsidies for air travel and leasing rates, and loan guarantees, and much more.  Form of state can be completely different.  If we, for example, place the final assembly line in Ulyanovsk under the guarantees offered by the government of the Ulyanovsk region, is not that funding for the program?  If we agree with someone about the risk-shared, it will also be funded.  Do not see the state as a window in the box office.  There are different forms of financing, and no one says that the state can not support projects in which it is interested.


    VD .: But not as a cashier, and as a potential investor.


    A. To .: With this new way of organizing the project, which we use, can significantly reduce costs, we are already seeing in the course of work.  That is, we not only refute the myth that the plane must necessarily build a state, but also the myth that the plane must be very expensive.  We have to offer the market a competitive plane.


    ATO: Basil, a question for you.  Do you have a wealth of experience in the Russian aviation industry, work in engine and the KLA.  And why do you dare to go into this project and to lead this company?  What prospects do you see this?


    VD .: project is interesting in itself, it is extraordinary in terms of the concept of the aircraft, and in terms of organizational structure, as originally started to realize this project.  Second - the people who initiated this project.  They are no strangers to me, I am interested in working with them.  Besides, I do not rule out that our experience, if it is positive, in any case, will be useful for diversification approaches in relations between business and the state in the implementation of major capital projects in the engineering, not only in aviation.


    On the one hand, we are implementing a specific program, that is our challenge - to design and build the new aircraft, certifying it in accordance with all the necessary requirements.  But we need to develop a management system that will effectively complete the task using a variety of funding sources, mainly as we have said, non-governmental.  And the experience that we gained in the management of such a project will be useful to other undertakings.  Because all that is happening in Russia, if we are talking about capital projects ranging from the construction of bridges and ending with the Olympic facilities in Sochi, gas, oil - it is basically part of the state.  Let us not dissemble, "Gazprom", "Rosneft", Railways - a state-owned companies, public money.


    ATO: And yet the government takes any interest in your project?


    VD .: interest of the structures that are responsible for the aviation industry of the Russian Federation, at the level of ministries and departments, the project management companies today do not.  But we really do not particularly worried now.  Why?  Because we are doing this project, because we have some confidence that it can work effectively.  If we were not sure of this, we would not engage in them.  And, accordingly, those investors that a private business, which now puts him in real money, he would not do that, too.  And most importantly, that we are probably common, - a love of aviation and a desire to design and build the new aircraft.  It sounds corny, but it's actually true.


    ATO: You say the project is interesting.  But it would at least hurt to work just for the sake of the project.  How promising you find this plane as far as he is in demand on the market?  After a niche for it is not that big, and is easy to close more versatile long-haul wide-body aircraft, even if they are not as effective at these distances.


    S. G .: First of all it should be noted that the market for large civil aircraft now duopolny, they are released only two companies in the world.  As a consequence of this, we understand that the reduced level of competition and manufacturers are starting to form their product line, the most convenient, efficient and profitable for themselves.  This creates quite rare today in the world situation, when the market does not belong to the buyer and the seller, which is actually dictating its terms.
    What happened as a result?  There was not even a niche, and the huge gap between the single-aisle medium-range aircraft with a maximum capacity of 180-200 seats, on the one hand, and the wide-bodied long-haul aircraft with capacity of about 270 seats - on the other. 


    Existing gap airlines forced to close by using long-haul aircraft, designed to fly at a range of 10-15 thousand. Km, exploiting them on the lines long, oddly enough, 1,5-2,0 thousand. Miles, because they have the necessary capacity .  Alternative - to increase the frequency of flights on smaller aircraft.  Naturally, in this situation, airlines are looking for ways to maximize the efficiency of inefficient use of available aircraft and come up with some kind of a legend, why they do it.


    Our project is adjudged to be in exactly this gap: aircraft capacity of about 300 seats with a range of about 4.5 thousand. Km.  According to the results of marketing research, this gap is estimated at about 600 aircraft.


    ATO: It's up to what year?


    S. G .:'s roughly until 2030 Here we clearly understand that our project is rather unusual, and we - the newcomers in the market.  Therefore, we estimate our share of 224 aircraft as the most pessimistic, which allows you to make the project profitable.  We understand that after the appearance of the aircraft is unlikely to airlines that currently operate long-haul aircraft on the routes are not long, lined up for us in the queue.  But we hope that there is a certain number of carriers that are part of its large fleet of long-haul wide-body sun form a unit from a half to two dozen aircraft to maximize the economic impact of these specific routes.  Or in this niche market will be new airlines that will make a bet on the efficiency and possibly to loukost-carriage.
    Furthermore, the intensity of air traffic is increasing.  At airports, airplanes, standing in line to take off with the already running engine, have become almost

    commonplace;  Passengers seated in the aircraft and are, where this is happening, as a rule, in the most attractive for passengers time.  But no airspace, no terrestrial infrastructure is not rubber;  to increase the frequency of flights on routes saturated lacked the slots on the landing operation or throughput of the system of air traffic management.


    The plane, which we develop, deliver forced airlines to increase frequency of flights.  In this case, by increasing the capacity of the decrease in consumption, that is, airlines will be able to become more competitive and offer more access to the market in the most intense and attractive for passengers time, which will increase the efficiency of transport.  That is, strictly speaking, our vision of the project demand.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:30 pm

    Actually I remember someone mentioning that the Russians were working on new large transport aircraft and that "Lifting body" designs were being considered... perhaps they will be related to these widebody designs?

    It would certainly help with transporting armour, for which the Il-476 is considered a bit narrow...
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    Post  Austin Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:08 pm

    Interview with Mikhail Pogosyan


    "We have an advantage over Boeing and Airbus in terms of cost"


    http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2014/09/05/304165.html

    Business Aviation Exhibition Jet Expo-2014 opens at Vnukovo. Company "Sukhoi Civil Aircraft" present within the salon new Sukhoi Superjet 100 to the VIP-version. Chairman of the Board of Directors of the company Mikhail Pogosyan said the questions Konstantin Eggert.

    - We are now sitting in the cabin of Sukhoi Superjet business, as I understand, first, yes, this aircraft is now available in Russia? Correct me if I'm wrong.

    - Well, actually, this is the first plane, which is prepared for delivery to customers.

    - Customer - "Rosoboronexport"?

    - Customer First - "Rosoboronexport", "Russian Technologies", which will operate the aircraft before the end of this year.

    - The sound of the air conditioner, which we hear now, is based on, in fact, your main product Sukhoi Superjet, to date, the main experience of its use is probably a pretty intense - it's Mexico, the company Interjet, right? What are the elements that may be operating history allowed you to conclude that the Sukhoi Superjet - it is also a good option for a business jet?

    - Well, in general, the requirements imposed by regular airlines and that makes business aviation, are somewhat different. Of course, for regional aircraft, which is operated on regular lines, range of about 4 thousand. Miles is acceptable. For business jet needs a big range. But basically, it means that the fuel consumption and the characteristics that have been confirmed in the course of operation of the aircraft, said that the aircraft has the ability to be modified and, in fact, a modification that we today can imagine the market, it's just a modification aimed at Use of this aircraft in the interests of business aviation. I think it's very good platform Jet Expo, here I would like to thank the organizers and "Federal Air Transport Agency" for the fact that we have such an opportunity to present new products are not somewhere in overseas stores, but here at the specialized exhibition, which associated just with this segment of aviation.

    - On foreign salons too lucky?

    - Of course, we will be promoting this product, but business aviation such a special segment, and, as a rule, aircraft of this class show not to "Farnborough" and "Le Bourget", and their show at special lounges for business aviation.

    - The one plane that you represent, it is a big business jet so-called, that is, it is still more narrow segment within the entire segment in general aviation business. In the world, I understand that it is quite a small number of aircraft delivered, how many are there in a year that some 25-30 aircraft, probably in the world?

    - I think that comes more aircraft of this class. I think the standard here is Boeing, Airbus. Perhaps the most popular aircraft in its class is the Boeing 737 and A320. They certainly have a few long-range flight, but it is, in general, the level of comfort of the plane, which is closer to it's backbone business jets, built on the base of the trunk of cars, compared with the specialized aircraft such as airplanes business.

    - Well, here we take companies such as Lineage, Boeing, Airbus, which will be your main competitors in this market segment of large business jets, what do you see as the main competitive advantages?

    - We compared with Boeing and Airbus, there is an advantage in terms of cost of the aircraft at that level of comfort is very close to the aircraft, the cross-sectional height of the passenger cabin close to the airplanes of this class is slightly smaller but close. Compared with Lineage, so I want to say that we have a significantly higher level of comfort and a lower price, which also gives us the opportunity to enter the market with a competitive offer.

    - What are the competitive bids? How much you plan to spend time on the development of this project, that it was already known in the world, and how much you are looking to make the aircraft a year, say in 5 years?

    - Well, I think that this year we deliver the first aircraft in the next year we plan to put on the market 3-4 plane, and this aircraft for government customers, as well as for the export market. I think that the production of 4-5 aircraft per year is, in general, corresponds to the volume of the market, well, maybe, if the demand is more, we will consider the opportunities and increase the number of aircraft that can be put on the market.

    - We're sitting in the cabin, I remind you that you have a complete set of 3 potential for this kind of modification or 3 here this Sukhoi Superjet, so to say, business is corporate, VIP and it is the government, right? I understand that the VIP's, so to speak, a high level, least of all the passengers, as I understand it, respectively, within the range, and so on. We are now in what plane?

    - We are in the embodiment of VIP, which is designed for 18 passengers, and, in fact, the range of the aircraft after it was fitted with additional fuel tanks will be more than 7 thousand. Km. Hence, corporate variants, they do not provide for such a flight range, they provide a range at the 5 th. Km.

    - As I understand it, especially in the corporate form of business jets, one of the main issues, maybe it's the price. Not so often, companies carry more than 30 people somewhere, sometimes it is even considered to be uneconomical, it is easier to buy 30 tickets in business class and send people somewhere. What do you think will be distributed now orders: more government will be, more will be a VIP or a more corporate?

    - I think the more popular version of this aircraft is the corporate version, which will be part of the passenger compartment to provide for top-level management, as part of the accompanying persons. Well, I think about the relationship between the variants VIP, in which we are present, the corporate will be approximately 1 to 2, at least, so we estimate the market today.

    - Finish the entire Russian inside the cabin?

    - Yes, it is all the material, well, different materials are used, but it is entirely Russian production, and actually means to me is also very important that we already have the current level of technology, which allows you to go to the level of quality that meets the modern world level.

    - In the prospectus for this aircraft is written that he created together with the Italian company Alenia Aermacchi, what is the contribution of foreign companies?

    - This is generally the entire project jointly developed Sukhoi Superjet c Alenia Aermacchi and, in fact, our Italian colleagues are involved in the production of, and in the interior design, and in particular the Mexican aircraft equipped with one of the interior, which is designed by our Italian colleagues. They are involved in the organization of after-sales service, so I want to say that the aircraft involved in the promotion of the global market, in particular working with Interjet is entirely the responsibility of our joint venture. So well, in an embodiment of a business jet, too, we envisage working together with our Italian colleagues.

    - Are you working on Sukhoi Superjet and now has over one of its business with the Italian company Aermacchi, but I can not help but ask this question, you are not afraid that in the current situation to your foreign partners will be, shall we say, more difficult to work with you?

    - I want to say that the civil aviation market - it is a very international market, and not only do we depend on our foreign suppliers, but also the world's leading manufacturers depend on supplies from Russia. Well, this most famous, then titanium supplies Boeing, Airbus of the Upper Salda from Russia, so I think that there is a common interest to still maintain that a long-term international cooperation, which has been evolving for a long period of time.

    - You want to have some already, obviously, supply in the coming years, or, at least, the study of the market, so to speak, in what areas do you see the greatest prospect for Sukhoi, for his "business jets", I mean to business?

    - For business jets, I believe that the first thing we look at the Russian market, where there is demand and large companies in the aircraft in its class, and government organizations that provide transportation within the framework of the tasks that they address. Well, I believe that the market is in south-east Asia for aircraft of this class, there is a market in Latin America, a successful operating experience in Mexico gives us good reason to rely on the fact that business version of the aircraft will demand.

    - Mikhail, that you will try to persuade Russian businessmen buy the plane, they may also be, that's outside the window here and Gulfstream, Dassault, which just is not worth it?

    - The level of comfort is much higher than in the Gulfstream and Dassault, a cross-sectional plane substantially more, it allows the volume of comfort for passengers.

    - The ceiling, I see here a two-meter man can enter here ...

    - Yes, significantly higher in the Gulfstream there is such a height section, so there are some benefits, but that and for estimating costs of aircraft, we also give a competitive price.

    - You know, then, probably, the last question, but how much is this one palace, flying, in which we are sitting?

    - I want to say that it depends on the customer, because ...

    - Well, this one in particular?

    - This is the subject of a trade secret.
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    Post  Mike E Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:02 pm

    GarryB wrote:Actually I remember someone mentioning that the Russians were working on new large transport aircraft and that "Lifting body" designs were being considered... perhaps they will be related to these widebody designs?

    It would certainly help with transporting armour, for which the Il-476 is considered a bit narrow...


    It would, but lifting bodies haven't shown much usage as of now. For crying out loud they could just redesign the wings and give them more lifting area. I'd rather have them more focussed on aerodynamics...

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