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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:32 pm

    The price quote of course coming from the guy who wants the project to be started, irregardless if his prediction is accurate... Anyways, what would relaunching it entail? Would a modernized avionics make sense? How much more time/cost would that add? What if EASA certification is not aimed for initially?

    Most avionics components are modular and tend to be plug in type stuff, so upgrading the avionics would just be a reshuffle and redesign of the cockpit.

    Using up to date components should make it cheaper and simpler and more capable, while at the same time more standardised with systems used in other similar aircraft after upgrades.

    In the longer term it would save money.

    Imagine trying to build a computer to run software and run hardware from the mid 1990s... you'd need old RAM, and an old motherboard, with an old CPU, with an old OS. Even your hard drive would be a problem... in 1998 the PC I bought that year had an 8GB hard drive... the operating system wouldn't recognise a 2 TB drive back then... you would need a huge number of partitions.

    BTW regarding Putins estimate... I suspect he was weighing all his options and asked for a quote of how much to revive the older design as opposed to an all new from scratch design.

    he has clearly decided that it would be cheaper to revive the old design perhaps with upgrades like avionics and engines that will provide all the features they want without going to the expense or extended time frame of a new design.

    India has a strange tender for a military transport of C-295/Il-112 class tied to JV/tech transfer/etc of civil airliner of similar scale.

    Would be interesting if they could unify the designs so that the light and larger aircraft could be scaled relatives... ie the replacement for the An-32/26 and the replacement for the An-12 could be related and share components/avionics/systems.

    Of course it might just be cheaper to build Il-112s and Il-114s separately.
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    Post  mutantsushi Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:19 pm

    GarryB wrote:Most avionics components are modular and tend to be plug in type stuff, so upgrading the avionics would just be a reshuffle and redesign of the cockpit.
    Using up to date components should make it cheaper and simpler and more capable, while at the same time more standardised with systems used in other similar aircraft after upgrades.
    Right, I just imagined it is a matter of recertification, and depending on how extensive the change is.
    Any of the components that ARE still in production might be candidates to use, but otherwise might as well go for all-new systems, ideally that have commonality with other in-production platforms.

    Would be interesting if [India] could unify the designs so that the light and larger aircraft could be scaled relatives...
    ie the replacement for the An-32/26 and the replacement for the An-12 could be related and share components/avionics/systems.
    Of course it might just be cheaper to build Il-112s and Il-114s separately.
    Il-112's direct analogue is C-27J which shares cockpit with C-130J for the most part.
    IMHO, trying to unify Il-112 and MTA is a pretty good idea that would appeal to India (and be in Il-112's favor re: selection over C-295),
    but Il-114 would probably remain distinct (likewise as ATR is distinct), perhaps with a derivative of MS-21 and/or An-148 cockpit avionics?
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:17 am

    but Il-114 would probably remain distinct (likewise as ATR is distinct), perhaps with a derivative of MS-21 and/or An-148 cockpit avionics?

    They have been working on modular equipment from rifles to tanks, it shouldn't be too hard to develop standardised cockpits, or in the case of lots of MFDs modular software. The Il-114 might already have a standard cockpit layout but an upgrade to make it MTA/Il-112 like would be beneficial for all three aircraft. Having a standard transport cockpit layout would be useful.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:25 am

    Please keep it civil.... hahahahaha... no seriously.

    Keep on topic please.
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    Post  mutantsushi Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:42 pm

    Here is an update on India's strange civil/military tender project, elucidating some of the problems with tender's conceptual framework...
    IMHO, not focusing on 100% localization in both projects, but on achieving production sharing of a certain %/value would be the rational approach,
    and likewise a rational "first step" for a local private Indian company to take, before taking on full production of TWO airliner/transport planes.
    The quote also goes into the problems with Antonov and Ukraine, delaying the tender would seem to allow Ilyushin to get it's project in order completely.
    (IMHO the original tender's strange melange of civil and military requirements was tilted towards An-148, but that may now not be a viable option)

    http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140727/DEFREG03/307270010/India-s-Tender-Private-Sector-Built-Airlifter-May-Not-Take-Off
    When the MoD decided to go ahead with the private-sector aircraft effort, only Airbus and Antonov participated in a pre-bid meeting in April, an MoD source said.

    In May 2013, the global tender for procurement of 56 aircraft was sent to Airbus Defence and Space, Alenia Aeronautica, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Antonov Design Bureau, Ilyushin Design Bureau and Embraer.

    Ukraine-based Antonov informally informed MoD that it could not transfer aircraft technology because a majority of the systems are sourced from Russia’s Voronezh Aircraft Production Association. Moscow has stopped export of these technologies to the Ukrainian company.

    Antonov had negotiated with domestic private-sector major Tata Advanced Systems for licensed production of its An-148 aircraft.

    No executive of Antonov was available for comment.

    That leaves Airbus as the sole overseas bidder likely to be in the fray. Airbus has already teamed with domestic private company Larsen & Toubro for licensed production of the Airbus C-295 aircraft.

    However, domestic industry has labeled the program as too small.

    An executive of the Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry (FICCI), the lobbying agency of the domestic private sector, said it welcomes the govern­ment’s decision to allow private local companies as production partners. But because only 40 aircraft will be produced under license in India and the remaining 16 will be imported, the Avro replacement program is not economically viable for a private firm.

    “An order for licensed production of at least 75 aircraft would be economically viable as the domestic company will have to set up production facilities worth over $500 million,” the FICCI executive said.
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    Post  mutantsushi Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:05 am

    BTW, is anybody familiar with the hot and high performance of TV7-117 and/or Il-114?  
    Can be relevant in some regions, Indian Himalayas I'm thinking in particular.

    Here's a pic I found comparing firm orders for regional jets including SSJ,
    and it does suprisingly well considering the dearth of coverage it receives in Western press.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:08 am

    mutantsushi wrote:BTW, is anybody familiar with the hot and high performance of TV7-117 and/or Il-114?

    I think for a turbine engine, the H&H performance issue really boils down to the takeoff thrust/power-to-weight ratio, as the thrust/power rate of TV7-117 family would not define any constraint in this regard; so it really boils down to mostly a question about the aircraft as a whole.
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    Post  George1 Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:45 pm

    Russian government approved the implementation plan for the state program “Development of Aircraft Industry” for 2014-2016
    Russian Aviaton » Wednesday July 30, 2014 19:20 MSK

    Russian government approved the implementation plan for the state program “Development of Aircraft Industry for 2013-2025” for 2014 and the 2015-2016 period, stated at the government’s website.

    The corresponding government decree №1395-r signed on July 25th 2014 was posted at the website on July 28th 2014. The draft government decree was elaborated by Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade.

    «The implementation plan for the state program “Development of Aircraft Industry for 2013-2025” (the program was approved by the government decree №303 signed on April 15th 2014) for 2014 and the 2015-2016 period was elaborated in order to monitor the program’s status», - said in the notes to the decree.

    The plan includes the list of milestones and milestone dates for each project specified in the state program. The most important ones are:

    - final assembly and the first flight of MS-21 prototype (2016);
    - development of a light multi-role aircraft prototype (seating 19 passengers) and finalization of the working design documentation for a commuter aircraft seating 9 passengers (2016);
    - obtaining the certificate issued by Aviation Registry of IAC for Mi-38 helicopter (2015);
    - maiden flight of a flying testbed of the advanced high-speed helicopter (2015);
    - maiden flight of Ka-62 multi-role helicopter (2014).


    «A total of 69 milestones have been included in the plan for 2014-2016 period (the previous plan comprised 47 milestones). 51 out of 69 milestones have been included in a step-by-step implementation plan comprising annual indicators, which allow reaching the target values set by the presidential decree №596 signed on May 12th 2012 «About long-term state economic policy», - the government noted.
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    Post  George1 Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:09 pm

    Vladimir Putin called on the government to create conditions for development of regional air transportation

    Vladimir Putin called on the government to create conditions for development of regional air transportation. He stated it during a meeting with government representatives dedicated to fulfillment of tasks set by the president in his letter to the Federal Assembly and orders signed in May 2012.

    According to the president’s press-service, one of the major items of the agenda was future of regional air transportation. «Today the passenger traffic on regional air lines increased by 11% as compared to last year and reached 41,5 million passengers. Last year the passenger traffic growth rates for international air lines significantly exceeded the indicators for domestic air lines, however, this year the trend changed: passenger traffic on regional air lines grows three times faster as compared to international air lines. Passenger traffic of Russian carriers on domestic air lines has already reached 20 million passengers. These milestones have been reached thanks to programs aimed at supporting the regional transportation. There are 5 such programs; about 9 billion rubles will be allocated by the Ministry of Transport for supporting the regional air transportation. This support will allow the carriers to transport additional 1,5 million passengers and open 80 new destinations», - Minister of Transport, Maxim Sokolov, said.

    The president, in his own turn, reminded that some governors asked to help them transfer some infrastructure facilities to the ministry. «We have made a decision to develop the regional air lines and we must establish a company responsible for it. The government has signed corresponding documents. We must take this infrastructure away from them», - Vladimir Putin said.

    In addition, Sokolov said that the government of Russian Federation made a decision to increase the number of airports forming part of “Aeroporti Dalnego Vostoka” (Airports of the Far East) fiscal enterprise as well as include seven more airports in the “Aeroporti Krasnoyarya” (Airports of Krasnoyarsk Region) fiscal enterprise. In addition, a budget process is in progress: if the corresponding decisions are made the airports will be included in the fiscal enterprise next year. «Today about 55 out of 300 regional aviation airports form part of fiscal enterprises. These are airports located in Siberia, Far East and far north. In the network of these measures we will shoulder the costs of maintenance and development of the infrastructure», - Sokolov stated.

    The president also noted that it is necessary to speed up the process of transferring the infrastructure and develop supportive measures for regions in order to make production of general aviation aircraft in Russia profitable. «The market needs such aircraft, but there are no orders, because it is too expensive. So we must offer schemes allowing us to increase passenger traffic on these routes and manufacture indigenous aircraft», - the president said.

    «The abovementioned measures include some of the programs. These are 3,5 billion rubles intended for supporting regional air transportation and about 600 million rubles (funds from the federal budget) – for supporting a pilot project implemented in Volga Federal District. These measures helped us promote the regional air transportation and open 100 new destinations and we plan to open 80 new routes this year, - Maxim Sokolov added. – We have elaborated a program in cooperation with the Ministry of Industry and Trade and I think that the steps taken will give an impulse to development of new advanced regional aircraft, which will replace An-24 and An-2 liners».

    Finally, Vladimir Putin stressed the importance of market in terms of passenger traffic growth. «We need this market; we need this market to have a customer demand. If there is no demand, no one will manufacture the aircraft. We will be purchasing batches of two or three liners in foreign countries, but that is not what we need to develop the national aviation. I ask you to think it over», - the president stated.
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    Post  George1 Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:02 pm

    Assembly of fuselage of the first An-178 transport aircraft on the jig has been completed

    On July 29th 2014 assembly of fuselage of the first An−178 medium transport aircraft on the jig has been completed by Antonov State Enterprise, the company’s press-service reports.

    “Now the final assembly of the aircraft starts: junction of major airframe components (wing, empennage, pylons, nacelles, etc.), installation of aircraft systems, testing of aircraft equipment and preparation of the aircraft for its maiden flight and certification testing. The special aspect of this project is usage of paperless technology during design and production of the aircraft. The technology uses state-of-the-art PLM software NX/TeamCenter comprising electronic annotated 3D models, which help decrease development time and labor intensity of design, production and assembly of the first prototype”, - the company noted.

    An−178 is the new member of An−148/158 Family (the passenger aircraft of the family are able to carry from 68 to 99 passengers). The jets demonstrated good results during operation under various climatic and weather conditions, from unpaved and high-altitude airfields.

    Development of An−178 is based on market studies. Modern trend in the area of development of ramp military aircraft is replacement of four-engine turboprop medium aircraft with twinjets. Having close fuel consumption per hour, twinjets provide higher efficiency thanks to higher cruising speed. President – General Designer of Antonov State Enterprise, Dmitry Keeva, said: “An−178 is our future! We are developing this vehicle using vast experience of older generation of Antonov’s employees combined with the cutting-edge technologies successfully used by our younger specialists. The project is financed from our own funds. We are confident that An−178 will be among world’s best transport aircraft. In particular, it will be able to replace famous An−12 vehicles (more than 1400 aircraft of the type have been manufactured) and C−160 (more than 200 vehicles have been manufactured)”.

    “An−178 will successfully perform all the tasks of a military transport aircraft, including logistic support, airdrop of cargo and troops, medevac operations, transportation of light vehicles, delivery of equipment and engines. Besides, unique feature of the An−178 is ability to carry all the types of the existing palletized and containerized cargo, including large-size sea containers 1C. This makes the jet an irreplaceable transport in terms of provision of logistic support in both commercial and military segments, as well as in case of any emergencies”, - the press-service explained.

    A.M. Kulik, Chairman of Sviatoshyn District State Administration in Kyiv, congratulated the employees of Antonov with achieving significant milestones in the network of An−178 program: “An−178 is what our economy and our country need. This project provides new jobs and cutting-edge technologies. I would like to thank Antonov for supporting our district, our city and the whole Ukraine”.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:58 am

    Ooops George... as it mentions in the article this is a Ukrainian aircraft and therefore does not belong in the Russian armed forces/Russian Air Forces/Russian civil aviation section...
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    Post  George1 Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:29 pm

    Aviacor aviation plant approved the launch of serial production of Il-114 aircraft
    Russian Aviaton » Thursday August 14, 2014 13:43 MSK

    On August 12th 2014 the Board of Directors of Samara-based Aviacor aviation plant made a decision to launch the serial production of Il-114 aircraft, Volga-News reports with reference to the enterprise’s official documents.

    The production costs will be calculated after elaboration of production plan and business plan.

    We remind you that Aviacor considered Il-114 regional aircraft seating 64 passengers as an alternative to An-140. The plant encountered problems connected with production of An-140 caused by the situation in Ukraine, where the plant’s suppliers are located. Earlier Il-114 was being manufactured in Uzbekistan.

    According to the management team of Aviacor, it will take five years to launch of serial production and upgrade the aircraft. The cost of this project is 12 billion rubles.

    It was reported earlier that the president of Russia, Vladimir Putin, instructed the government to estimate the feasibility of a project for launching serial production of Il-114 aircraft at Aviacor. The aircraft will be delivered to Russian Ministry of Defense and civil aviation enterprises.
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    Post  Mindstorm Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:14 am




    Борис Алёшин ,General Director of highly renowed Центра́льный аэрогидродинами́ческий институ́т -TsAGI Institute- release a good interview on an oftenly "obscured" subject : rate of development and level of scientific achievements by part of domestic Scientific Instuitutions and theirs role and share in the development of the most promising and cutting-edge foreign aero-space programs.....since at least '90 years.

    Here, the traditional secrecy and discretion by part of our field operators , allow foreign PR-oriented or even controled media operator to attempt, too often unconstested, to completely twist the reality and to provide a totally falsified picture of the state of thing in the most advanced aero-space sectors


    http://vpk.name/news/115663_gendirektor_cagi_nasha_avianauka__mirovoi_lider_prosto_myi_sebya_ne_propagandirovali.html


    Но наша оплошность в том, что мы не пропагандировали то, что мы делали в международном сотрудничестве и для "Боинга", и для "Аирбаса"

    В пятой, шестой и седьмой рамочных программах Еврокомиссии мы имеем порядка тридцати работ, где являемся лидерами. За решениями, за технологиями обращаются к нам".

    Enough said.

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    Post  Werewolf Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:40 pm

    A humble and high quality institute.
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    Post  Austin Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:44 pm

    IL-114 to the Crimea will not reach

    http://www.ato.ru/blogs/blog-alekseya-sinickogo/il-114-do-kryma-ne-doletit


    August 13 Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin wrote on his Twitter the following: "Today, the Russian government is considering expanding domestic production of regional aircraft, in particular, IL-114, "then added," also addressed the issue of creating the airline to ensure regular air bridge the Crimea with the domestic fleet. "


    It is hardly necessary to consider social networks a reliable source of information, but Dmitry Rogozin, allegedly appears on his Twitter quite officially.  So it is possible to discuss the issue.
    Some commentators have already put two in one tweet and came to the conclusion, if Dmitry O. offers to fly in the Crimea on the Il-114.  Given the characteristics of this aircraft (capacity 64 passengers., A cruising speed of 500 km / h, range 1,500 km), we will not ascribe Rogozin something he could not tell.  Il-114 transport in the Crimea is not organized, except that of the Rostov-on-Don to fly.  This aircraft to other routes.


    However, the need for aircraft of this class in Russia is objectively there, so the idea is to organize the production of IL-114 deserves attention.  It should, however, take into account a number of nuances.


    The decision to organize mass production of IL-114 has received the Board of Directors of JSC "Aviacor - Samara aviation plant."  Being once privatized, it was not included in the company's United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), although this issue was discussed, and it turned out to be outside the existing airframe programs.  Until relatively recently, "Aviacor" finishing work in single copies of the Tu-154 (the main specialization of the aircraft factory at sovetstkih power), he also engaged in overhaul of the aircraft.  In addition, the "Aviakor" was organized by the production of regional turboprop aircraft An-140 in conjunction with the Kharkov aircraft factory, but cooperation with Ukrainian companies and above caused significant problems, and on the current situation and does hardly possible.  As a result, "Aviacor" released just ten An-140 and the completion of the existing order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is a big question.


    So that the orientation of the IL-114 would be for "Aviacor" strategically correct.  According to the management of the enterprise, set-up production, as well as the digitization and modernization of the aircraft will take about five years and 12 billion rubles.  You have to understand that it would be absurd to resume production of the aircraft according to the old pattern-lofting technologies in the form in which it was held at the Tashkent Aviation Production Association.  Chkalov (TAPC).  Since IL-114 will have to do the same thing that happened with the IL-76 when moving its production from TAPOiCH at Ulyanovsk aircraft factory - the plane was fully digitized and translated into modern production technology.  When digitizing IL-76 is constantly there were situations when the items carefully measured to the last screw disassembled aircraft did not fit in the electronic computer models and designers had to fit the size of, and in fact - to engage in redesign of the aircraft.  In general, the task is difficult, but doable.


    Obviously, you can not miss the opportunity to modernize the aircraft - primarily for its avionics.  Even if you do not focus on foreign developments (almost all IL-114-100 issued TAPOiCH worth onboard avionics American firm Rockwell Collins), the Russian company "Radio-electronic technology" (KRET) is quite advanced in this direction, so that it would be reasonable to apply its new development.


    Particular attention must be given to the engines.  IL-114-100, which successfully fly in Uzbekistan, equipped with turboprop engines PW127H production North American company Pratt & Whitney Canada.  In the Russian Il-114 with Russian engines TV7-117S exploited airline "Vyborg", which ceased operations in 2010 - it was withdrawn operator's certificate.  There were several reasons, but one of them - the high accident flight, which, in turn, been connected with the operation of the engines TV7-117S IL-114.  The most serious episode that you want to recall - is the destruction of the disk of the fourth stage of the compressor of the left engine of the aircraft IL-114 (tail number RA-91105) on a flight from Murmansk to St. Petersburg July 8, 2003 The crew had zaflyugirovat propeller, turn off the engine and apply the system fire fighting, and then was made a successful landing at the airport of departure, but the consequences of such failures can be extremely serious.  It is clear that the work on the engine TV7-117S continue and certainly many problems have disappeared, but claims to this engine in service was very high.  In principle, it would be reasonable when creating de facto an upgraded version of the Il-114 focus on two engines, including foreign (especially considering that IL-114-100 successfully flies and has a Russian type certificate), that would be favorably affected and export potential of the aircraft, but at the current fascination with import substitution this question lies in the field of politics, not technology and economics.


    In general, the first tweet, Dmitry Rogozin, we can conclude that the initiative with IL-114 is quite reasonable and has a right to exist, but it is necessary to take into account a number of important aspects that will require additional time and money.  Solution to a complex problem may not be easy.


    The same argument applies fully and the second tweet, Dmitry Rogozin.  Organization of airlines to fly to the Crimea on the aircraft produced in Russia, in principle, possible, but it is also fraught with a number of serious problems, which we have already spoken .
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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:10 am

    All this sanction stuff is going to cost western engine makers a lot of money.

    Hopefully Russian engines will get the investment they need now and Russian light aircraft that were in limbo can now be digitised, upgraded, Russianised electronically, and put into production.
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    Post  Sujoy Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:50 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:
    http://vpk.name/news/115663_gendirektor_cagi_nasha_avianauka__mirovoi_lider_prosto_myi_sebya_ne_propagandirovali.html

    This is a really good find Mindstorm . My vote .

    Just last week I was arguing with an individual from Boeing India  that India should have opted for Russian AEW&C radar on the A-50 and not the Israeli EL/W 2090 . To which he replied that Russia does not have any AEW&C radar as good as the EL/W 2090.

    I suspect this cannot be true . Over the last 10 years Putin has invested billions of dollars in the Arms Industry . Moreover , Russian programmers dominate competitions like Code Jam and Top Coder . So obviously it is not a case of either lack of talent or lack of resources .

    Eventually India will need around 15 A-50s . So , it will be a pity if none of these A-50s come with a Russian AEW& C radar .
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    Post  medo Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:43 pm

    I wonder, if Russia could put Su-80 in production, to replace An-140 and old An-26 planes.
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    Post  Mike E Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:02 pm

    The SU-80 is much smaller than those aircraft, so it would need to be stretched at the very least.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:12 am

    the Il-114 and Il-112 should be easily good enough for the job... if the russian economy had not collapsed and the russian military had continued to maintain aircraft and buy replacements both aircraft would likely have been in service in significant numbers by now. the Purchase of the An-140 was largely political... throwing the Ukraine a bone and creating ties... something the west has really yet to do... there are not likely to be large orders of military or aviation equipment from the west for Ukrainian products... the former eastern block countries will buy F-16s to reward US producers for winning the cold war, but the west will have no interest in maintaining a ukrainian rival to their own products... no An-70 when it could compete with A-400M...
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    Post  Mike E Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:30 am

    Those three aircraft should be able to meet the requirements.  cheers
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    Post  Sujoy Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:44 pm

    GarryB wrote:the Il-114 and Il-112 should be easily good enough for the job...

    YES ! Eventually I suspect the IL-214 MTA will take over this job .

    I wonder if the IL-214 MTA can also be used as an AEW &C aircraft .


    GarryB wrote:if the russian economy had not collapsed and the russian military had continued to maintain aircraft and buy replacements both aircraft would likely have been in service in significant numbers by now.


    Russian economy will not collapse . Here is why

    http://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/08/20/foreign_capital_returns_to_russia_37675.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/27/russia-sanctions-hit-western-business-boeing-banking
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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:25 am

    YES ! Eventually I suspect the IL-214 MTA will take over this job .

    I wonder if the IL-214 MTA can also be used as an AEW &C aircraft

    The purpose of the Il-112 and Il-114 is to replace light transports... the Il-114T can carry up to a 7 ton payload about 800km range, and about a 1.5 ton payload to almost 5,000km.

    The Il-112 is a high wing version with slightly better performance carrying a 2 ton payload to 5,000km.

    the Il-112 was abandoned in favour of the An-140.

    In other words the Il-114 was a replacement for the An-24/26/32 in Soviet service and the replacement for the Il-114 was either going to be the Il-112 or the An-140. They chose the An-140 to keep Antonov afloat and to earn brownie points with the Ukraines politicians... who clearly don't care.

    they seem to have decided to fully digitise and update the Il-114 and replace all the western components (avionics and engines) with Russian components which should improve performance sufficiently to make the Il-114 good enough to replace the An-24s, An-26s, and An-32s in Russian service and eventually the An-140s as well.

    Ihe Il-214 is in a weight class above the Il-114 with a max payload of 20 tons they are as different as an Mi-17 and an Mi-26 in oayloads.

    The Il-214 will replace the An-12 in Russian service and Indian service...

    I suspect the Il-214 would make an excellent AWACS aircraft with a modern array of sensors and up to date computers and electronics it would be an affordable AWACS aircraft that could be sold widely and greatly improve the performances of air defences around the world without costing too much.

    It would not likely be carrier capable however as it would probably be too big to take off and land.

    Russian economy will not collapse . Here is why

    I did not say the Russian economy will collapse... it collapsed about three times in the 1990s... a period when military spending practically stopped.
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    Post  George1 Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:06 am

    11 Tu-204 aircraft may be manufactured on an urgent basis in order to perform flights to Crimea
    Russian Aviaton » Thursday August 21, 2014 12:31 MSK

    Tu-204SM aircraft got its second chance in light of development of air transportation between Russian cities and Crimea. It was stated by the Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade, Yuri Slusar, on August 15th at the opening of International Air Transport Forum in Ulyanovsk Region, press-service of the governor and the government of Ulyanovsk Region reports.

    We remind you that one of the major topics of this forum is establishment of a center for development of transport aircraft in the region.

    The opening ceremony was attended by the Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade, Yuri Slusar; Executive Vice-President of United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), Alexander Tulyakov; head of EMERCOM aviation administration, Radik Asilbaev; member of the Federation Council of constituent of the Russian Federation, Gennady Savinov. Governor of the Ulyanovsk Region, Sergey Morozov, congratulated participants and visitors with the opening of the forum, the press-service added.

    «I would like to thank the Chairman of the government of Russian Federation, Dmitry Medvedev, for supporting this event as well as his deputy – Dmitry Rogozin, who is dealing with all the matters related to aviation and Ulyanovsk Aviation Cluster. I am confident that such events will help us solve a number of problems, establish contacts and cooperate in future. I believe that we need to leave the competition between clusters behind and move to the full-scale integration focused on achieving results. We must establish cooperation between clusters and keep strengthening the positions of Russian industry», - the governor said.

    He also proposed to elaborate a program called “Aviation Nation” on the basis of Association of aviation regions. In addition, the organization’s activities must be supported by an expert council.

    Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade, Yuri Slusar, said that position of regional authorities is very important for development of aviation and aircraft industry. «I would like to admit that Tu-204SM aircraft manufactured by Ulyanovsk aviation plant got another chance in light of establishment of a new airline in Crimea. We plan to manufacture 11 jets of the type and deliver the vehicles to the carrier; the airline may even get a discount», - Yuri Slusar admitted.

    The possibility of establishing a center for development of transport aircraft in Ulyanovsk Region was also discussed at the ceremony. According to Sergey Morozov, it will be the largest infrastructure and industrial innovative project aimed at reconstruction of the national aircraft industry in the transport aircraft segment. This means that the region will create the most comfortable conditions for aviation business (including legal basis and infrastructure).

    «In order to solve this problem we are going to consolidate our design bureaus (we have five ones), develop research departments and material processing centers, create a number of industrial park parks focused on aircraft industry and assure the full cycle of personnel training. Actually we have all the necessary capabilities – production, scientific and educational basis. Our current goal is to find the missing elements and establish cooperation with Russian and foreign companies using the capabilities of the port special economic zone, Zavolzhye industrial zone and other infrastructure projects», - the governor added.
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    Post  Austin Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:05 pm

    So they are going to make IL-112 for Military Transport and IL-114 for Civil Transport ?

    So 11 Tu-204SM is great news for the program .......hopefully they make more for civil program . Tu-204SM is a beautiful aircraft and I always liked it.

    Sanctions are a great boon for local economy as it forces you from using easy import option and devlop something yourself ........we in India have been under US sanction for long and its been a blessing in disguise and it would be the same for Russia.

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