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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:11 am

    Several planes have crashed during early flights... at least one airbus springs to mind in that regard...

    Very simply... there are many opposed to the very idea of a Russian designed aircraft and this will be evidence they were right.

    There are also those that were considering the aircraft, and if they were truly considering it rather than just pretending to consider it just to look open minded then they would wait till the accident report is out before deciding.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:35 am

    What an incredible fuckup that whole thing was - killing off our own customers!

    Frankly, if the Superjet tanks because of this - then we deserve it. We should stop letting idiots be in charge of airlines/production/whatever before we go into such a sensitive industry as civil aircraft production.

    It's better (though still very bad) when corruption and negligence takes its toll on our unmanned satellite launches and so on, but for passanger airliners every such mistake is paid in rivers of blood.
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    Post  Austin Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:40 am

    Superjet crashed due to pilot negligence , he was flying low and fast in an area he did not knew and he ignored all warnings from the aircraft.

    Its a pity that pilots lack self discipline and in the end hurt the project
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:30 am

    Austin wrote:Superjet crashed due to pilot negligence , he was flying low and fast in an area he did not knew and he ignored all warnings from the aircraft.

    Its a pity that pilots lack self discipline and in the end hurt the project

    So then the problem is with pilot training/examinations/pilot cadres, or perhaps Aeroflot's lack of background & psychological selection on its test pilot candidates. Still our problem though, and until we get it sorted out we have no business selling civil airliners.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:31 am

    Still our problem though, and until we get it sorted out we have no business selling civil airliners.

    If those were the conditions no one would be selling airliners...

    Sure the guy made a mistake... give him a break... he paid for it with his life.
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    Post  TR1 Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:49 am

    Yeah, I think its best to keep speculation over who was an idiot and where to a minimum until firm reports come out.
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    Post  Austin Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:30 pm

    Irkut MC-21 tour

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgYJQGB4moo
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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:29 am

    Yeah, I think its best to keep speculation over who was an idiot and where to a minimum until firm reports come out.

    This wasn't just any flight... the pilot and crew would have been under enormous pressure to make the plane look good. Perhaps in that situation, under that pressure, they took risks they would normally never take... it is impossible to say for sure with just speculation. These guys were professionals and wont have knowingly risked their lives just to sell planes...
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:52 pm

    The main problem now is that the superjet and such are no better than the average airbuses or boeings. Unless the russian air industry makes an aircraft completely superior to any of its western counterparts every nonthirdworld airline will yawn at the russian offer and keep going for the tried and tested airbus-boeing duo
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    Post  TR1 Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:05 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:The main problem now is that the superjet and such are no better than the average airbuses or boeings. Unless the russian air industry makes an aircraft completely superior to any of its western counterparts every nonthirdworld airline will yawn at the russian offer and keep going for the tried and tested airbus-boeing duo

    The Superjet doesn't even compete with Boeing or Airbus...
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    Post  George1 Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:25 am

    TR1 wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:The main problem now is that the superjet and such are no better than the average airbuses or boeings. Unless the russian air industry makes an aircraft completely superior to any of its western counterparts every nonthirdworld airline will yawn at the russian offer and keep going for the tried and tested airbus-boeing duo

    The Superjet doesn't even compete with Boeing or Airbus...

    Irkut MS-21 will compete i think
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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:54 am

    That is not true. According to the specs the Russian jet should be fairly cheap to operate and should be very competitive with equivalent Airbus and Boeing designs.
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    Post  TheArmenian Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:17 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:The main problem now is that the superjet and such are no better than the average airbuses or boeings. Unless the russian air industry makes an aircraft completely superior to any of its western counterparts every nonthirdworld airline will yawn at the russian offer and keep going for the tried and tested airbus-boeing duo

    The Superjet is a regional jet that is competing against the Embraers and Canadairs. It is superior to both of them, that is why it has received orders from Mexican, Indonesian, Italian, Swiss and even US airlines.

    The Boeings and Airuses are larger airliners. The soon coming MC-21 will be competing against them.
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    Post  Austin Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:11 am

    Nice Interview

    "Once again, flying at high angles of attack, the flutter, the noise"
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    Post  TR1 Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:16 am

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/402317.html

    "Rossya" ordering another 3 Tu-214SP
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    Post  Austin Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:21 am

    Some real good news for Russian Civil Aircraft makers , Lots of buy from State for their new aircraft

    via Keypubs


    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/414976.html
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    $600 million of the total $8.6 billion will go to Antonov in Ukraine in the form of royalties in connection with design and patents they own as part of the An-148 program, but all the rest remains in Russia to further strengthen the "unbreakable Soviet industrial machine."

    This contract only concerns 105 new built "people movers." Additional contracts for specialized aircraft like refuelers and ELINT jets for the MoD are planned.

    The MoD will get -- 39 An-148's, 2 Tu-214's, 11 Tu-204SM's.

    The Presidential administration, which is charged with ferrying about VIP's will get -- 6 An-148's, 6 Tu-214's, 8 Il-96-300's, and 1 Tu-204-300.

    The FSB will get -- 4 An-148's, 2 Tu-214's, 1 Il-476, and 2 Tu-204-300's.

    The MVD will get -- 6 An-148's 2 Tu-204SM's, and 2 SSJ's.

    The Ministry of Emergencies (commie FEMA) will get -- 2 An-148's, 4 Il-476's and 1 Tu-204-300.

    Roscosmos will get -- 3 Tu-214's, and 3 SSJ's.


    Russia’s ministries to order 130 aircraft from UAC

    Several Russian ministries have nearly completed a consolidated order for about 130 aircraft from United Aircraft Corp. (UAC), Vedomosti newspaper reported. The Ministries of Defense, Internal Affairs and other Russian agencies plan to order a mix of Antonov 148s, Sukhoi Superjet 100s, Tupolev 204SMs and Ilyushin 476 cargo planes.

    Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov said the order will be a version of the state support for UAC, which will assist in promoting Russian aircraft abroad. Earlier this year, Manturov suggested that not more than 20% of the price of each aircraft should be subsidized. The rest should be covered by the long-term credits and leasing agreements.

    According to Vedomosti, the Ministry of Defense will be the main customer, as it will decommission 80 civil aircraft through 2018. It currently operates mainly old Soviet-built aircraft such as Ilyushin Il-62s and Tupolev Tu-134s and -154s, which cost the state nearly $40 million per year due to their low-fuel efficiency, Manturov said.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:04 am

    Hope someone alerts Putin that their ministry of emergencies... bascially the state rescue service is communist...

    The Ministry of Emergencies (commie FEMA) will get -- 2 An-148's, 4 Il-476's and 1 Tu-204-300.

    Or are they unable to spell properly and mean a communist leg bone?
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    Post  Austin Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:27 pm

    Hahah the comie part came from the news I posted from keypubs even I didnt see that makes a good humour Laughing

    Nice Details on PD-14 engine from the designer , Its really an impressive engine and great accomplishment by Russians

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/24294/
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    Post  TR1 Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:38 pm

    Definitely a big boost from PS-90.
    The development pace seems refreshingly brisk as well.
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    Post  Austin Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:33 am

    Here is a comparision of PD-14 with its peers wish they had this chart in English

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    Post  Austin Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:19 pm

    Superjet 100 Exonerated, Image Still Under Repair

    Indonesian aviation authorities have found that human factors and a series of small technical problems involving air traffic control led to the crash of Sukhoi Superjet 100 S/N 95004 on May 9 near Jakarta, killing 45 people. Investigators concluded that the cockpit crew of the ill-fated demonstration flight, unaware of the mountainous area surrounding their flight path, disregarded an alert from the airplane’s terrain awareness and warning system (Taws). The report also notes that the Jakarta radar service had not established the minimum vectoring altitudes and lacked a functioning minimum safe altitude warning for the particular area surrounding the crash site on Mount Salak. Finally, says the report, prolonged conversation not related to the progress of the flight distracted the flight crew and resulted in the pilot’s inadvertently exiting a right orbit he had requested and for which he had received ATC approval.

    During a special briefing in Moscow Tuesday, Russian deputy minister for industry and trade Yuri Slyusar conceded that, despite the report’s failure to mention any technical fault with the airplane, the accident had already damaged the Superjet’s reputation. “This catastrophe delivered a strong blow to the commercial prospects for the Superjet project,” he said. However, he said he thinks that Indonesian type certification and plans by local airline PT SkyAviation to take delivery of its first airplane by the end of this year have repaired the Superjet’s image to a degree.

    Sukhoi claims the Superjet 100 holds an 8-percent efficiency advantage over the Embraer E190, but few examples of the Sukhoi have yet to enter service. Not until December 18 did Sukhoi deliver another SSJ100–to Russia’s Yakutia Airlines–since sending Aeroflot its tenth in September. Under a newly adjusted plan, Sukhoi plans to assemble 25 airplanes next year, 42 in 2014 and 50 in 2015.

    As of December 16, Aeroflot’s Superjet fleet averaged between 1.9 and 3.9 hours’ utilization a day and had amassed nearly 15,400 hours during 8,138 flights. While giving a generally positive assessment of the airplane’s handling qualities, Aeroflot has complained of high noise during extension and retraction of the wing high-lift devices, false fuel readings and spotty reliability of the air conditioning system. Software, after repeated updates, continues to cause problems, as has the flight management system (FMS) in certain modes. A more serious flaw involves the Taws, which works correctly only when both pilots have selected the same map scale on their navigation displays. Should a crewmember select a different map scale, a “TAWS FAIL” warning message appears and “TERRAIN” vanishes from both screens. Finally, the system does not supply information on terrain at flight altitudes above 2,000 feet agl.
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    Post  TR1 Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:42 am

    For anyone interested in Russian light aviation:

    http://www.discovery-aviation.com/site/

    Website recently went up, about the plane formerly known as Accord 201. One of the the handful of planes certified in Russia post USSR; they are in the process of starting construction in the United States as well (the Russian facility shares an airfield with the MiG Sokol factory). The plane is a light two engine amphibian; I happen to know some people in the program so this is my shameless plug.

    Vid of the bird:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0mSPOsxpNc&feature=player_embedded#!
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    Post  a89 Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:04 pm

    Interview with general director of Ilyushin (it's the company's 80th anniversary). Some comments:

    - Il-76-MD90A portfolio could reach 1 trillion roubles. To give an idea, 39 have been acquired for 140 billion roubles.
    - He hopes to resume production of Il-112.
    - Design work has started on Russian-Indian MTA.
    - Work on An-124 frozen, but Ilyushin is happy to cooperate.
    - Details on Il-76-MD90A and how it became digital but not much about future of Il-96.

    aex.ru/docs/3/2013/1/13/1709/&usg=ALkJrhgQZ0c06Mnr-tXDjTQBgruKnvuomQ
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:06 am

    Would love to see them reopen work on the Il-106... perhaps with more powerful engines.

    80 ton payload class aircraft were very useful in the past... the An-22 was a popular and useful aircraft and with the increase in vehicle masses and a change in their physical dimensions making them less than ideal in the Il-76 and upgrades I think an 80 ton capacity transport would be very popular in the international market.

    The only real competition is the C-17 which is selling largely because there is no real western alternative and if you want to move a western tank the transport costs of the C-17 would be lower than an An-124. Of course the purchase price of the An-124 means you could probably buy 3 or 4 An-124s for the price of one C-17 so unless they make the Il-106 out of solid gold it should be very competitive if not superior in terms of performance as well as being cheaper to buy and operate.

    In fact improving it to perhaps a 110 ton capacity might make it even more desirable without increasing its operating costs too far.
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    Post  Austin Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:26 am

    a89 wrote:Interview with general director of Ilyushin (it's the company's 80th anniversary). Some comments:

    - Il-76-MD90A portfolio could reach 1 trillion roubles. To give an idea, 39 have been acquired for 140 billion roubles.
    - He hopes to resume production of Il-112.
    - Design work has started on Russian-Indian MTA.
    - Work on An-124 frozen, but Ilyushin is happy to cooperate.
    - Details on Il-76-MD90A and how it became digital but not much about future of Il-96.

    aex.ru/docs/3/2013/1/13/1709/&usg=ALkJrhgQZ0c06Mnr-tXDjTQBgruKnvuomQ

    Very Interesting and Thanks for the find.

    So MTA will have 3 Engine option , PS-90-76 , PD-14 and One Foreign engine.

    I think Russia and India would go for PS-90A-76 since its been proven reliable and is operational for some time , The foreign engine is for export customers who might want to have another engine , Since Certifying an aircraft with a Western Engine or any new Engine needs Time , Effort and Money.

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