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    PLA Air Force General News Thread:

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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:14 am

    Chinese just want to take US place. They will be the same crazy assholes as US are today. They are led by their appetite for money.

    That is what the US wants the world to think... everyone basically wants to be the US, but anyone else being the US (ie leader of the world, sole super power, world police force) would be much much worse than the US currently is so it is in everyones interests to help the US beat down any and all rivals to make sure the US stays on top and all powerful... part of their game is to use other factions to beat down on its main rivals to damage both essentially... so they are happy to involve India and the EU in this little conflict against China, because they know it will damage every party and want to be able to use other countries and groups of countries as cannon fodder to limit its own exposure to damage.

    The Chinese in charge were not US or British educated, just like Putin is not so they simply don't think in colonial terms of we are better than them and those savages need someone to lead and me by my pale skin colour was destined by god... who is also a white european... to lead them... making my own country great and leading to them continuing on in third world poverty because being savages that is the best the could hope for...

    The concept of China and Russia and the other BRICS countries was for a multipolar world where no one country dominated everything and made all the decisions in favour of their own companies and citizens... if the EU wasn't such a bitch of America they might realise they could be a pole but they need to sort their shit out... this appointing people to positions of power and making rules that apply to all EU states with no consultation is clearly not working and if they double down and insist on continuing in that direction then they are going to have to accept more exits....

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    Post  Isos Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:32 am

    China doesn't care about multipolar world or politics. They don't give a **** about those country that were invaded by the US neither do they give a **** about even communist countries like Cuba or Vebezuela.

    Their main focus is about making money and make other nations use their stuff so that they control everything.

    That's how they will expend their influence and take over the world. That's real politik.
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    Post  Sujoy Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:22 pm

    Isos wrote:China doesn't care about multipolar world or politics. They don't give a **** about those country that were invaded by the US neither do they give a **** about even communist countries like Cuba or Vebezuela.

    Their main focus is about making money and make other nations use their stuff so that they control everything.

    That's how they will expend their influence and take over the world. That's real politik.
    China and the U.S, especially the Dems are allies. Their idea of the New World Order is to create G-2 states around the world.

    A G-2 State is one that is tied to a US-led Security Architecture via foundational agreements on the one hand and tied to China's economic web on the other via omnibus agreements.

    The US-China G-2 pincer on India is for all to see now. 'Our friend' Trump was busy squeezing India's leading export sector (I.T) while China is applying border pressure. The 'China Strong' narrative is also being propagated by US analysts who want India to 'sign-up' as an US ally so that G-2 becomes a reality.

    Important interview with Kissinger. Admits detente was used to kill the Soviets. Hints of G-2 with China.

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-interview-henry-kissinger-13615?nopaging=1
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    Post  Isos Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:27 pm

    China and the U.S, especially the Dems are allies. Their idea of the New World Order is to create G-2 states around the world.

    Not really 1st and 2nd never work togather. China wants to eat US. Don't you see they try to compete on any level with them and surpass them ? If they manage to do so US will keep weakening and once China removes the dollar from world trading system, US will collapse and start a civil war.

    Important interview with Kissinger. Admits detente was used to kill the Soviets.

    They admit lot of stuff after it happens to look powerful. Just another lie that aims at rewriting the history.

    They were just afraid of USSR military power and had to calm down the game. Corruption and fake communism is what destroyed USSR, nothing else.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:59 am

    China doesn't care about multipolar world or politics.

    Of course China cares about a multipolar world... it intends to be one of those poles... or do you think they like being a little cog in a machine controlled and run on the whim of the US?

    They have no interest in remaking the world in their own image like the US does, they don't want a communist revolution for every country till we are all communist controlled pawns of China... Ironically that is Americas dream for the world to be made up of broken war torn shit holes that they can control with money and sanctions...

    They don't give a **** about those country that were invaded by the US neither do they give a **** about even communist countries like Cuba or Vebezuela.

    They don't want to save countries by converting them into Chinese communist states like them, but they do want to be left alone by other countries trying to assimilate them, and they do want open and free and fair trade and they are not afraid of other countries developing and growing from that trade to improve their situation.

    The US, and the European West is a leech that relies on their colonial subjects... their inferiors... just allowing the leech to feed till it is full and then letting it fall back to where it came from without a fight. The US would be happy with a McDonalds in every city and a civil war going on in every country... they can earn money destroying and rebuilding... a win win for them.... and the resources of the country are extracted to pay for it all...

    Their main focus is about making money and make other nations use their stuff so that they control everything.

    That's how they will expend their influence and take over the world. That's real politik.

    But the fear in the west is that Russia and China are not colonial powers and they might offer the third world a deal that helps the third world sort out problems and issues that lead to them developing and progressing and actually becoming wealthy and developing a standard of living that could approach that of the west...

    There is a documentary on RT about black american people moving to Ghana... I think... because the standard of living is improving and there is no racism for black people living there... because they are all black. Equally I have read articles about Americans moving to Asian countries like Thailand and Vietnam because living is cheap... many Vietnam Vets have learned the language and culture, and their pensions give them an excellent standard of living compared with the local average wage... and the obvious... health care is affordable or free depending on the country...

    The west thinks it is so wonderful, but anyone can make a hollywood movie or produce the stuff they produce... in fact right now most of the stuff the west produces is actually manufactured in China or other countries anyway... skin colour has nothing to do with it.

    You take a new born baby from a Pygmy family in New Guinea and give them to a US family to bring up and educate and that kid could be as smart as any of their school mates and neighbours and apart from looking different they could be fluent American and fit in with that society... which suggests the difference between some poor kid in the third world in abject poverty scavanging the local rubbish tip for plastic to recycle for money and some little white kid destined to go to Oxford and have exceptionally bad hair and eventually be Prime minister of Britain is not as much as you might think... In fact I think in terms of life skills I know which I would vote for to run a country...

    China and the U.S, especially the Dems are allies.

    They were both interested in getting Trump out, but they are not friends... Americans have no friends... only interests... don't you listen to them... they admit it themselves repeatedly?

    Their idea of the New World Order is to create G-2 states around the world.

    There is only G1... America.... everything else is window dressing... in a G7 it is the US and 6 countries to bitch and moan how they would have gotten away with everything if it wasn't for those meddling kids (the meddling kids being Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela, or any other country that is not bending to their will at the time)...

    The G8 is the G7 but with Russia there to hear their complaints... no solutions expected... they can just listen to us vent our spleen about how much trouble they are.

    The G20 is meaningless because they don't do as they are told like the G7 does so the US loses control of the narrative and they actually end up discussing things and potentially get some things sorted... which does not interest the US or the other 6 members of the G7.

    A G-2 State is one that is tied to a US-led Security Architecture via foundational agreements on the one hand and tied to China's economic web on the other via omnibus agreements.

    Are you not paying attention... it is under both Trump and Biden that the US are reaching out to India... they recognise their mistake of investing too much in China and want to pull production out... too late of course so they will need sanctions and isolation and a new cold war... which is why Nuland is trying to get Russia on board and India is joining in with Naval games... set China up against India so they will waste money on military stuff and lead India to believe they are next for western investment that will lead them out of poverty and backwardness and allow them to leap from agricultural based to industrial centre... but they are not going to make that mistake twice and try to get open conflicts going so you both start fighting and wearing each other out so they remain on top.

    The Dark lord does not share power.

    In fact I bet the Democrats are saying behind doors to India that this G-2 state sharing could be with them if they play their cards right and become the Asian core ally of the US against China... India could make money being part of the silk route to the EU... being on that motorway from the EU to Asia has benefits... look in any country you please... whether it is a rail line or a canal or river or it is a road network... towns and cities don't just appear in the middle of nowhere for no reason... there is water or oil or coal or something that attracts people, and all the roads and rail lines and other connections too them lead to truck and train stops along the way where you can survive and trade just on the traffic too and from... India would not just be a trade stop... they could use the silk road to deliver their own goods in each direction for sale and receive goods via that trade network too and make good money...

    Or they can piss it all away hoping to get US approval.

    The irony is that Trump actually wanted to sanction China in a way to get international companies to take their factories out of China... he wanted them to bring them back to the US, but in all likelyhood they probably would have taken them to Bangledesh or India for the low wages and poor workers rights laws.

    The Democrats will likely dangle that apple in front of you but the apple is poisoned because it essentially requires you to create an enemy on your doorstep and break your BRICS alliance and chance from a multipole future where you are a pole on your own taking instructions from no one, to more of the same with the US and west in charge dictating to everyone.

    Important interview with Kissinger. Admits detente was used to kill the Soviets. Hints of G-2 with China.

    That is hilarious... I didn't read that but Kissenger was talking all through the early 2000s about how powerful China is getting and that a reverse move from the cold war where they used the Chinese against the Soviets could be applied where they use the Russians against the Chinese now might be needed... but Putin is not that stupid and rejected it every time the US asked Russia to impose sanctions on China or North Korea or Iran while the US had Russia under sanction too...

    He has clearly realised that is not going to work so he now realises the solution is the same as applied in Europe.... two big powers there... Russia and the EU... so create a cold war conflict between them in the post cold war era to keep them both from achieving their potential or worse working together against US interests. It worked in Europe and now we will see if India and China are as stupid as the EU is... could be interesting.

    Not really 1st and 2nd never work togather.

    The Dark Lord never shares power... he will give you the illusion of power to get your cooperation and loyalty, but misuse it and it is gone... and you are on your own.

    China wants to eat US. Don't you see they try to compete on any level with them and surpass them ?

    China wants to grow and develop into a word pole, but in the current US only pole world that is not allowed by the US... if China wanted to destroy the US they would not own a trillion dollars of US debt which would be worth nothing if they ever got into conflict... even if they got a little grumpy the US could write off that debt with this or that reason if they ever get the chance.

    China does not want the US system destroyed... that could create conflict where the US is still strong in many aspects... they don't want war... they want the US to fade back into a secondary power like the UK and France have. The US would be a pole, but a pole of many poles... a good question would be regarding France... will they remain part of the EU or become a power on their own... I guess it really depends on whether the EU remains a dictatorship of the elite or a representation of the people of Europe.

    If they manage to do so US will keep weakening and once China removes the dollar from world trading system, US will collapse and start a civil war.

    There has been plenty of talk about the US dollar no longer being the currency of trade, but it really only actually started happening when the US started using their dollar as a weapon. They have no one else but themselves to blame about getting kicked off that gravy train.

    They admit lot of stuff after it happens to look powerful. Just another lie that aims at rewriting the history.

    Yes, he flipflops like the wind when plans fail and mistakes are made.


    They were just afraid of USSR military power and had to calm down the game. Corruption and fake communism is what destroyed USSR, nothing else.

    The core irony is that they were able to befriend China to help them deal with the real threat of the Soviet Union... wouldn't it have been cheaper and simpler to befriend both and cut the hostile bullshit and both sides back down because there was no need for actual hostility... communism wasn't spreading like wild fire, and neither was democracy...

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