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    PLA Air Force General News Thread:

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    Post  George1 Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:41 am

    New Chinese Y-20 military transport aircraft in Wuhan

    New heavy military transport aircraft of the PLA Xian Y-20 air force were sent to transfer military medics and medical supplies to the coronavirus control zone in Chinese Wuhan.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:05 am

    Heavy?

    They look like Il-476 sized medium transports...
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:53 pm

    GarryB wrote:Heavy?

    They look like Il-476 sized medium transports...
    Il-76 is heavy, not medium.

    An-124 is super heavy.

    Anyway, the y20 is basically a chinese Chinese Antonov, also looks like one, and Antonov engineers contributed a lot to the design.

    The Y-20 has weaker engines (the same d30 as the oeiginal il-76 but weaker and less efficient than the PS90 on the il-476) but a wider and higher cargo hold (around 4x4 metres vs 3,4 x 3,4m of the il-76). It is thus capable of carrying some loads that cannot fit on the il-76, even if, with the current engines has less max payload.

    By the way, if I am not mistaken 4mx4m should be also the same cargo hold size of an70 and tu330.

    The Chineses are working on a couple of better engines than the d30, the "modern" ws20 and anothrer emporary domestic solution, the stopgap ws18... but they are really far away from a modern engine. From what i understand they are not better than a PS90 and not even comparable with a PD14.

    The PS-90 would be perfect for the Y-20, but i understand that the Chineses want a domestic solution.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:07 pm

    The Soviet Il-76 along with the US equivalent C-141 are medium sized strategic transports... An-12/C-130 being light and An-124 and C-5 being heavy.

    Super heavy strategic transport is the An-225.
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    Post  walle83 Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:44 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Heavy?

    They look like Il-476 sized medium transports...
    Il-76 is heavy, not medium.

    An-124 is super heavy.

    Anyway, the y20 is basically a chinese Chinese Antonov, also looks like one, and Antonov engineers contributed a lot to the design.

    The Y-20 has weaker engines (the same d30 as the oeiginal il-76 but weaker and less efficient than the PS90 on the  il-476) but a wider and higher cargo hold (around 4x4 metres vs 3,4 x 3,4m of the il-76).  It is thus capable of carrying some loads that cannot fit on the il-76, even if, with the current engines has less max payload.

    By the way, if I am not mistaken 4mx4m should be also the same cargo hold size of an70 and tu330.

    The Chineses are working on a couple of better engines than the d30, the "modern" ws20 and anothrer emporary domestic solution, the stopgap ws18... but they are really far away from a  modern  engine. From what i understand they are not better than a PS90 and not even comparable with a PD14.

    The PS-90 would be perfect for the Y-20, but i understand that the Chineses want a domestic solution.

    According to sources on wiki the Y-20 will have a maximum payload of 66 tons with the new WS-20 engine, the Il-76MD-90A can carry about 60 tons.
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    Post  George1 Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:22 am

    Il-76 is intermediate. Between medium and heavy
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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:16 pm

    Superheavy is extreme... only a few built for special purposes... like the An-225.

    66 tons isn't a heavy payload... When it entered service the An-22 was considered heavy because it was the biggest, but it became a medium at 80 tons when the 120 ton capacity An-124 entered service and the upgraded An-124 with a payload of 150 tons made it the heavy.

    Of course I suppose it is relative... here in New Zealand the C-130 is the heavy and we have nothing else...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:52 am

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/32200/chinas-y-20-airlifters-make-crisis-debut-bringing-medics-and-cargo-to-virus-plagued-wuhan

    More pics:
    http://russian.people.com.cn/n3/2020/0215/c31521-9657960.html
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:38 am

    https://www.janes.com/article/94382/images-show-plaaf-j-16-armed-with-yj-83k-anti-ship-missile

    https://www.google.com/maps/search/Nanchang-Xiangtan/@27.8680341,112.2985393,6z

    This will help the NAF in the E/S China Seas that has shortage of deck fighters & pilots. Hostile navies will need to deal with the PLAAF as well.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:08 am

    Formation flying:
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:09 am

    China's J-20 Proves That The U.S. Air Force Has A Big Range Problem
    There is much that is still unknown about the J-20.
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    Post  George1 Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:55 am

    For the first time, the new Chinese military transport aircraft Xian Y-20 made a flight outside the PRC. The plane carried out the transfer of Chinese military doctors from China to Pakistan to help combat the COVID-19 pandemic.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat May 30, 2020 1:46 pm

    Some Chinese publications also argue that the H-20 will do double-duty as a networked reconnaissance and command & control platform.
    Theoretically, an H-20 could rove ahead, spying the position of opposing sea-based assets using a low-probability-of-intercept AESA radar, and fuse that information to a firing platform hundreds or even thousands of miles away. The H-20 could also be used for electronic warfare or to deploy specialized directed energy.

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/05/chinas-new-h-20-bomber-has-the-pentagon-worried/?mc_cid=a03eb1cbb6&mc_eid=5455568640

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    Post  George1 Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:35 am

    Arrival in Moscow of a military transport aircraft Y-20 with PLA troops to participate in the parade

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:28 am

    https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020/05/27/air-force-looking-to-up-gun-its-airlift-planes/

    The PLAAF can do the same with its IL-76s & Y-20s.
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    Post  George1 Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:00 am

    The first flight of the new Chinese training aircraft AG100

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:16 pm

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/pla-fighter-jet-sets-south-china-sea-patrol-mark/
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    Post  George1 Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:03 pm

    Chinese clone of the American tactical guided bomb JSOW



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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:35 pm

    [size=46]China Is Developing A New, Twin-Seater ‘Stealth Aircraft’ Similar To Russian SU-34[/size]
    https://inosmi.ru/politic/20200817/247939003.html?utm_source=24smi&utm_medium=referral&utm_term=2152&utm_content=3093293&utm_campaign=2261

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2020/08/23/a-glimpse-into-the-future-a-chinese-tanker-refueling-chinese-stealth-fighters/#5b20d3ec3fdd


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:24 am

    Y-20 over Tibet:
    http://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202008/26/WS5f461692a310675eafc55aab.html

    https://youtu.be/u99J9EQfzm8?t=561

    China Demonstrated Nuclear Strike at US Air Base in Guam

    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3076450.html


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    Post  Hole Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:15 pm

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    H-6K with a big missile.
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    Post  walle83 Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:55 am

    Hole wrote:PLA Air Force General News Thread: - Page 9 H-6k_b10
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    H-6K with a big missile.

    Looks like a variant of the DF-ZF glide vehicle.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:56 pm

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37115/video-surfaces-of-chinese-h-6n-missile-carrier-jet-hauling-what-could-be-a-hypersonic-weapon
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    Post  George1 Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:35 am

    Chinese aeroballistic rocket

    The original was taken from colleague dambiev in Renders of a Chinese air-launched ballistic missile in Modern Ships magazine In the December 2019 issue of the popular Chinese naval magazine Modern Ships , renders of the same Chinese air-launched ballistic missile were published, a video of which was published by a colleague of imp_navigator and tests which American tracking systems recorded back in 2016-18. [American designation CH-AS-X-13]. Then it was assumed that the missile's range is up to 3000 km. The rocket is large and is suspended on special mounts under the fuselage of the H-6N missile carrier.



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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:13 am

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37465/new-images-of-chinese-bomber-carrying-huge-mystery-missile-point-to-hypersonic-capability

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