US military sales/aid to Egypt

Notification of the modernization of Egyptian AN-64D Apache helicopters

On May 7, 2020, the US Department of Defense Agency for Defense Cooperation (DSCA) sent a notice to the US Congress on the upcoming sale of the kits and equipment for the modernization of 43 combat helicopters to the United States through the American program of intergovernmental foreign military sales (FMS) Foreign Military Sales (FMS) Boeing AH-64D Apache of the Armed Forces of Egypt to the level of AN-64E Apache Guardian. The sale is authorized by the US Department of State. The total estimated cost of supplies and modernization will be $ 2.3 billion.
 
On the bmpd side, we indicate that, apparently, modernization, as usual, will be carried out at the expense of American military assistance to Egypt.

Recall that Egypt initially received 36 AN-64A Apache helicopters from the USA in 1994-1997. In 2003-2006, 35 of these helicopters were upgraded by Boeing Corporation to the AN-64D level, but without the installation of the AN / APG-78 Longbow radar. At the end of 2014, ten more Boeing AN-64D Block II helicopters were also delivered to Egypt, also without the installation of a Longbow radar. It is characteristic that, judging by the text of the DSCA notification, the now announced modernization of the 43 remaining Egyptian AN-64D helicopters to the AN-64E level also does not imply equipping them with Longbow radars.

 We also note that in November 2018, the DSCA published a notice about the upcoming sale to Egypt through FMS of ten AN-64E helicopters of a new construction with a total estimated cost of $ 1 billion (no delivery so far).

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4018572.html

why bother buying from yanks when getting a much shitter product to ensure the israelis are kept happy? why not get something from russia or china(?) who dont give two shits if jews happy or not. probably cost less too.

crod wrote:why bother buying from yanks when getting a much shitter product to ensure the israelis are kept happy? why not get something from russia or china(?) who dont give two shits if jews happy or not. probably cost less too.

The expense is coming out of US aid aka US taxpayer money, and this military aid in particularly is a modernization package for Apache helicopters that have already been purchased years ago. It's not like they could have bought the modernization package from Russia or China, for a helicopter neither country produces.

crod wrote:why bother buying from yanks when getting a much shitter product to ensure the israelis are kept happy? why not get something from russia or china(?) who dont give two shits if jews happy or not. probably cost less too.

Most of the Egyptian arms deals with US are covered by the military aid since the peace treatment .Egypt get arms from Russia and China too .

Kvs wrote:The choice of weapons systems reflects whose bitch the country is. Independent countries will buy the best bang for the buck.
Colonial vassals will pay tribute to their master. Of course, they may be allowed to buy some crumbs from China or even Russia,
but that proves nothing.

So do you suggest that Egypt should throw the US weapons that in service now and start to purchase only Russian arms ?  the US arms are a part from the US military aid so that Egypt would keep the peace with Israel  .

Sorry ,based on what you said "some crumbs" ?

Did these crumbs include Satellites , Nuclear power plant , Antey-2500, Buk-M2 , Tor-M1,2 ,Su-35 ,Mig-29M2 , Ka-52,T-90 and wide range of ammunitions and Radars  ?

U.S. threatened Egypt With Sanctions over the purchase of SU-35 but Egypt signed the deal .

In 2014–18 Egypt was on of the main recipients of Russian arms exports to the Middle East, about 36 percent of Russian arms exports to the region.

Egypt signed on a deal worth more than one billion euros with a Russian-Hungarian rail consortium to import 1,300 passenger cars for the Egyptian railway authority .

So i don't think your analysis fits the situation here .

The dumb came again .

Trump accuses Egypt of using US aid to buy Russian weapons

There are reports that Egypt is buying f-15s. What a bunch of whores. They got fuxked for the last 40 years but it wasn't enough. Rafales is way better.

There was also reports of typhoons.

They went full retard like indians and suck everyone to remain alive. Their country has touch the bottom.

If this is true I agree. The Russians and the French came through for them. If the Egyptians are backstabbing them like this then they are being idiots.
Russia is also basically the only near term alternative source for 5th generation stealth aircraft in the international market to the US right now.

The Americans are bullies and are also rather sneaky... even if this is true... it might just be a rumour the US is spreading to get this sort of reaction, and hoping for a backlash... but even if it is true they will probably work out soon enough something is not right.

They might be offering F-15s for free or very cheap... but they turn out to be old worn out ones from USAF service, and they intend to make good money by overcharging on support and spare parts to get profits on the deal.

Ultimately what the Americans want is control of what Egypt can have and when Egypt is buying French and Russian aircraft then they have no control at all.

Hopefully Egypt understands that already.

Well Egyptian are still stupid enough to accept US "financial aid". This way they always have to buy weapons from US and always be dependant on them.

They should start investing into to economy.

Egypt is not the first nor the last country to accept US aid at one time or another, the lure of free money is addictive, and the Americans offering it will pretend it is even better than it is.

At the end of the day, they are the ones who couldn't get their Su-35 upgraded on time, couldn't find a way to circumnavigate CAATSA, so you can't blame the buyer (Egypt, Indonesia, Algeria) for dropping their Su-35 interests Also If the deal goes through, we would expect much more from the U.S. admin to be released as the approval on F-16s fleet upgrade with a new armament package, M1A1 MBTs upgrade, Sale of E2D Advanced Hawkeye AEW&C, Possible modernization of the US-origin Perry-class frigates. The Egyptians know what they're doing the SU-35 might have been a pressure card from the beginning its about interests not emotions buddy calm down

Isos wrote:There are reports that Egypt is buying f-15s. What a bunch of whores. They got fuxked for the last 40 years but it wasn't enough. Rafales is way better.

There was also reports of typhoons.

They went full retard like indians and suck everyone to remain alive. Their country has touch the bottom.

How do you compare the Rafales to F-15s different class of fighters shows whos the actual retard here good thing you aren't the one taking decisions though

awmz wrote:

Isos wrote:There are reports that Egypt is buying f-15s. What a bunch of whores. They got fuxked for the last 40 years but it wasn't enough. Rafales is way better.

There was also reports of typhoons.

They went full retard like indians and suck everyone to remain alive. Their country has touch the bottom.

How do you compare the Rafales to F-15s different class of fighters shows whos the actual retard here good thing you aren't the one taking decisions though

Lol rafale is better for everything.

Isos wrote:There are reports that Egypt is buying f-15s. What a bunch of whores. They got fuxked for the last 40 years but it wasn't enough. Rafales is way better.

There was also reports of typhoons.

They went full retard like indians and suck everyone to remain alive. Their country has touch the bottom.

Those planes are already bought with the "aid" money. If the Egyptians won't take them the Israelis will.

Isos wrote:

awmz wrote:

Isos wrote:There are reports that Egypt is buying f-15s. What a bunch of whores. They got fuxked for the last 40 years but it wasn't enough. Rafales is way better.

There was also reports of typhoons.

They went full retard like indians and suck everyone to remain alive. Their country has touch the bottom.

How do you compare the Rafales to F-15s different class of fighters shows whos the actual retard here good thing you aren't the one taking decisions though

Lol rafale is better for everything.

Are you 10 years old? They both complete each other as they both excel at certain aspects

lyle6 wrote:

Isos wrote:There are reports that Egypt is buying f-15s. What a bunch of whores. They got fuxked for the last 40 years but it wasn't enough. Rafales is way better.

There was also reports of typhoons.

They went full retard like indians and suck everyone to remain alive. Their country has touch the bottom.

Those planes are already bought with the "aid" money. If the Egyptians won't take them the Israelis will.

Nope, This is out of the U.S. military aid, It's a direct agreement/contract not a Foreign Military Sale (FMS)

Rafale is an aircraft designed almost two decades after the F-15.
The Meteor missile is also more advanced than anything the US has in use.

I can understand Egypt not wanting to spend too much on rearmament given they are doing massive investments to improve living conditions in Egypt proper. But it won't reduce its capability gap. They will likely get the AIM-120C around the time Israel gets the AIM-120D. It will be a repeat of the previous situation where they had the AIM-7 while Israel had the AIM-120.

awmz wrote:
Are you 10 years old? They both complete each other as they both excel at certain aspects

No they don't complete each other. Rafale excels in every aspects. It has the best air to ground, air to air, air to sea, jamming capabilities of the two.

F-15 is lacks a lot and has a huge RCS. It air to ground capabilities sucks. No air to sea capabilities and its survivability against air defence system suck (huge rcs and old jammers).

Isos wrote:

awmz wrote:
Are you 10 years old? They both complete each other as they both excel at certain aspects

No they don't complete each other. Rafale excels in every aspects. It has the best air to ground, air to air, air to sea, jamming capabilities of the two.

F-15 is lacks a lot and has a huge RCS. It air to ground capabilities sucks. No air to sea capabilities and its survivability against air defence system suck (huge rcs and old jammers).

Wasn't it the Rafale that defeated the vaunted F-22A in a dogfight exercise?

Yes it is. But some rumours say during that exercice they also tried BVR fight and the rafale got destroyed easily however it was never confirmed.

But against the f-15 it wins anyday.

At the end of the day, they are the ones who couldn't get their Su-35 upgraded on time, couldn't find a way to circumnavigate CAATSA, so you can't blame the buyer (Egypt, Indonesia, Algeria) for dropping their Su-35 interests

So you are blaming Russia for unethical business practises of the US military?

The decision is made by the customer and lets face it, if the F-15 was better than the Su-35 why are they needing rules like CAATSA to sell planes?

If it isn't better than the F-15, like the smaller lighter shorter ranged MiG, then no mention of CAATSA... suggests the Americans rate the Su-35 as being better than the F-15 so they need to cheat.

Don't blame Russia for American cheating.

I am not blaming Egypt for picking the weaker option for their defence.

Imagine a builder who says he put all the windows in in your house so if you don't buy your door locks from him and have him install them he is going to take back all the windows and dig up that path and driveway because he did those too.

When he said he would paint your letter box for free he seemed like a nice guy.

Didn't tell you you also had to buy the letter box and you couldn't just have any one you wanted, you had to get the cheap one that he was having trouble selling to anyone else... still it is a free letter box... but is it really?

And he seemed such a nice guy.

Regarding fighting the F-22, western fighters up until recently have not been designed or intended to fight stealthy enemy fighters, so performance will likely dramatically improve over the next few years with multisensor missiles and new types of radar and IIR sensors on the aircraft.

Russian aircraft also operate within an IADS so a conventional fighter like an Su-35 wont be one on one with F-22s... it will be part of a network that includes ground based SAMs all able to engage the F-22 as well... with a multi-spectoral approach stealth is not going to be as useful as some western experts think... ironically it is probably more use right now to Russia than to the US because the Russians have been working on the problem since the F-117 was revealed.

The old woblin goblin.

I doubt the F-15 deal is going to be done .

The US refused before to give even AIM-120 , will they give now the most modern F-15 variant with the needed package ?

And if it's done it will be in small numbers and it's not a replacement of Su-35 or Rafale .

Egypt can't just turn it's back completely to the US ,at least not in the current global system .Give them the impression that you are still on the track with them while you are building your real and bulk of capabilities through other sources .

Congress may refuse it

On Thursday, the Pentagon said the State Department approved a potential sale of CH-47F Chinook helicopters and related equipment to Egypt worth about $2.6 billion.

The Pentagon’s Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) said the sale is for 56 Chinooks, which come with installed M-240 machine guns. The principal contractor for the deal is Boeing.
Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, AFP via Getty Images

The Chinook sale is the second arms deal the Biden administration moved forward for Egypt this month. Last week, the State Department approved the sale of over 5,000 TOW 2A anti-tank missiles worth an estimated $691 million.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/state-department-approves-26-billion-helicopter-deal-egypt

Half a billion dollars for 5000 Tow missiles. Do they come with golden warhead ?