Il-112V/Il-212 light military transport

Some quotes relevant to the Il-112V and its first flight:

Alexey Rogozin (Head of Ilyushin)

"It should be noted that virtually all aircraft systems developed from scratch are the latest domestic developments. The plane gave life to many new technical solutions"

He recalled that in February 2017 components of the aircraft were transferred to the final Assembly shop. "Most of the system was then at the first stage of tests. The fact that today the plane flew is due to the very large team as "Ilyushin" and cooperation", - said the CEO of the company.

Rogozin said that the new machine has certain problems associated with "overweight", explaining that this is a standard problem for any of the first prototype of the product. "Production aircraft will fully meet the requirements of tactical and technical specifications of the Ministry of defense of Russia", - he said.

"The plane is fully complied with the program's first flight, the comments from the crew there. The commander of the Il-112V, the Hero of Russia Nikolay Kuimov thanked the designers and the factory for a job well done," - said Rogozin.

According to him, the pilots are very happy with the new car and wait, when will be able to continue the test.

Rogozin added that the production of additional samples of the Il-112V will depend on the decision of the Ministry of defense.

"The decision is for the Ministry of defence. We are ready to continue work", - said Rogozin, answering the relevant question.

"The testing will begin soon, now it is necessary to conduct a detailed debriefing. There is a set of activities to be performed to complete the development of the aircraft," - said Rogozin, answering the relevant question.

In turn, the Vice-President on transport aviation, JSC "UAC", Director General of PJSC "Il" Alex Rogozin said that "the Il-112V is the first military transport aircraft, which is created from scratch in the post-Soviet period".

"Il-112 will help in solving many problems in the field of military logistics and civilian sector," he said.

He noted that "now the division "Ilyushin" are not less important and responsible task of conducting the flight testing and preparation for serial production of the Il-112V, which will take place in Voronezh".

Rogozin stressed that 100% of components and assemblies of the aircraft is of Russian origin, most of them created by the structures of the state Corporation "rostec". So, the engines created "United engine Corporation". The responsibility of holding KRET "Rostec" - automated control system, and the "Technoceramica" developed for aircraft landing gear, hydraulic elements and electric power supply system.

Yuri Slyusar (Head of UAC)

The order to launch into production of the third and fourth aircraft Il-112V will be signed on Saturday, 30 March, said the President of UAC, Yuri Slusar.

Slyusar noted that work is still a lot, but the first flight, and therefore, the project military-transport aircraft Il-112V has taken place.

"Today (Saturday, March 30, approx. USPDA) we will sign the order to launch two more machines to be manufactured and connected to the tests", – quotes its words of RIA "news".

A further problem, according to him, is the production of the series before completion of the tests, and the fastest access to the series of 12 cars.

"This series will provide the needs of the Ministry of defence and the optimum utilization of production", – he stressed. "Behind all this great work, which was carried out over the past 15 years. I sincerely thank the people who believed in the project, has done a lot to this flight took place. We have a lot of problems," – said the head of the KLA.

Yuri Borisov (Deputy Prime Minister)

New military transport aircraft Il-112V is a unique platform for the creation of military and civil aircraft. This was stated in the first flight of the Il-112V Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, quoted by the press-service of JSC "Ilyushin".

Deputy Prime Minister watched the flight of the Il-112V on the airfield of the Voronezh aircraft joint-stock companies.

"The Il-112V is not only a Transporter, but also a unique platform that can be used for a wide range of military and civilian" - said Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov.

He recalled that the Il-112 is built entirely from domestic components and equipment on the Russian element base.

Borisov noted that the executed flight is an important stage for the formation of the Park of military transport aircraft.

Denis Manturov (minister of Industry)

In turn, the press service of the Ministry of industry and trade quoted the head of the Ministry Denis Manturov about the fact that the need for updated Park of military transport aircraft more than 100 aircraft.

"To fill this niche we need products for domestic aviation. This will serve the interests of the main customer - the military Department - to provide loading of the enterprises of the aviation industry. The plane is used exclusively Russian components and assemblies and applied a number of new technologies. In co-operation with the creation of light military transport aircraft Il-112V involves leading developers and major aircraft factories in Voronezh and Ulyanovsk", - said Manturov.

They'll need to develop Il-112 + Il-276 2-3 extra cargo variants for what 4 & 2 engine An-70 varians could do.

That is not true.

Missions you would use an Il-112 for or an Il-276 for you would never consider using an An-70 for.... remember the Il-112 is replacing the An-26 which has never been used for parachute drops of VDV AFAIK, and the IL-276 is replacing the An-12 which is too light for the VDV too... the VDV used the Il-76 because it could carry three or four BMD based vehicles or large numbers of troops at one time... its main problem was high flight speed making parachuting less comfortable and also spreading out the dropped forces over a wider area than a slower aircraft would.

A variant of the original IL-76 with turboprop engines allowing lower flight speeds and a 40-50 ton capacity would be the ideal replacement for the An-70 and it would offer rather more commonality with the Il-476 and the Il-276 that would replace the standard Il-76 and the An-12 in service.

They are designing and making families of aircraft engines so a powerful turbofan could have a range of different roles... four for an An-70 replacement based on the Il-476, and perhaps a twin engined turbofan model based on the Il-276 for shorter range ops where speed is not so important and lower flight costs matter.

If they r now jointly developing a heavy helo, such a plane can also be developed jointly.

It is not the weight class that is the problem it is the propulsion... and BTW the AN-70 and A400M are in a similar bracket for performance... if you actually had one there would be no point in developing the other...

Where's the catch? Is it just a better aircraft or are the data a bit "engineered"?

It is intended to replace an existing type with existing performance levels and they made it as such.

If it was competing with the C-295 it would win, despite the latters better specs simply because it is sanction proof, which the C-295 is not.

A shorter & lighter twin engine An-70 derivative could have 15-20T payload with longer range, another stretched variant could have 25-30T payload with shorter range & be used as cargo/passenger/tanker, etc. The 1st would be heavier than the Il-112 & the 2nd than the Il-260, but it's worth to have extra payload capacity.

The An-70 is dead, let it go. Making different sized variants only makes sense if you actually already had it in production or planned for production... otherwise it is a variant of an aircraft you don't have.

They want a replacement for the An-12 and a replacement for the An-70 makes sense for the VDV... the Il-276 is the ideal replacement for the An-12 in many many ways, and a turboprop version of the Il-476 could be used as an An-70 replacement too.

I don't think there r prop engines that powerful to be used on it, except those from Tu-142/An-22, & the wings, wiring, fuel system, instruments, + longer landing gear for ground clearance,etc. will need to be redesigned/changed.
Easier to build 4/2 engined modernized An-22 in several variants & under a different name.

There are plenty of new engines they are developing in a different range of power ranges... they could simply choose the most suitable and use it on the Il-476.

The An-22 wont be in service for very much longer if it is still in service now so there is little point in reviving that design at all.

I wrote in the il 106 thread that they are doing a turboshaft engine for the heavy helicopter Mi26, the PD12V, derived from the PD14. From turboshaft to turboprop the step is not that big.

There we go... I think the engines for the Il-114 were TV7-117S turboprop engines based on a helicopter turbine engine.

They could probably make a low cost twin engine model with a similar or slightly derated engine like an ATR-72.

Tsavo Lion wrote:

The An-70 is dead, let it go.

it could be revived later, like it is with Turkey now:
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Dude, it's dead. Let it go.

It was just a bloated turd anyway, have you seen​ development clustefuck that occurred with it?

Their first priorities will be to replace existing types that are obsolete and need to be replaced because they are now not Russian.

That is the An-26, and the An-12, which are being used widely by the military and civilian users in Russia and are running out of air frame life.

The Il-112 has been tested and changes have been requested and within a year should be sorted out and ready for full production, which will allow some of the older An-26s to be retired and others with life left sold off or given to allies or friends that might have a use for more of them... either as extra bodies or spare parts.

The point is that the new Il-112s will be new with modern avionics and systems.

The Il-276 will be a much bigger improvement over the An-12 because it is a jet and will be rather faster and will have the same internal capacity as the Il-76 but shorter which will be a good thing.

The development of new engines should allow new models of the new aircraft to be introduced... a big powerful propfan could be used for a large 50 ton capacity low flight speed aircraft for dropping paratroopers and armour for the VDV where its lower speed will make it rather better for the role than any jet.. it will probably still need four engines because of its size and weight capacity requirement but a twin engine model might be interesting as a middle weight aircraft... it might be a useful and cheaper powerplant for the Il-276 for fuel efficient operations, or it might create a transport between the Il-276 and the Il-114... perhaps in the 10-15 ton payload capacity range.... who knows.

The prop fan engine could be used on the Be-200 amphibious aircraft to give it more take off punch too... in fact depending upon its power and fuel efficiency it might even be a replacement option for the Bear... four big multi blade propfans... it might lose some speed but get more thrust for quicker easier takeoffs and landings (reverse thrust more powerful too) and make it quieter and more fuel efficient so with much longer range with a minor loss in top speed perhaps.

A big powerful propfan like that could be useful on large long range UAVs... an enormous ducted fan could be used on the PAK DA...

Nice video... they used minimal flap for take off and landing... it wasn't very much flap at all for the takeoff and perhaps 10% for landing?

Il-112V problems:
https://vz.ru/society/2019/4/5/971692.print.html via Yandex

A few days after the first flight of the new Russian military transport aircraft, it turns out that it did not make the proper impression on the customer. The defense Ministry is dissatisfied with a number of parameters of Il-112V. What exactly needs to be corrected and whether the release of this much-needed air force aircraft will be completely disrupted in the end?

Despite the flattering review of the chief pilot of PJSC "Il" Nikolai Kuimov, who on March 30 successfully completed the first test flight and made a regular landing at the airport of the Voronezh joint-stock aircraft company (VASO), to Il-112V the military remained a number of questions. The wording of the pilot that "a great plane, the flight went well", the selection Committee was not satisfied.

Actually, even before rolling out on a test flight defects of new Silt were well known. In particular, at one time personally the head of the defense Ministry Sergei Shoigu expressed his comments on this matter. Repeatedly there were reports of disruption of production time and a number of technical problems. It was necessary to concentrate on details (as occurred), and the customer and the producer only documented problem parties and came to consensus on their elimination. And then, they say, fly!

On the merits and in particular the need for the early appearance of Il-112V, Vzglyad newspaper has already written exactly under his first test flight. Its obvious shortcomings were also identified. They, in fact, noticed "voenproekta" which "nakovyryat" the new freighter is still a bunch of problems to be addressed. From obvious minuses – plane output was too heavy, imperfect motor (rotor and engine) and next to invisible at first sight defects. On correction gave no more than a year.

It all began with the timing in anticipation of the take-off of light military transport aircraft, which were delayed in the modern version for at least a year. Instead of the declared first half of 2018 (as it was publicly said at MAKS-2017), the plane took off only a year later in the presence of members of the Commission and spectators. Why was the promise not kept? Due to the poor quality of project documentation and the presence of a large number of errors in the drawings.

Plus, as it turned out, in the manufactured body of the aircraft found defects that lie in the weight distribution in the center of gravity of the aircraft. The banal – nasal part of the Il-112V was much easier than the tail and to prevent a catastrophe you need to "weigh down the nose". Accordingly, the total weight of the aircraft increases with a minus sign for the lifted cargo. The declared six tons in the end are reduced not even to five, but to a maximum of 3.5 tons of payload (pessimists estimate the carrying capacity of this aircraft just a ton).

Recognizes that light transport aircraft Il-112V will be too heavy, and he is the chief designer of "Il" Nikolay Talikov. To speak on this subject, Nikolai Dmitrievich not particularly fond of. Nevertheless, he finds his explanation for the fact that the resulting machine does not correspond to the tactical and technical task, in particular by weight of the cargo transported. The reason, in his opinion, lies in the General trend of objective reasons associated with the change in the aviation industry, the generation of designers, which "went weak".

Okay, in this case this is only a personal opinion, even the chief designer. If we consider that the minds and hearts invested in the Il-112B still come from the old school of hardening of Soviet aircraft designers, then there is probably need to blame for something else.

No offense to aircraft designers – "rivet" on the Assembly line, they are slightly forgotten how. And it's not even their fault when the prototypes died down before the stage of the experimental flight. Then on the new-old planes recalled and they tried to reanimate, to bring to mind for other people – the new generation of engineers, whose calculations technology 4 plus, 5-th generation, and the need of "sewing machine" to make a decent air technique. Exhale, beaver, secondary structures will be replaced, composite materials will be introduced, repackaging will be done and Il-112V will receive the same three main parameters – range, load capacity and category of airfields.

"Any aircraft passes the stage of improvements throughout its operation, – says test pilot, one of the few pilots of the Il-96 Sergei Knyshev. – Even received a series of air machines hone and improve with each flight. Designers take all the factors and parameters of the aircraft for drawings on the climbers is simply impossible. The main criterion is flight safety, the rest is being finalized over the years.

Take the same Soviet still An-26, which is now to be replaced by Il-112, and he from the first test flight to the beginning of operation has passed the way in four years. I am sure that the new transport will also fly, after appropriate improvements. Here I'm more important than to a greater extent the opinion of the pilot who picked up the plane – he is confident in it. The rest is just a matter of time."

There is still such a nuance: Il-112V is simply obliged to get rid of the identified shortcomings and enter the service of military transport aircraft. And there are simply no other options now to replace those one and a half hundred An-26S that still "twist the sky with screws". Buy imported – not an option, and no one by and large. Is to bring to your mind. Moreover, the identified "flaws" are removable.

Let's be optimistic: the aircraft will reach due to weight reduction and fine-tuning of engines to the declared five–six tons of load capacity. It will replace not only the An-26, which is superior in most parameters by 30-40 percent, but will also compete with world transport aircraft of this class. The final cross on this air car nobody is going to put.

And in summary, the Il-112V is now much closer to implementation than to oblivion. And the first pancake – not a clod.

It is a bit weird though is it not?

I mean trying to fix all the problems before putting it into mass production... what are they thinking... them Russians are so backward... they don't even genetically modify their food sources...

flamming_python wrote:Don't mean to rain on the parade but the Il-112V has been rejected by the MoD

Until they correct the overweight... or do you mean something different?

It is not that hard to sort out... they are only at the flying prototype stage... they might make some parts lighter or they could shift the wing or tail surfaces or even just change the angle limits of the flight controls... over the years there have been all sorts of issues and all sorts of solutions and of course getting the design right now is the most important thing because after it is in production, then problems that pop up are much harder to work out and solve... even the F-111 had issues with its tail surfaces that were not identified until about 6 didn't make it back from missions in Vietnam...

The amount of energy and time invested in making these things and so many internet jockeys pop up and say it is not working... scrap it and make something else... like it was quick and easy.

An-26s are going to be retiring in a few years time and their replacements need to be in production when they do... starting a new design right now is not an option...