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    Re: Il-112V/114: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:34 am


    There have definitely been some pretty loud rumblings about serious problems with transport aircraft development and production

    Wanna guess who is in charge of this particular project (112)?

    Hint: he is related to Trampoline Man...

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    Re: Il-112V/114: News

    Post  jaguar_br on Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:40 am

    I definitely can't believe that designing a totally new aircraft is more interesting (technically and financially) than fixing the problems of the Il-112. If you wanna see a new plane taking-off, be prepared to wait at least 4 years, and doesn't seem that Russian Air Force has that much time...
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    Re: Il-112V/114: News

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:55 pm

    4 hrs ago on Tass. Wow so they plan to print it after ill2V programme is shut? They didn't read wargonzo or hat?! Suspect Suspect Suspect


    Ilyushin plans to master the printing of parts for IL-112V on a 3D printer

    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5357805

    MOSCOW, July 9. / TASS /. The new military transport aircraft IL-112V in the future can get some simple details printed on a 3D printer. The journalists were told about this in the press service of the KLA's Transport Aviation Division.

    "Experts of PJSC Il and Voronezh Aviation Plant (VASO) printed a mock-up of an air intake of a complex design for installation on the first flight sample of a light military transport aircraft IL-112V while the details printed on the printer are only test samples, which before the first flight will be replaced by metal originals, but in plans - to master the print of constructively simple components that will be installed on the serial side, "- said in the firm Ilyushin.


    Now the seal will allow to quickly adjust the fixing points of the components of the hydraulic system of the aircraft, thereby speeding up the process of preparing the side for the first flight. At present, the installation of the layout for the aircraft began, noted in PJSC "IL".

    "Since the Il-112V is being built from scratch, many parts and components need to be refined during the aircraft installation, and we started using a 3D printer to understand how accurate or incorrect our calculations were.This technology allows us not to interrupt the finalization of finished products, which, in turn, significantly reduces the time for installation of equipment and makes the production process cheaper, "explained Pavel Cherenkov, First Deputy General Director of PJSC" Il ".

    About the plane

    Light military transport aircraft IL-112V with a maximum load of up to 5 tons is intended for the transport of personnel, military equipment, various types of weapons and other cargo. It is created to replace the turboprop An-26 and An-24. The first flight, tentatively, should take place before the end of 2018.

    It can be operated on small, small-equipped airfields that have both concrete and ground coverings of runways. The release is planned in two versions: for civil aviation (Il-112T) and military transport aviation (Il-112V). Earlier it was reported that the military intends to order 62 cars, then former Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said that the military department plans to acquire at least 100 such aircraft, since the need for them is very high.

    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5357805





    jaguar_br wrote:I definitely can't believe that designing a totally new aircraft is more interesting (technically and financially) than fixing the problems of the Il-112. If you wanna see a new plane taking-off, be prepared to wait at least 4 years, and doesn't seem that Russian Air Force has that much time...

    c'mon you cannot believe war-gonzo unless you believe in tooth-fairy lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Re: Il-112V/114: News

    Post  hoom on Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:44 am

    Yandex Translate wrote:It is noted that he came to the company, the problems found in the design of the aircraft: thus, the allowable overload experienced model instead of the normal tolerances of up to 10% is almost 40%, i.e. about 3 tons.
    I'm confused about whats being said here Suspect
    Is it overweight by 3tons? Shocked
    For a plane with designed 5ton cargo capacity that would be a huge problem & I could understand the program facing cancellation if thats the case.
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    Re: Il-112V/114: News

    Post  kvs on Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:52 am

    Отмечается также, что решение о прекращении проекта Ил-112 может грозить кадровыми решениями, в том числе под угрозой якобы оказывается руководитель «Ил» Алексей Рогозин.

    Отмечается, что именно он, придя в компанию, обнаружил проблемы в конструировании самолета: так, допустимый перегруз опытной модели вместо нормальных допусков до 10% составляет почти 40%, то есть порядка 3 тонн.

    Между тем, 22 июня Рогозин заявил, что серийное производство самолетов Ил-96 и Ил-112В на Воронежском авиазаводе начнется в 2020 году.

    Translation:

    It is noted that the decision on the termination of the IL-112 project threatens to include personnel decisions, included in the number
    under threat supposedly is the director of IL, Alexey Rogozin.

    It is noted that it is specifically he (Rogozin), upon arrival at the company, who discovered problems with construction of the plane:
    specifically, the allowed overload of the prototype model instead of being the normal 10% involves almost 40%, that is around 3 tons.

    In all this, Rogozin announced on June 22, that serial production of IL-96 and IL-112B at the Voronezh aircraft plant will start in
    2020.

    WarGonzo is pimping inconsistent BS.   So Rogozin will be fired for revealing the design flaw?   Not bloody likely.   His job is to clean house
    and he is Putin's personal head chopper.   Rogozin will be doing all the firing.

    The second paragraph is incoherent babble, in Russian.   No translator can fix it.   It is not actually identifying any defect.   And
    it does not make any sense as a statement of payload plus fuel.   Russia is not a banana republic and no aircraft maker will claim payload
    beyond the tolerances of the airframe.   That just guarantees crashes and the cessation of production.   Aircraft construction is not fly
    by night.   Money is recovered over many years of production.  

    The 3rd paragraph basically states that production of the IL-112B will start in 2020.   So what cancellation are they yammering on about?
    The civilian variant IL-112T was never going to be the first priority.   And why would the Russian military buy a defective POS?  Especially
    after Rogozin exposed the defect?  There would be no point talking about any defect at all otherwise.
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    Re: Il-112V/114: News

    Post  Hole on Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:46 am

    As the programme started the Il-112V should have been able to carry 6 tons of cargo by an TOW of 19,7 tons. Do to the engine (TV7-117ST) not being strong enough the payload was reduced to 5 tons. With a new engine, now under development, this problem will be solved. They will produce the plane with the old engine and later change to the new one.
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    Re: Il-112V/114: News

    Post  kvs on Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:04 am

    Hole wrote:As the programme started the Il-112V should have been able to carry 6 tons of cargo by an TOW of 19,7 tons. Do to the engine (TV7-117ST) not being strong enough the payload was reduced to 5 tons. With a new engine, now under development, this problem will be solved. They will produce the plane with the old engine and later change to the new one.

    That is clearly not a design defect. Hence all the obfuscation by WarGonzo.
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    Re: Il-112V/114: News

    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:59 am

    Statements by Alexey Rogozin on the status of the Il-112V program

    rector of PJSC "Ilyushin" Alexei Rogozin about the current state of the IL-112V light military transport aircraft turned into a regular aviation long-term program. As you can judge, the conversation took place on August 12, 2108. The presentation contains a number of interesting statements.


    The first flight prototype of the Il-112V military transport aircraft (serial number 01-01) to the final assembly shop of the PJSC "Voronezh Joint-Stock Aircraft Building Society" (VASO), March 2018 (c) PJSC "Ilyushin"

    In the light of the publications in the media about the possible closure of the Il-112V project, which caused excitement among the band members and even wider, in RuNet, we tried to find out what is happening with this plane now. The group's administrator Alexei Polyakov managed to meet with the general director of PJSC "IL" Alexei Rogozin to clarify the situation. The meeting took place in the workshop number 7 of the Voronezh aircraft plant. Alexei Dmitrievich even personally had a small tour of the plane. Small, because even on Sunday the pilot and cargo cockpits of the plane were filled with people engaged in working out and debugging various on-board systems.

    Judging by the schedule, the first take-off is planned for the fall. Delaying the construction has several reasons. This is the repeated breakdowns in the delivery of components, and the problems that arise from the assembly of a prototype at a serial plant. And another thought was expressed by the general director of the Ilyushinskaya firm: "This is a completely new aircraft. Of course, in the course of its production, the real state of the entire aviation industry is reflected. "

    During our communication, Alexey Rogozin commented on the information on the Internet that the overload of an experimental aircraft was 40%: "The technique of such calculation is surprising. There is overload, but much less. At the moment the measures have been developed, we are taking quite active actions aimed at reducing the weight to the set values, and I am sure that we will fulfill the task set. " Next to the first experienced aircraft is the second, designed for resource and static testing.

    The necessary resource and static tests have been completed, and further ones are important only for serial operation and are not taken into account in the near future, "explained Alexey Rogozin.

    Also, the general director of PJSC "IL" expressed confidence that the third and fourth aircraft (the first serial) will be laid at the Voronezh aircraft plant in the next 2-3 months.
    A response was received to the question that tormented many in our community: why, in the technical task approved by the customer, the maximum load capacity was reduced from 6 to 5 tons? The answer is simple and sad - there are not enough powerful engines for this.

    Summarizing the above, it can be concluded that the design of the Il-112 is much closer to its final implementation than to the closure.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3305997.html

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    Re: Il-112V/114: News

    Post  hoom on Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:42 am

    Confirms it is overweight but nothing like 3ton.
    I wonder if the explanation might be its actually 14% overweight (overweight by 40% of the allowable 10% rather than 40% of total weight)? Bad still but not necessarily fatal to the program.
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    Re: Il-112V/114: News

    Post  LMFS on Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:10 pm

    hoom wrote:Confirms it is overweight but nothing like 3ton.
    I wonder if the explanation might be its actually 14% overweight (overweight by 40% of the allowable 10% rather than 40% of total weight)? Bad still but not necessarily fatal to the program.

    They in fact say they are going to correct it
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    Re: Il-112V/114: News

    Post  Hole on Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:25 pm

    The engine is the problem. The current one doesn´t bring enough power. So they must reduce the payload. A new enige is in the making, but is a version of the PD-14, so they must wait until this is ready for service.

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