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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  Airman on Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:47 am


    http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/877884/egypt-air-force-mikoyan-gurevich-mig-35/


    http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/878924/811-egypt-air-force-mikoyan-gurevich-mig-35/
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  JohninMK on Thu May 11, 2017 10:42 pm

    Mahmoud Gamal

    Egyptian mig 35 fighter jet with a naval camouflage


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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  Gomig-21 on Sun May 14, 2017 3:25 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Mahmoud Gamal

    Egyptian mig 35 fighter jet with a naval camouflage


    Did they forgot to paint the roundel?  I also see some hydraulic fluid or maybe grease already leaking at several spots on the vertical stabilizer.  If you enlarge the pic, you can see it near the lower, ruder hinge (maybe grease?) and also at the ball joint of the H-stab and further towards the V-stab's leading edge, right along that heavily riveted panel line.  That looks like some fluid, maybe a lubricant of some sorts or maybe even fuel?  I don't think you're supposed to see things like that so quickly and so soon on a brand spanking new aircraft.  Maybe after a while of usage that stuff starts seeping out and finding its way onto the fuselage, but right after a fresh paint job and on its first few test flights?  I really like this aircraft but in light of the issues India had with their K's, it's a bit concerning to see something like that on supposedly the most advanced version of the MiG-29 series to date.  

    Both camo versions are really terrific.
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 15, 2017 12:38 pm

    Maybe after a while of usage that stuff starts seeping out and finding its way onto the fuselage, but right after a fresh paint job and on its first few test flights? I really like this aircraft but in light of the issues India had with their K's, it's a bit concerning to see something like that on supposedly the most advanced version of the MiG-29 series to date.

    Actually on brand new aircraft with new fresh paint jobs is when you find leaks and things.

    I have had a look and cannot say I can see what you are talking about.

    I have seen soot around the gun port after gun firing, but not seen oil or fluid stains yet.

    A freshly painted aircraft should make finding the source of the problem very easy to find and deal with easy, but I am sure they are testing equipment and systems first.

    The ground crew will likely be learning to maintain and service the equipment and their recommendations will likely be used to prevent future leaks of fluids...

    This is the sort of thing a computer model does not predict and is the sort of thing that can only be found and fixed with real prototypes before they become serial production aircraft.


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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  Airman on Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:17 pm

    Egypt receives first single-seat Rafales

    Egypt has received the first of eight single-seat Dassault Rafale C multirole combat aircraft, the country’s Ministry of Defence (MoD) announced on 26 July.

    Two aircraft making up the fourth installment of Rafale deliveries (the previous three installments being made up of twin-seat Rafale B platforms) arrived in-country seemingly on the same day as the announcement that was made via the MoD’s official Twitter account.

    With these latest arrivals, the Egyptian Air Force (EAF) has received into service 11 of the 24 Rafales that it ordered from France in February 2015. By the time deliveries are complete, the EAF will field 16 Rafale B two-seat and eight Rafale C single-seat aircraft.

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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:56 pm

    What's people's view on further aircraft purchases from Russia? Egypt still has ageing alpha jets and fairly large number of mirage 5. J-7 also getting old and with increased threat/ move of Isis they might seek to bolster forces. I always found the Egyptian armed forces as a whole a complete jigsaw puzzle it must be a nightmare
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:26 am

    It is a bit of a complex issue really.

    You generally save money by having only one type in service, but if that type is not good for a specific role then often having more than one type allows flexibility, so in the case of having a mix of fighters.... whether MiGs and Flankers, where one is big and more capable but also more expensive, and the other is smaller and cheaper to operate on more austere strips.

    Also if you have a big country and very specific conditions... Russia itself is a good example.... on paper the long range of the Flankers makes them a good choice especially when there are not that many populated areas for them to operate from in the north and far east... but that also creates a problem.

    Having fewer longer ranged aircraft means less coverage.

    Having a flanker covering a radius of 2,000km means one interceptor in that area... a Fulcrum with a 1,000km radius, but twice as many, means two aircraft per 2,000km and even though the radar has longer range and more weapons pylons on a Flanker having two Fulcrums means better coverage of the airspace because they can split up and might only take 20minutes to fly from one side of their area of patrol to the other, while the Flanker with the same flight speed takes twice as long to cover twice the distance.



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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:14 pm

    What I meant was the different types and suppliers etc like in your example mig and flanker but they buy from here and there surely future purchases will likely be mig-35 and rafale so they end up with f-16, mig-35, rafale
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:16 am

    Politics and the makers of the aircraft effect that rather more.

    For instance an aircraft might be maintenance intensive, but also quick and easy and cheap to maintain by relatively unskilled ground crew.

    Another aircraft might be very modular but also expensive and the parts come from only one source that is prone to imposing sanctions on countries that do no cooperate in other areas... and the ground crew need engineering degrees...

    Of course having American and French and Russian aircraft might get you the political clout that you don't have to get into a fighting war with anyone.

    Having 50 Rafales and 50 MiG-35s likely wont be more expensive or complicated than having 80 Rafales.

    Due to excessive costs it would probably be cheaper to have all MiG-35s but only because that is a cheaper aircraft and the French jet is notoriously expensive.


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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  Militarov on Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:25 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:What's people's view on further aircraft purchases from Russia?  Egypt still has ageing alpha jets and fairly large number of mirage 5. J-7 also getting old and with increased threat/ move of Isis they might seek to bolster forces. I always found the Egyptian armed forces as a whole a complete jigsaw puzzle it must be a nightmare

    If you want a nightmare check India xD
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:07 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:What's people's view on further aircraft purchases from Russia?  Egypt still has ageing alpha jets and fairly large number of mirage 5. J-7 also getting old and with increased threat/ move of Isis they might seek to bolster forces. I always found the Egyptian armed forces as a whole a complete jigsaw puzzle it must be a nightmare

    If you want a nightmare check India xD

    Oh for sure another cluster fuck. It's a complete disaster. All their own programme run very late cost loads and produce substandard equipment. The Tejas is crap and they would have been better just buying mig-29SMT or mig-35 the amount of money spent it would have been cheaper. There target date to replace dated aircraft with tejas will never happen not even 25% will be replaced at this rate. Their light combat helicopter program would have been cheaper to buy or get production rights for Ansat 2RC. A replacing the hind with apache is also lunacy when you actually look at their tiny number of attack helicopters (20) buying expensive is not wise they need to be building their pool and that won't be done buying apache they should have bought more hind to build forces. I'd rather they bought production rights on mig-21 or mig-23/27 and produced upgraded new than tejas loooool.
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:32 am

    There is nothing fundamentally wrong with Tegas... I think many people are expecting too much from the programme.

    The Tegas programme has enormous potential and could still be turned around.... I personally would like to see it succeed.

    It does need to get the right attention and funding and priorities.


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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  nemrod on Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:37 am

    I heard persisting rumors that Egypt is interested by the SU-30 or SU-35.
    Could someone among you confirm please ?
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    temp egypt sales thread

    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:58 pm

    nemrod wrote:I heard persisting rumors that Egypt is interested by the SU-30 or SU-35.
    Could someone among you confirm please ?

    Uhm, wrong thread, for starters.
    http://www.russiadefence.net/t98p125-egyptian-air-force-eaf

    Nope haven't heard anything, just Migs and Rafales.
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:22 pm

    The US blocks the sale to Egypt of Scalp-EG airborne cruise missiles

    As reported by Michel Cabirol in the article "Rafale en Egypte: les Etats-Unis bloquent" in the French newspaper "La Tribune", the United States blocked the sale to Egypt of France of the aircraft operational-tactical cruise missiles MBDA Scalp-EG, intended for arming the Egyptian fighter Dassault Rafale. This, in turn, hinders negotiations for a contract for the sale by France of Egypt of 12 more Rafale fighters (in addition to the 24 previously ordered), as the Egyptian side links their purchase with obtaining Scalp-EG missiles.



    The United States refuses to grant the European MBDA association a license to export one of the American components used in the Scalp-EG missiles to Egypt, which makes it impossible to supply these missiles to Egypt. The US motivates its actions by the American restrictive regime of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR). MBDA and Dassault Aviation companies declined to comment on this issue in response to a request from "La Tribune".

    As a result, already prepared by the end of 2017, an agreement on the sale of 12 additional Rafale fighters to Egypt has not yet been signed. Presumably, French President Emmanuel Macron will hold talks on this issue with US President Donald Trump during his visit to Washington, scheduled for April 23-24, 2018. However, the newspaper recalls that even an agreement with the US at the highest level does not guarantee the resolution of such problems. In 2014, then-French President Francois Hollande obtained the consent of the United States to sell two French reconnaissance satellites to the United Arab Emirates with American components, but later the Americans still blocked this supply.

    The bmpd comment. Probably, the US opposition to the sale of Egypt to cruise missiles Sсalp-EG, as is usual in such cases on the American side, is connected with the desire to prevent a threat to Israel. It can be assumed that the "American component" in the Scalp-EG missiles is the receiver of the high-precision military GPS signal used in the guidance system of these missiles.

    Recall that within the contract concluded in February 2015, worth 3.5 billion euros, Egypt ordered 24 Rafale fighters, including 16 two-seat Rafale DM and eight single-seat Rafale EM. Financing of this purchase is actually carried out by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. The deliveries of the Rafale fighters to Egypt under this contract were started in July 2015, and to date, it has received 14 aircraft. It was reported that Egypt planned to purchase for these aircraft 50 cruise missiles Scalp-EG.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3097665.html


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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:19 pm

    Al Arabia TV channel published video of MiG-29M Egyptian Air Force fighters accompanying the side of the crown prince of Saudi Arabia Mohammed ibn Salman Al Saud. Heir to the throne of Saudi Arabia arrived with a three-day visit to Egypt. This is the first trip abroad of the son of the king after taking his current post.



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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  Isos on Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:59 pm

    George1 wrote:Al Arabia TV channel published video of MiG-29M Egyptian Air Force fighters accompanying the side of the crown prince of Saudi Arabia Mohammed ibn Salman Al Saud. Heir to the throne of Saudi Arabia arrived with a three-day visit to Egypt. This is the first trip abroad of the son of the king after taking his current post.

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