Wonder why did eastern and central european nations banged banged and banged the doors of the West, to join the NATO. Hazing, abusing, exploiting etc. is in the Russian culture and 'materially deprived' communist psyche.
I am sure the Soviet soldiers crossing into eastern european territory on their way to crush the Germans were a little shocked at the luxury that Europeans enjoyed. I remember reading about one lad whom I think was from the Ukraine who came from a small village where the kitchen floor in his house was dirt and he came upon farms in Poland where the milking sheds has asphalt floors and he openly said to those fighting along side him his disgust that these people went East to take from the Soviet Union.
And of course the noble civilised west likes to talk about the treatment of Europe under Soviet rule as being barbaric, the irony of course was that during their short stay in the Soviet Union... and without carpet bombing cities like the civilised west, the Germans still managed to murder 20 million Soviet civilians on the Eastern front in less than four years of occupation and they suggest Soviet actions after the war were uncivilised... to be honest I was disappointed with how well these rich fat Europeans were treated by the Soviets.
American does hazing too, but not of its friends but of the friends of its enemies. Ex: Iraq, Serbia, Iraq II, Libya and more to come.
Victor... don't confuse hazing with imperialist invasion and occupation, they have very little in common.
Hazing goes on in the US, there are black and white photos at the Smithsonian showing white people in their best clothes having picnics while black people are hung and mutilated, and that is nothing to what they did to the Native Americans that have nothing at all to do with India or Indians, but dumb Europeans couldn't tell the difference and the name has stuck ever since.
Russia hazes its own friends and that is why it does not have any real friends.
Do you even understand what hazing is? It is a tradition or ritual that newbies must go through to gain acceptance.
It is often part test and part tradition... an example would be having to post an introduction to be allowed to post on this forum. Most of it is totally harmless.
Having to clean someone elses boots is a good example of harmless hazing. For goodness sake you are supposed to potentially fight a war with these guys and you get your panties in a twist because they made you clean their boots... just like in the next intake of raw recruits you are going to make one of them clean your boots.
That isn't a big deal.
The real problem isn't really hazing, it is really bullying and abuse and that actually should not be tolerated.
I have not heard of soldiers cleaning the boots of the officers in the Western Armies.
Really? I have heard stories of soldiers being made to drink their own vomit and getting urinated upon in fine upstanding western armies... think it doesn't happen?
In Russian army, conscripts and soldiers are treated like slaves.
Based on what evidence? When and where did you serve?
Russian culture is corrupt and lawless.
Now you are an expert on Russian culture? Does Russia kidnap people from all over the world and put them in guantanimo and torture them? Russia only has a periodic track record... up till about 1917 and then it restarts in the 1990s and during those periods I would say their behaviour was rather better than the wests by a wide margin.
Reagan was right, he said......Soviet Union is a third world country with nuke missiles.
Hahahahaha... quoting Raygun? The changes he made to the US economy pretty much layed the ground work for the problems the US has today, so he is actually one of my favourite American presidents...
Give Russia for one year to Americans and America to Russians. End of the year.......very easy to predict who fu**cked it all up.
The Americans can't have Russia, or should I say they can't have their mineral and energy wealth, not to mention all that forest and land...
Even if they do something, the real challenge is to sustain the improvement. However, I doubt that is a Russian trait.
You seem to think so many faults are ethnically based, it is very amusing. Let me give you the benefit of my experience... traits... good and bad... are Human traits.
The US gave us management concepts and methods... they also gave us yes men that have destroyed as many companies as they have created... for every good thing there is bad... people talk about China being the end of the world as we know it and in reality I agree, but not because they will suddenly start invading other countries or any other such silly nonsense. Taking the US consumer model to China will result in 1.5 billion people suddenly becoming consumers that create enormous waste every year and consume energy at a higher rate than any other culture on the planet.
The smog will cover the northern hemisphere and global warming will make Russia a much better place to live... and most of the US will return to desert... too hot in the south... suddenly it will be the Canadian border everyone wants to get across...
Not sure where all this anti Russian rhetoric crap is coming from and it doesn't bother me that you think such things, but I would be careful if I were you, because RT and of course Vlad are both Russian and might not take so kindly to your comments.
There are even former slaves here who served who also might take exception to your comments... though I think if they decide to share their views that would be interesting to me.
Actually this part of the discussion belongs in a different section so I am moving it...