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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  Regular on Thu May 23, 2013 12:26 am

    a89 wrote:

    It is a complete FCS. In that T-72 it is used as primary, whike 1A40 is kept as secondary.

    Complete with what? I thought that Sosna-u is called pricel (sight) only
    Kalina FCS for example looks different

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  a89 on Thu May 23, 2013 10:36 am

    I had a look around and maybe you are right. I referred to Sosna-U as FCS because it incorporates laser rangefinder and ballistic computer. I looked in my database and I found a message of Vasiliy Fofanov discussing the issue:

    Here is my take on this. Consider. Sosna-U is not just a sight. It's a full FCS, with all associated devices (ballistic computer, rangefinder, etc). T-90 doesn't need all this, it already has it all, produced by Russia enterprises. All it lacks is the night channel. T-72B on the other hand doesn't have an FCS at all, so installing an integrated solution like Sosna-U in it makes much more sense. Generally speaking Sosna-U sure looks like a more elegant and efficient solution but it cuts the Russian suppliers out of the loop which is probably a highly sensitive issue. The governments don't like to read in newspapers that they are killing the nation's defense industry Besides, I doubt Sosna-U offers any advantage over 1A45+Essa to merit contention.


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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  Regular on Thu May 23, 2013 12:33 pm

    a89 wrote:I had a look around and maybe you are right. I referred to Sosna-U as FCS because it incorporates laser rangefinder and ballistic computer. I looked in my database and I found a message of Vasiliy Fofanov discussing the issue:

    Here is my take on this. Consider. Sosna-U is not just a sight. It's a full FCS, with all associated devices (ballistic computer, rangefinder, etc). T-90 doesn't need all this, it already has it all, produced by Russia enterprises. All it lacks is the night channel. T-72B on the other hand doesn't have an FCS at all, so installing an integrated solution like Sosna-U in it makes much more sense. Generally speaking Sosna-U sure looks like a more elegant and efficient solution but it cuts the Russian suppliers out of the loop which is probably a highly sensitive issue. The governments don't like to read in newspapers that they are killing the nation's defense industry Besides, I doubt Sosna-U offers any advantage over 1A45+Essa to merit contention.

    Thank You for this find Smile

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  TR1 on Wed May 29, 2013 3:09 am

    http://imageshack.us/a/img855/4015/1321p.jpg

    T-72BM and the results of apparently rather active exploitation Very Happy

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  TR1 on Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:19 pm

    Remember that T-72 turret that flew through a building in Tskinval?



    Monument now.


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    Vitaly delivers some sexy T-72B3 photos:

    Post  TR1 on Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:27 am

    Vitaly delivers some sexy T-72B3 photos:



    http://77rus.smugmug.com/Military/Tank-Biathlon-2013/i-PgGFgsc/0/O/TankBiathlon2013-09.jpg

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:00 am

    Gur Khan mentioned rumor that from 2014, MOD is buying T-72s with Kalina FCS and panoramic sight, not just Sosna-U.

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  collegeboy16 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:23 pm

    TR1 wrote:Gur Khan mentioned rumor that from 2014, MOD is buying T-72s with Kalina FCS and panoramic sight, not just Sosna-U.
    This the one with catherine xp right? If true then good, they would need next gen FCS and kalina though a bit late is a step towards that.

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  Viktor on Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:27 am

    More than 150 T-72B3 received this year (who knows how many overall are planed)

    Upgraded T-72B3 tanks entered service 20th Army

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:37 am

    Viktor wrote:More than 150 T-72B3 received this year (who knows how many overall are planed)

    Upgraded T-72B3 tanks entered service 20th Army
    I'm not sure whether i missed it, but can someone give me the details on the improvements of the T-72B3.scratch 

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  TR1 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:32 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:More than 150 T-72B3 received this year (who knows how many overall are planed)

    Upgraded T-72B3 tanks entered service 20th Army
    I'm not sure whether i missed it, but can someone give me the details on the improvements  of the T-72B3.scratch 
    Sosna-U is the biggest change.

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:17 pm

    Modified T-72 with additional protection kit for urban survival


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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:14 pm

    George1 wrote:Modified T-72 with additional protection kit for urban survival

    It's been brought up before - but why doesn't that new T-72 mod have a remote controlled machine-gun; instead of the current shielded machine-gun set-up?

    I suppose it can still probably be remote-controlled from inside like in the T-90 - the shield is just there in case the commander wants to pop-up.

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  TR1 on Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:04 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    George1 wrote:Modified T-72 with additional protection kit for urban survival

    It's been brought up before - but why doesn't that new T-72 mod have a remote controlled machine-gun; instead of the current shielded machine-gun set-up?

    I suppose it can still probably be remote-controlled from inside like in the T-90 - the shield is just there in case the commander wants to pop-up.
    It can be mounted if the customer chooses it, but at times having a set of eyes is irreplaceable.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:39 am


    It's been brought up before - but why doesn't that new T-72 mod have a remote controlled machine-gun; instead of the current shielded machine-gun set-up?
    One of the things that make the T-72 upgrade cheaper than a T-90...

    It can be mounted if the customer chooses it, but at times having a set of eyes is irreplaceable.
    Indeed, it is not totally about being able to use the HMG... it is about visibility and having some protection while having a good look around.


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    Post  TR1 on Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:06 pm

    http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=779&p=2

    Good photos of T-72B1/3 in service. Just scroll through the thread!

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:50 am

    TR1 wrote:http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=779&p=2

    Good photos of T-72B1/3 in service. Just scroll through the thread!
    I still can't get used to the weird ERA placements on this tank. No 

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    Post  TR1 on Thu Nov 28, 2013 3:42 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    TR1 wrote:http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=779&p=2

    Good photos of T-72B1/3 in service. Just scroll through the thread!
    I still can't get used to the weird ERA placements on this tank. No 
    Yeah its weird, other stupid thing is the non-automatic sight cover.

    Good summary of T-72B3 upgrade:
    -overhaul of T-72B or B1
    -new autoloader(for "Svinets" APFSDS)
    -new 125mm 2A46M5 gun
    -new FCS, and new gunner main sight "Sosna-U"(same sight on T-90MS) 1A40 used as a backup
    -new radiostation R-168-25U-2
    -commander sight TKN-3MK with "duplication" mode

    T-72B4 as we know will add the commanders panoramic sight (same as T-90MS) as well as battle management systems.

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  zg18 on Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:06 pm



    About 30 (31?) T-72B3 bacth sent to southern MD

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/44627/

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  Viktor on Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:00 am

    I think we had that picture posted here already about T-72B3?!?

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:19 pm

    Yeah that is an older pic, not the exact same T-72B3s.

    http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9759/94845085.d6/0_a8977_d6e8063d_XL.jpg


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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  TR1 on Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:20 pm

    http://www.itar-tass.com/politika/825084

    The Ground Forces received more than 250 T-72B3 tanks in 2013.

    I have to say, it is not a bad figure, at all.
    Now if they would work out the last kinks of the B3....without increasing price too much...well we will see with B4 next year.

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  Viktor on Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:24 pm

    TR1 wrote:http://www.itar-tass.com/politika/825084

    The Ground Forces received more than 250 T-72B3 tanks in 2013.

    I have to say, it is not a bad figure, at all. 
    Now if they would work out the last kinks of the B3....without increasing price too much...well we will see with B4 next year.


    Excellent. Thats more than I thought.

    But look at this:

    Land Forces of the Russian Federation to the end of the year will receive an additional 20 T-72BZ

    20 more T-72BZ ??? what is this?

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    Post  TR1 on Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:41 pm

    Bad translation, but 20 more B3 yeah.

    Hmmm, 270 seems really high considering the kind of contracts I saw UVZ looking at several years ago (330 tanks over 3 years or something).
    Maybe it includes missed deliveries from 2012, who know.
    Some overhauled T-72Bs were delivered to units operating T-80B, but they were not fully upgraded to B3 standard. I have a feeling the Colonel included these in the numbers...but I could be wrong.

    Will be very intersting to see how many follow up next year.

    I need to add up all T-72B1, B3, BA numbers one of these days.

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  medo on Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:42 pm

    Good news, I also hope they will modernize part of their T-72 to BMPT-72.

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