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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  0nillie0 on Tue May 16, 2017 6:27 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    T-72B3M have panoramic sights...you can see it on the top hatch the lens is just covered to protect it no doubt since unless the sights are active you cover them this is a standard rule.

    I think you missed the part where i distinguished between the T-72B3M which entered service in 2014-2015, and the recently showcased T-72B3M which was seen in the victory parade and other recent photo's.

    The 2014-2015 "T-72B3M" :

    This has the panoramic sight installed, but obviously lacks the upgrades of the newer model.

    The 2017 "T-72B3M" :


    This is the version that is entering service now. It has been seen both at the victory parade, as well as in transport to enter service. Not all tanks apear to have been equipped with the full kit, as we have seen tanks in transport which only have the new sideskirts and slat armor installed, but lack the new ERA modules on the side of the turret and front of the hull.

    This version clearly also lacks a panoramic sight, yet it also reffered to by various people here, as well as official sources as "T-72B3M".
    Note that NONE of the new batch of vehicles that i personally have seen so far have been equipped with a panoramic sight. Perhaps i missed it.
    Sites like Sputnik have said that it is suppose to also feature the sight of the 2015 version, but like i said, it seems to be missing from the kit currently being fielded.

    It could off course be a retrofit that will be implemented later on, as it requires additional modification of the actual turret and additional equipment inside the commander station, where as the 2017 kit is mostly bolt on, with many elements that possibly could be installed even in field conditions.
    Hence the confusion, and what we have been talking about all this time.
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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue May 16, 2017 7:12 pm

    0nillie0 wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    T-72B3M have panoramic sights...you can see it on the top hatch the lens is just covered to protect it no doubt since unless the sights are active you cover them this is a standard rule.

    I think you missed the part where i distinguished between the T-72B3M which entered service in 2014-2015, and the recently showcased T-72B3M which was seen in the victory parade and other recent photo's.

    The 2014-2015 "T-72B3M" :

    This has the panoramic sight installed, but obviously lacks the upgrades of the newer model.

    The 2017 "T-72B3M" :


    This is the version that is entering service now. It has been seen both at the victory parade, as well as in transport to enter service. Not all tanks apear to have been equipped with the full kit, as we have seen tanks in transport which only have the new sideskirts and slat armor installed, but lack the new ERA modules on the side of the turret and front of the hull.

    This version clearly also lacks a panoramic sight, yet it also reffered to by various people here, as well as official sources as "T-72B3M".
    Note that NONE of the new batch of vehicles that i personally have seen so far have been equipped with a panoramic sight. Perhaps i missed it.
    Sites like Sputnik have said that it is suppose to also feature the sight of the 2015 version, but like i said, it seems to be missing from the kit currently being fielded.

    It could off course be a retrofit that will be implemented later on, as it requires additional modification of the actual turret and additional equipment inside the commander station, where as the 2017 kit is mostly bolt on, with many elements that possibly could be installed even in field conditions.
    Hence the confusion, and what we have been talking about all this time.

    You can see the mount, T-72BSM's are equipped with sights.

    That said the parade tanks where brand new meaning they just came off the line they still have to attach things like the sights.

    Russia has a nice habit of parading unfinished tanks, Armata, T-14 etc.

    you are over analyzing this by extremes.
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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue May 16, 2017 7:53 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    0nillie0 wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    T-72B3M have panoramic sights...you can see it on the top hatch the lens is just covered to protect it no doubt since unless the sights are active you cover them this is a standard rule.

    I think you missed the part where i distinguished between the T-72B3M which entered service in 2014-2015, and the recently showcased T-72B3M which was seen in the victory parade and other recent photo's.

    The 2014-2015 "T-72B3M" :

    This has the panoramic sight installed, but obviously lacks the upgrades of the newer model.

    The 2017 "T-72B3M" :


    This is the version that is entering service now. It has been seen both at the victory parade, as well as in transport to enter service. Not all tanks apear to have been equipped with the full kit, as we have seen tanks in transport which only have the new sideskirts and slat armor installed, but lack the new ERA modules on the side of the turret and front of the hull.

    This version clearly also lacks a panoramic sight, yet it also reffered to by various people here, as well as official sources as "T-72B3M".
    Note that NONE of the new batch of vehicles that i personally have seen so far have been equipped with a panoramic sight. Perhaps i missed it.
    Sites like Sputnik have said that it is suppose to also feature the sight of the 2015 version, but like i said, it seems to be missing from the kit currently being fielded.

    It could off course be a retrofit that will be implemented later on, as it requires additional modification of the actual turret and additional equipment inside the commander station, where as the 2017 kit is mostly bolt on, with many elements that possibly could be installed even in field conditions.
    Hence the confusion, and what we have been talking about all this time.

    You can see the mount, T-72BSM's are equipped with sights.

    That said the parade tanks where brand new meaning they just came off the line they still have to attach things like the sights.

    Russia has a nice habit of parading unfinished tanks, Armata, T-14 etc.

    you are over analyzing this by extremes.

    No, the announcer at the V-day parade was quite clear that those were T-72B3s not the B3M/B4s, i checked the footage myself and they did not have the Independent commander sight.

    Unfinished and going through finalization are 2 different things.
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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  0nillie0 on Wed May 17, 2017 10:56 am

    "Two dozen modernized tanks T-72B3 entered the arsenal of motorized infantry 1st Panzer Army"



    https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/864438035215040512/photo/1

    Note that the Russian MOD refers to these tanks as just "T-72B3".

    Also : take a look at the picture below taken from the Armata Thread :
    http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/38024980/4182855/4182855_original.jpg

    Where the mount for the panoramic sight is supposed to be, there is nothing but an ERA tile. So IMHO at least this batch of new tanks will not have panoramic sight.
    And i believe this trend will continue untill we see "T-72B4" enter service in the future, which will use more components of Armata, with T-72B3M as a low rate production intermediate platform, perhaps reserved for battlefield command role or specific units.
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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  Cheetah on Thu May 18, 2017 5:59 am

    Bumped into this while doing the rounds.

    Syria and Israel to participate in International Army Games for first time

    Syria, South Africa, Israel, Uzbekistan, Fiji, Uganda and Laos will for the first time participate in the International Army Games, the organizing committee said while holding a conference with the foreign military attaches from 32 countries on Wednesday.

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/946347

    http://tass.com/defense/946347

    Could we see a Merkava MK4 in tank biathlon?
    If so, it would be interesting to see how it goes against the T-72B3
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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  George1 Yesterday at 2:23 pm

    Belorussian modernization of the T-72 tank



    On May 8-22, 2017, the 8th international exhibition of arms and military equipment MILEX-2017, Belarusian companies Beltechexport, OJSC 140 repair plant (Borisov) and OJSC Peleng (Minsk), held in Minsk (Belorussia) from May 20 to May 22, 2017, Presented a modernized tank T-72BME, which is the result of a "deep modernization" of the T-72 tanks.

    In the press release of the exhibition it is reported that the main essence of the T-72BME tank modernization is the installation of a new sighting complex with a thermal imaging sight, reinforcement of armor protection by an effective combination of monolithic and combined armored protection with additional installation of dynamic protection and anti-cumulative screens, increased mobility by installing more A powerful engine, as well as autonomy in the conduct of ambushes and defensive actions by using a built-in autonomous power source.

    The main distinguishing elements of the T-72BME tank are:
    Installation of the integrated control system "ESSA-72U", including a multi-channel thermal imaging sight, ballistic computer, television indicators and a backup sight of the tank commander, which ensures effective destruction of enemy targets at maximum range in all weather conditions day and night;

    Installation of a set of sensors (a wind sensor, a gun position sensor, an atmospheric pressure sensor, roll and pitch sensors, a gun position sensor), which significantly reduced the aiming time on the target to improve the accuracy of firing from the spot and in motion;

    Ensuring the possibility of conducting fire by all types of 125-mm rounds, including modern tank guided missiles;

    Installation of the "Contact-1" type of dynamic protection [and also protective screen grids];

    Installation of the 902B "Cloud" system with eight launchers;

    Installation of the V-84MS engine with 840 hp;

    Installation of a digital VHF radio station of the last generation BARRETT-2082 +;

    Installation of a modern infrared or thermal imager of the driver;

    Installation of an autonomous diesel power source to ensure operation of the main tank systems in the defense and save the life of the main engine.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2621919.html


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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  Book. Yesterday at 7:46 pm

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