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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:44 am

    Russia Begins Producing Parts For Ukrainian-Made Engines For An-124
    Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov said in late July that the existing fleet of An-124 aircraft could be used until 2050 as long as their electronic systems were upgraded and Ukrainian-produced engines were replaced with Russian-made ones. https://www.urdupoint.com/en/business/russia-begins-producing-parts-for-ukrainian-m-427175.html
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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:30 am

    This is good news for the current Russian company operators of the An-124 and the Russian military operators, but it will be even better when they have a new engine to replace the Ukrainian engine completely.

    With new Russian electronics and Russian engines then new transport become less urgent, but I would say that a new shorter An-124 with only two engines with a payload capacity of 70-90 tons would be interesting, but at the end of the day a new redesigned aircraft family that can fill the three roles needed... ie the An-22, An-124, and the An-225 roles would be very useful.

    The problem is that they are never going to need more than 2-3 An-225 class aircraft, so having a unified design, which means adding or removing wing and body sections and of course engines would be a valuable thing... you could operate them all as 2 and 4 engined versions until you need to move a big bulky component for the space agency and you can pop on two extra engines and at the H tail so the large external load does not effect stability of the tail... you wouldn't even need to extend the fuselage as the loads are generally carried externally on the An-225 anyway... so that should make its performance even better as it will be lighter.

    If you need to transport a heavy load internally then extra fuselage sections could be added then as well as engines...
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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  AMCXXL on Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:00 am

    GarryB wrote:This is good news for the current Russian company operators of the An-124 and the Russian military operators, but it will be even better when they have a new engine to replace the Ukrainian engine completely.

    With new Russian electronics and Russian engines then new transport become less urgent, but I would say that a new shorter An-124 with only two engines with a payload capacity of 70-90 tons would be interesting, but at the end of the day a new redesigned aircraft family that can fill the three roles needed... ie the An-22, An-124, and the An-225 roles would be very useful.

    The problem is that they are never going to need more than 2-3 An-225 class aircraft, so having a unified design, which means adding or removing wing and body sections and of course engines would be a valuable thing... you could operate them all as 2 and 4 engined versions until you need to move a big bulky component for the space agency and you can pop on two extra engines and at the H tail so the large external load does not effect stability of the tail... you wouldn't even need to extend the fuselage as the loads are generally carried externally on the An-225 anyway... so that should make its performance even better as it will be lighter.

    If you need to transport a heavy load internally then extra fuselage sections could be added then as well as engines...

    An-225 was designed for launch the Soviet Space Shuttle without rockets
    After the economic catastrophe that Gorbachev created, the Buran program was canceled and then the USSR itself
    An-225 has no military value, Ukraine only continues to operate it as propaganda, the An-124 is sufficient for the military needs of Russia or any other country, heavier loads are transported by boat or rail


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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:16 am

    An-225 was designed for launch the Soviet Space Shuttle without rockets..
    An-225 has no military value, Ukraine only continues to operate it as propaganda,..
    No, it wasn't designed for launch the Soviet Space Shuttle Buran, only transport it from plant to cosmodrome & back. They earn a lot of $ with it.
    No U.S. air carrier can offer a comparable solution, and no other airplane in the fleet of Antonov or any other air carrier can match the capacity and flexibility that a single AN-225 flight can offer. http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/23486/heres-the-justification-for-fema-chartering-the-worlds-largest-jet-to-rush-supplies-to-guam

    A 2nd 1 may be completed:
    https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/antonov-an-225-kiev-ukraine/index.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6122145/Hidden-twin-worlds-biggest-aircraft-225-lying-unfinished-nearly-25-years.html
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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  AMCXXL on Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:56 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    An-225 was designed for launch the Soviet Space Shuttle without rockets..
    An-225 has no military value, Ukraine only continues to operate it as propaganda,..
    No, it wasn't designed for launch the Soviet Space Shuttle Buran, only transport it from plant to cosmodrome & back. They earn a lot of $ with it.
    No U.S. air carrier can offer a comparable solution, and no other airplane in the fleet of Antonov or any other air carrier can match the capacity and flexibility that a single AN-225 flight can offer. http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/23486/heres-the-justification-for-fema-chartering-the-worlds-largest-jet-to-rush-supplies-to-guam

    The landing test of Enterprise STS prototype was launched from a Jumbo, I supose Buran also

    An-225 is a living relic of the past. Ukraine has no industrial capacity to build anything after having squandered the Soviet legacy

    Next year, the North Stream will be finished, Russia will stop using the Ukrainian gas pipelines and Ucrania will return to the stone age
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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:14 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:..............
    A 2nd 1 may be completed:
    https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/antonov-an-225-kiev-ukraine/index.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6122145/Hidden-twin-worlds-biggest-aircraft-225-lying-unfinished-nearly-25-years.html

    There is no way in frozen hell that the Ukraine will be finishing that one. Antonov is currently manufacturing (shitty) wood stoves not aircraft.

    An-225 will be built but in China not 404. Russia will be going with either localized An-124 or PAK-DA that may get superheavy version.

    But the Ukraine no way...
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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:54 am

    An-225 was designed for launch the Soviet Space Shuttle without rockets

    The An-225 was designed to transport the Buran from where it was made to where it would be launched.

    It could possibly have been used to take the Buran up into the air for testing landing performance (the Buran could be fitted with jet engines so go arounds could be performed) but there is no way it could ever actually launch from the back of an aircraft and do anything but immediately land.

    You can't take a Buran on the back of a truck or a train through a tunnel... or via most routes (road and rail) due to size.

    Flying it on the back of an aircraft is much faster and easier.

    After the economic catastrophe that Gorbachev created, the Buran program was canceled and then the USSR itself

    Buran is cancelled, but there is talk of a new shuttle programme... with scramjet engines a new "space plane" actually could make sense...

    An-225 has no military value, Ukraine only continues to operate it as propaganda, the An-124 is sufficient for the military needs of Russia or any other country, heavier loads are transported by boat or rail

    The AN-225 has no military value, but the space industry has requirements for large external loads that need to be transported from where they are made to where they are used...

    Which current aircraft can carry these two loads (fuel tanks for the space industry):





    Next year, the North Stream will be finished, Russia will stop using the Ukrainian gas pipelines and Ucrania will return to the stone age

    Sadly I think the EU will demand gas supplies through Ukraine to support their new puppet state, but really as the end user of the gas it will be their money that pays the transit fees, so if they want to do that then who cares?

    But the Ukraine no way...

    Have to agree.... when democracy hits them and they become western wealthy they can make hundreds of them... Twisted Evil but until then... without an enormous amount of investment it wont happen.

    Had they kept good terms with Russia it could have happened but to get western support they had to cut off Russia... I wonder what happens if the west suddenly realises its mistake and Russia isn't to blame for everything... what sort of acts will they expect from Kiev to entertain them?



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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:55 am

    The AN-225 has no military value..
    Tangentially it does, as it frees smaller military transports to do their missions that otherwise would be pressed to help with supplies to civilians & military alike.

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