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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:44 am

    Russia Begins Producing Parts For Ukrainian-Made Engines For An-124
    Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov said in late July that the existing fleet of An-124 aircraft could be used until 2050 as long as their electronic systems were upgraded and Ukrainian-produced engines were replaced with Russian-made ones. https://www.urdupoint.com/en/business/russia-begins-producing-parts-for-ukrainian-m-427175.html
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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:30 am

    This is good news for the current Russian company operators of the An-124 and the Russian military operators, but it will be even better when they have a new engine to replace the Ukrainian engine completely.

    With new Russian electronics and Russian engines then new transport become less urgent, but I would say that a new shorter An-124 with only two engines with a payload capacity of 70-90 tons would be interesting, but at the end of the day a new redesigned aircraft family that can fill the three roles needed... ie the An-22, An-124, and the An-225 roles would be very useful.

    The problem is that they are never going to need more than 2-3 An-225 class aircraft, so having a unified design, which means adding or removing wing and body sections and of course engines would be a valuable thing... you could operate them all as 2 and 4 engined versions until you need to move a big bulky component for the space agency and you can pop on two extra engines and at the H tail so the large external load does not effect stability of the tail... you wouldn't even need to extend the fuselage as the loads are generally carried externally on the An-225 anyway... so that should make its performance even better as it will be lighter.

    If you need to transport a heavy load internally then extra fuselage sections could be added then as well as engines...
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    Post  AMCXXL on Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:00 am

    GarryB wrote:This is good news for the current Russian company operators of the An-124 and the Russian military operators, but it will be even better when they have a new engine to replace the Ukrainian engine completely.

    With new Russian electronics and Russian engines then new transport become less urgent, but I would say that a new shorter An-124 with only two engines with a payload capacity of 70-90 tons would be interesting, but at the end of the day a new redesigned aircraft family that can fill the three roles needed... ie the An-22, An-124, and the An-225 roles would be very useful.

    The problem is that they are never going to need more than 2-3 An-225 class aircraft, so having a unified design, which means adding or removing wing and body sections and of course engines would be a valuable thing... you could operate them all as 2 and 4 engined versions until you need to move a big bulky component for the space agency and you can pop on two extra engines and at the H tail so the large external load does not effect stability of the tail... you wouldn't even need to extend the fuselage as the loads are generally carried externally on the An-225 anyway... so that should make its performance even better as it will be lighter.

    If you need to transport a heavy load internally then extra fuselage sections could be added then as well as engines...

    An-225 was designed for launch the Soviet Space Shuttle without rockets
    After the economic catastrophe that Gorbachev created, the Buran program was canceled and then the USSR itself
    An-225 has no military value, Ukraine only continues to operate it as propaganda, the An-124 is sufficient for the military needs of Russia or any other country, heavier loads are transported by boat or rail


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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:16 am

    An-225 was designed for launch the Soviet Space Shuttle without rockets..
    An-225 has no military value, Ukraine only continues to operate it as propaganda,..
    No, it wasn't designed for launch the Soviet Space Shuttle Buran, only transport it from plant to cosmodrome & back. They earn a lot of $ with it.
    No U.S. air carrier can offer a comparable solution, and no other airplane in the fleet of Antonov or any other air carrier can match the capacity and flexibility that a single AN-225 flight can offer. http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/23486/heres-the-justification-for-fema-chartering-the-worlds-largest-jet-to-rush-supplies-to-guam

    A 2nd 1 may be completed:
    https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/antonov-an-225-kiev-ukraine/index.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6122145/Hidden-twin-worlds-biggest-aircraft-225-lying-unfinished-nearly-25-years.html
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    Post  AMCXXL on Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:56 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    An-225 was designed for launch the Soviet Space Shuttle without rockets..
    An-225 has no military value, Ukraine only continues to operate it as propaganda,..
    No, it wasn't designed for launch the Soviet Space Shuttle Buran, only transport it from plant to cosmodrome & back. They earn a lot of $ with it.
    No U.S. air carrier can offer a comparable solution, and no other airplane in the fleet of Antonov or any other air carrier can match the capacity and flexibility that a single AN-225 flight can offer. http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/23486/heres-the-justification-for-fema-chartering-the-worlds-largest-jet-to-rush-supplies-to-guam

    The landing test of Enterprise STS prototype was launched from a Jumbo, I supose Buran also

    An-225 is a living relic of the past. Ukraine has no industrial capacity to build anything after having squandered the Soviet legacy

    Next year, the North Stream will be finished, Russia will stop using the Ukrainian gas pipelines and Ucrania will return to the stone age
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:14 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:..............
    A 2nd 1 may be completed:
    https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/antonov-an-225-kiev-ukraine/index.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6122145/Hidden-twin-worlds-biggest-aircraft-225-lying-unfinished-nearly-25-years.html

    There is no way in frozen hell that the Ukraine will be finishing that one. Antonov is currently manufacturing (shitty) wood stoves not aircraft.

    An-225 will be built but in China not 404. Russia will be going with either localized An-124 or PAK-DA that may get superheavy version.

    But the Ukraine no way...
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:54 am

    An-225 was designed for launch the Soviet Space Shuttle without rockets

    The An-225 was designed to transport the Buran from where it was made to where it would be launched.

    It could possibly have been used to take the Buran up into the air for testing landing performance (the Buran could be fitted with jet engines so go arounds could be performed) but there is no way it could ever actually launch from the back of an aircraft and do anything but immediately land.

    You can't take a Buran on the back of a truck or a train through a tunnel... or via most routes (road and rail) due to size.

    Flying it on the back of an aircraft is much faster and easier.

    After the economic catastrophe that Gorbachev created, the Buran program was canceled and then the USSR itself

    Buran is cancelled, but there is talk of a new shuttle programme... with scramjet engines a new "space plane" actually could make sense...

    An-225 has no military value, Ukraine only continues to operate it as propaganda, the An-124 is sufficient for the military needs of Russia or any other country, heavier loads are transported by boat or rail

    The AN-225 has no military value, but the space industry has requirements for large external loads that need to be transported from where they are made to where they are used...

    Which current aircraft can carry these two loads (fuel tanks for the space industry):





    Next year, the North Stream will be finished, Russia will stop using the Ukrainian gas pipelines and Ucrania will return to the stone age

    Sadly I think the EU will demand gas supplies through Ukraine to support their new puppet state, but really as the end user of the gas it will be their money that pays the transit fees, so if they want to do that then who cares?

    But the Ukraine no way...

    Have to agree.... when democracy hits them and they become western wealthy they can make hundreds of them... Twisted Evil but until then... without an enormous amount of investment it wont happen.

    Had they kept good terms with Russia it could have happened but to get western support they had to cut off Russia... I wonder what happens if the west suddenly realises its mistake and Russia isn't to blame for everything... what sort of acts will they expect from Kiev to entertain them?



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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:55 am

    The AN-225 has no military value..
    Tangentially it does, as it frees smaller military transports to do their missions that otherwise would be pressed to help with supplies to civilians & military alike.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:24 am

    Country 404 want to restart production of the Ruslan without Russia....

    https://112.international/ukraine-top-news/antonov-state-enterprise-to-renew-production-of-ruslan-aircraft-in-2019-36013.html

    The only thing they could do is giving away for free the design of the Ruslan to the americans, maybe to be used for an improved C5.

    For sure america will not spend money to help recertify the ruslan without russian components and rebuilding completely the supply chain.


    It's a pity that the name and the design rights of an historical Russian aviation design company, founded by a Russian in Russia, remained with the secessionist separatist state of Ukraine...


    It is sad that due to political reasons it was not possible to cooperate and restart production of the An-124 before 2013, but probably it was for the best. The current version of the Ruslan has old, loud and inefficient engines (they were quite good 30 years ago, and they could have been used as a research basis for a modern engine, but they were in the wrong country and anyway not anymore in production) old avionics and internal systems and it would have remained a sort of blackmail weapon in the hand of ukrainian politicians.

    The aircraft would have needed a similar treatment that the il-76 received, a digitalisation of the design and a complete modernisation. From certain points of view, it would have been also easier, since 2/3 of the Ruslan were already produced in Ulianovsk.  Unfortunately modern engines of the same thrust rating were not ready yet in Russia.

    This is the path the Russia is now following with the Il-106, that will include combine the base design of the never built  An-22 replacement (Il-106) with some design solutions and cargo hold size of the An-124 united with modern Russian engines.


    I just hope that, in the not so distant future, new modern Russian aircrafts with the Antonov name will be able again to be produced and fly....
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:52 am

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:It's a pity that the name and the design rights of an historical Russian aviation design company, founded by a Russian in Russia, remained with the secessionist separatist state of Ukraine...
    Q - How do you get a Ukrainian involved in small business?
    A - Give him a big business and let him take it from there... Very Happy

    The fate of once-mighty Antonov proves this isn't a joke but a realistic appraisal of 404istan.
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    Post  Hole on Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:46 pm

    Really stupid from Antonov not to re-settle to Moscow or St. Petersburg. They would be back to the top of the transport aircraft business in an instance. Do they really think they could sell one of their aircraft to the west?
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:52 pm

    Hole wrote:Really stupid from Antonov not to re-settle to Moscow or St. Petersburg. They would be back to the top of the transport aircraft business in an instance. Do they really think they could sell one of their aircraft to the west?

    This is one of the many idiotic "accomplishments" of russian politicians in the 1990s, they also abandoned all the industries, both in the naval and in the aerospace field in the prorussian south of ukraine.

    Not to speak of the many Tu160 that were stationed in Ukraine. A few were given back for debit relief, but more than half were destroyed under american orders.....
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:51 pm

    Country 404 want to restart production of the Ruslan without Russia....
    But do they have firm orders from any1? Sure, China, Japan, India & maybe the US could buy/lease a few. It won't be feasible w/o large orders, so good luck with that!
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:55 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Country 404 want to restart production of the Ruslan without Russia....
    But do they have firm orders from any1? Sure, China, Japan, India & maybe the US could buy/lease a few. It won't be feasible w/o large orders, so good luck with that!

    When Russia and country 404 were trying to restart production, the main orders were from the Russian Air Force and Volga Dnepr Cargo airline. Neither of those will buy from them now, even in the remote chance they manage to restart production.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:03 pm

    That's what I'm saying! Even if they offer Russia a 100% civilian version, w/o Russian parts it won't make any sense, besides they have many An-124s in storage.
    country 404
    - which 1 is that?
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    Post  Hole on Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:41 pm

    The one we don´t mention here… Ukr censored Porkistan.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:41 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    country 404
    - which 1 is that?

    Banderastan AKA the ukraine
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:23 am

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

    Banderastan AKA the ukraine

    more precisely territory formerly known as Ukraine thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:55 am

    Not to speak of the many Tu160 that were stationed in Ukraine. A few were given back for debit relief, but more than half were destroyed under american orders.....

    The agreement on the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the splitting up of resources and military equipment was based on geography... the obvious result was that a lot of the best quality stuff and war reserves that were forward deployed became the property of the Ukraine and Belarus.

    This was compounded because of the withdrawal of material from Eastern Europe of forward deployed high priority Soviet units usually led to them leaving their gear in the first Soviet territory they came to... which was also Belarus and the Ukraine... so a lot of all their newest kit and equipment ended up outside of Russia.

    The Americans weren't interested in helping Russian orphanages or schools or hospitals that were suffering from lack of funding in the 1990s, but they spent all sorts of cash to get submarines and bombers dismantled and destroyed...

    So much for... give up communism and be welcomed into the international community...

    Antonov is dead in Russian service... the An-124s will likely be the last to go, because with new Russian engines they can probably soldier on for 20-30 years, but their light Antonovs like the An-12 and An-26 and An-32 and An-72 wont last beyond 2030 so their replacements are being prepared and there is no suggestion that new engines could solve the problems of keeping them operational.

    The only other Antonov flying will be the Siberian modified composite version of the An-2 which might keep flying forever because nothing else comes close...
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:17 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Antonov is dead in Russian service... the An-124s will likely be the last to go, because with new Russian engines they can probably soldier on for 20-30 years, but their light Antonovs like the An-12 and An-26 and An-32 and An-72 wont last beyond 2030 so their replacements are being prepared and there is no suggestion that new engines could solve the problems of keeping them operational.

    The only other Antonov flying will be the Siberian modified composite version of the An-2 which might keep flying forever because nothing else comes close...


    Well, in a few years the political situation could be different. In that case Russia would have only to start reusing the "An" designation for some aircrafts (e.g. after 2030). All the other Russian design bureau belong anyway to UAC (it is like the MC-21 getting a YAK designation).
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:09 am

    The problem there is that even if everything goes perfectly in the Ukraine... they realise the error of their ways and have open free and fair elections and the new government does not want to ban the Russian language in schools and government documents... the design bureau called Antonov is dead and would need enormous investment to revive to a level where it can work again... the west is not going to fund that because it would be creating a competitor to its own products for the international market and the Russians likely wont fund the Ukrainian MIC for some time to come... just in case it does not happen again.

    No one in the Russian MIC will want to operate under the Antonov design name... for the same reason they don't want to operate under the trade name of Coca Cola... it is just not theirs.

    Their might be a number of very talented engineers who have moved from the Ukraine to Russia but I doubt they will all get together and create Antonov Russia... if anything they might go to work for the UAC but I doubt they will put them in a Ukrainian division of their own either.

    I suspect, in the early 2030s when the light planes... An-12, An-26/32, and the An-72 are all out of service and the only planes in Russian service still called Antonovs are the upgraded An-124 and the An-2s that they will probably give the upgrades new names.

    The An-2s will be all new construction with new materials and hopefully new all Russian components so perhaps a new name is in order?

    The fact that the announcement of the development of the new build came from Sukhoi suggests they might be behind the programme...

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/modernised-an-2-demonstrator-completes-first-flight-413382/

    They might end up calling the new plane the Su-59 or something.

    EDIT: oops, of course it is a transport and not a fighter so it would be Su-58 or Su-60 of course...

    For the An-124 I suspect they will continue to call it the An-124 and its components and electronics and engines being replaced by Russian components over time until it is all Russian... eventually it will be replaced by an all new Russian design probably with the same new engines, so I suspect in the future only the An-2 will continue in Russian service simply because there is nothing really that can replace it properly.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:40 pm

    GarryB wrote:The problem there is that even if everything goes perfectly in the Ukraine... they realise the error of their ways and have open free and fair elections and the new government does not want to ban the Russian language in schools and government documents... the design bureau called Antonov is dead and would need enormous investment to revive to a level where it can work again... the west is not going to fund that because it would be creating a competitor to its own products for the international market and the Russians likely wont fund the Ukrainian MIC for some time to come... just in case it does not happen again.

    No one in the Russian MIC will want to operate under the Antonov design name... for the same reason they don't want to operate under the trade name of Coca Cola... it is just not theirs.

    Their might be a number of very talented engineers who have moved from the Ukraine to Russia but I doubt they will all get together and create Antonov Russia... if anything they might go to work for the UAC but I doubt they will put them in a Ukrainian division of their own either.

    I suspect, in the early 2030s when the light planes... An-12, An-26/32, and the An-72 are all out of service and the only planes in Russian service still called Antonovs are the upgraded An-124 and the An-2s that they will probably give the upgrades new names.

    The An-2s will be all new construction with new materials and hopefully new all Russian components so perhaps a new name is in order?

    The fact that the announcement of the development of the new build came from Sukhoi suggests they might be behind the programme...

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/modernised-an-2-demonstrator-completes-first-flight-413382/

    They might end up calling the new plane the Su-59 or something.

    EDIT: oops, of course it is a transport and not a fighter so it would be Su-58 or Su-60 of course...

    For the An-124 I suspect they will continue to call it the An-124 and its components and electronics and engines being replaced by Russian components over time until it is all Russian... eventually it will be replaced by an all new Russian design probably with the same new engines, so I suspect in the future only the An-2 will continue in Russian service simply because there is nothing really that can replace it properly.
    I agree with your points. What I mean is that by 2030 Ukraine could be only composed by Galicia so all the Soviet industries and brands that ended up in.a foreign country could be again directly Russian.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:29 pm

    If/when Kiev, "the mother of Russian cities", becomes de-jure part of Russia again, the Antonov there will get a new lease on live.
    Until then it'll survive with $ from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan & Turkey buying/building under license An-132s & AN-188 & repairing IL-76/-78s.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:57 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    I agree with your points. What I mean is that by 2030 Ukraine could be only composed by Galicia so all the Soviet industries and brands that ended up in.a foreign country could be again directly Russian.

    Galicia? meh, will return to Poland lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:18 pm

    Poland may take a part of it, but the rest of Galicia will be dealt with like Chechnya was. Some of its restless population could be deported to the Chinese border &/ elsewhere in Siberia & the Far East, to join the descendants of Ukrainian peasants resettled there in the 1800s.

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