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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  wilhelm on Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:41 pm

    It seems to me that the usefulness of the An-225 blueprints and technical drawings is not actually for the An-225 or similar, but rather the An-124.
    The An-225 obviously has differences to the An-124, having a stretched fuselage with the same cross section, a central, mid wing addition has been added to standard An-124 wings, an extra 2 pairs of landing gear wheels per side, deletion of the rear loading ramp, and redesigned tailplane to take into consideration a dorsal external load.

    But you would have to think the overwhelmingly vast majority of the subsystems, substructure and components are identical. The An-225 leveraged massively off the An-124 for good reason....technical and cost reasons.
    From China's point of view regarding technical design and knowhow, this sale, if true, represents a major step toward a large An-124 type aircraft, rather than the An-225, in my opinion.

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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:45 pm

    Now denied by Antonov. Notice that it could just be the sale of the existing An-225 they are denying, not the sale of the bits for the second and all the IPRs.

    http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/09/antonov-denies-report-about-selling.html

    after it went worldwide

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/an-225-revival-proposed-in-new-antonov-china-pact-428949/

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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:46 pm

    "Thus, the parties expressed their intention for long-term cooperation, which provides, in the first stage, of construction of the second AN-225 Mriya, modernized, at the State Enterprise Antonov, and the delivery to the AICC, and in the second stage, joint serial production of An-225 in China under license," the report says.http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/09/antonov-denies-report-about-selling.html
    They recently signed licence production agreement for AN-178:
    Chinese interest in the An-178 is noteworthy for two reasons. If successful, Antonov's partnership with Beijing A-Star in building and selling Chinese military An-178s would break the monopoly of state owned defense contractors like AVIC and NORINCO on PLA procurement. While a newcomer like Beijing A-Star would have to master the challenges of building a 60 ton cargo plane, Antonov's willingness to take that risk speaks to its commitment (and financial need) to sell the An-178 to foreign buyers like China. Antonov has also provided consulting and engineering support to Chinese cargo planes like the Y-20 and Y-9 in the past. http://www.popsci.com/chinese-company-bets-ukrainian-cargo-plane
    Programs such as this, if successful, could lead to additional coproduction opportunities for Antonov with other countries - something management is fervently hoping for as it seeks to revitalize this long-storied aviation firm. http://www.malaysiasun.com/index.php/sid/247125699
    The AN-225 will be useful to PRC in airlift/humanitarian assistance, etc. - 1 can deliver as much as ~4 IL-76s/Y-20s! http://sputniknews.com/asia/20160901/1044865061/ukrainian-aircraft-china-purchase.html
    Can any1 explain why a modified AN-124 was not enough for the Buran, which is lighter & smaller (except the wingspan) than the Space Shuttle? http://www.k26.com/buran/Info/A_Comparison/Numerical_Facts_and_Figures/numerical_facts_and_figures.html  BTW, their engines have even less trust!- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-124_Ruslan#Specifications_.28An-124-100M-150.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle_Carrier_Aircraft#Specifications

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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:41 am

    The AN-225 was for more than just transporting Buran.


    It would be used for the engine of the Energyia rocket and other outsized loads... often in a large fairing for aerodynamic purposes.
    The H tail was critical to carrying large loads on its back, but the extra engines meant a wider range of payloads could be carried.


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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:02 pm

    [quote="Tsavo Lion"]

    Can any1 explain why a modified AN-124 was not enough for the Buran, which is lighter & smaller (except the wingspan) than the Space Shuttle?

    That's not really true. The Buran was marginally smaller and lighter, but not by very much, and teh main weight difference was that the Buran didn't carry the 3x main Hydrolox engines that the Shuttle needed.

    As to why an upgraded Ruslan was required, the Buran empty mass of 42T was within the An-124 nominal capacity, but not when its an aircraft-sized assembly perched on the Ruslans upper exterior, and when its considerable aerodynamic drag needs to be managed. There is a world of difference between 42T skidded mass nestled in your cargo bay and a 42T aircraft passively sitting on your roof. An extra set of engines was required to overcome the extra drag and retain surplus power for contingency, so the Mriya was born...

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:40 pm

    Still, why a modified B-747 was adequate for comparable outside load?
     IMHO, unless AN-225 was also intended for other tasks, a slightly stretched AN-124 could be built for the Buran: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/an-124-300-proposal-could-double-ruslan-range-168196/
    After serially producing the An-225.. , China could add cruise missile and drone launch racks to make it into a larger than B-52 style mother ship. China would likely develop the military portion of that project by themselves. China will also use new An-225s for movement of rockets and large parts to their new island space launch pad, when weather does not allow shipping. China will also use it for faster alternative transport of tanks and other heavy gear to South China Sea islands or to Tibet or other locations as the needs arise. http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/08/china-and-ukraine-will-build-more-of.html
    ...the Antonov organization has also investigating.. [& PRC could capitalize on] an improved hybrid of the An-124 and An-225 called the "An-124-300". It would feature the fuselage of the An-124 and the extended wing of the An-225, kitted up with modern avionics and engines. Since more powerful engines are now available, only four would be needed instead of six. The cargo floor would be extended, and a palletized loading system would be installed. It would have a maximum range of 11,500 kilometers (7,145 miles) with a 100 tonne (110 ton) cargo. Development costs were cited as less than a billion USD. http://www.airvectors.net/avantgt.html
    A pic. of baseline AN-124 in PLAAF markings:

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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  Giulio on Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:24 pm

    Because (I think), the Buran wasn't the single biggest load that the an-225 would transport.

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    Post  Giulio on Sat Sep 03, 2016 11:05 pm

    And I don't know if the Buran in flight above the Antonov, she generated lift by herself, or otherwise, she generated inverted lift, in order to remain on the back of the A-225?? Or she was neutral?

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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  kvs on Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:00 pm

    It is rather obvious that the An-225 was not made for the Buran. But having it allowed its use for the transport of the Buran.

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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:54 am

    As I said they needed a transport plane able to carry large loads externally to replace the modified bomber Bison...

    Payloads included the Buran, but also engine clusters and fuel tanks for Energyia.

    There are pictures around of the VM-T carrying all sorts of different loads on its back that needed transport by air...


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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:21 pm

    Or something like this: http://survincity.com/2013/02/multipurpose-aerospace-system-max/

    Yes, w/o other loads AN-225 would be overkill, & also in the waning days of USSR the Antonov needed to justify its budget allocations. There was even 8-engine AN-325 proposed!
    The second incomplete An-225 is somewhat different than its older active companion. Instead of the twin-tail setup used by the active An-225, the second Cossack has just a single vertical stabilizer. The first aircraft was built with such a tailplane to afford pilots greater control authority when carrying Buran on the Cosscak’s back. A strategic airlifter, however, doesn’t really need the same allowances. The unfinished Cossack also has a rear cargo door, and will probably feature improved high-bypass turbofan engines as well as a glass cockpit. It’s unclear just how China will use the new An-225, however, considering that only one will be completed and the flying/maintenance costs will be incredibly high. It’s also possible that the Chinese government intends to use the An-225 as a testbed, similar to how they’ve utilized their aircraft carrier, to develop concepts and to create heavy strategic airlift aircraft of their own, going forward. The Chinese government aims to have the Cossack completed and airworthy by 2019 at the latest. https://tacairnet.com/2016/08/31/china-aims-to-build-a-second-an-225-cossack-in-cooperation-with-antonov/
    Antonov explained that the agreement they have with China is on studying the potential for finishing the 2nd airframe.
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2114029.html comment: http://csef.ru/en/politica-i-geopolitica/416/an-225-uletaet-na-vostok-kak-kiev-prodaetsya-kitayu-za-besczenok-7001

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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:45 pm

    Kiev intends to leave the Ukraine-Russia-NATO SALIS program on the use of An-124 transport planes, the CEO of the Ukrainian aircraft maker said Wednesday.

    KIEV (Sputnik) — Kiev intends to leave the trilateral Ukraine-Russia-NATO Strategic Airlift Interim Solution (SALIS) program on the use of An-124 transport planes in the Alliance's interests, the CEO of the Ukrainian aircraft maker Antonov Airlines, Oleksandr Gritsenko, said Wednesday. "We will participate [in the program] with the Russian company until December 31, and beginning January 1 we will carry out work to operate independently," Gritsenko told journalists. The SALIS program started in 2006, and involves Ukraine's Antonov Airlines and Russia's Volga-Dnepr Airlines, the world's largest operators of Antonov An-124 planes.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/europe/20160907/1045054883/ukraine-russia-nato-antonov.html
    Ruslan and the AN-124 could be forced out of business as Russia and Ukraine squabble
    By Alex Lennane 09/09/2016
    The future of the AN-124 aircraft is in serious doubt after Ukrainian manufacturer Antonov said it would not work with Russian companies after January 1 2017, and could halt international AN-124 operations.

    Ukraine announced on Wednesday that it was leaving the trilateral Ukraine-Russia-NATO Strategic Airlift Interim Solution (SALIS), which would also see the end of Ruslan, the joint marketing agreement between Antonov Airlines and Volga-Dnepr.

    CargoForwarder reported that Antonov had also announced a flight ban on all Russia-registered AN-124 operations outside of Russia – which could be a severe blow to Volga-Dnepr. The Loadstar was unable to confirm this however.

    Volga-Dnepr has 10 AN-124s, and Antonov Airlines has seven of the aircraft, which are widely used in military operations as well as for commercial heavylift cargo.

    With the end surely nigh for Ruslan, manufacturer Antonov will need a company to market its AN-124s. According to Cargo Facts, it has been in talks with AirX – a charter airline moving into cargo, which recently poached a number of Chapman Freeborn executives.

    As Cargo Facts notes, why else would “six of its senior staff suddenly decide to work for a small charter airline that operated a handful of small passenger aircraft and one ancient narrowbody freighter”?

    The row began when the Russian aviation authority threatened to stop using Antonov’s support services for AN-124s and re-engining the aircraft using a Russian company.

    Antonov countered that as the designer of the aircraft and the Type Certificate holder, it was the only company able to work on or change the aircraft – and any which had been altered by other companies would not be fit to fly.

    Antonov said: “In case of withdrawal of the AN−124−100 Ruslan civil aircraft from supervision by Antonov, the company will be forced to address international aviation organisations with a statement about the discharge of its responsibility for the safe operation of these airplanes on international air routes.

    “Flight accidents could pose a threat to life and property of inhabitants of countries where the aircraft would be operated.”

    However, yesterday the chief executive of Russian aircraft firm Ilyushin, Sergei Velmozhkin, said his company would begin research and development work on a new transport aircraft, with a scheduled in-service date of 2027.

    Called the IL-106, it has proposed payloads of 80-120 tonnes – which would rival the payload of the AN-124.

    The ongoing ‘war of words’ between Russia and Ukraine also explains why the latter approached China to work with it on a new line for the AN-255.

    Volga-Dnepr was not immediately available for comment. http://theloadstar.co.uk/ruslan-124-forced-business-russia-ukraine-squabble/

    They r grasping for straws, as Russia will find a way to continue using civilian AN-124s. Its AF is not affected.
    China Intensely Investing in Creating Flexible and Capable Airborne Forces Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20160911/1045197033/china-airborne-forces.html
    The first phase of the contract between China and Ukraine provides for the completion and upgrading of the second AN-225 at the Antonov factory in Kiev. The air force plane will be delivered to China in 2017.
    Officially, China did not receive the technical documentation and rights to the production of thr An-225, but, taking into account the widespread corruption in Ukraine and Chinese interests in this aircraft, we can suppose that the chances that China will receive all necessary documentation and technological secrets is very high.
    According to the Chinese side, the deal presumes the creation of an AICC-based production line for the assembly of this type of aircraft and the formation of the production base of spare parts to them in China.
    The second phase of the contract provides for the establishment in China of two large production facilities for the new AN-225, located in Central and Southern China. Antonov will deliver the necessary technological and purchase production equipment for the Chinese. The first completely redesigned AN-225 is expected to start flying in 2019.
    China is a booming economy, has huge funds, and can build from 10 to 15 AN-225s per year, creating  up to 2025, a military cargo fleet of 50-75 [their total payload capacity=200-300 Il-76s/Y-20s!] with which they can design a worldwide force, or create an effective air bridge between the Chinese mainland and islands in the South China Sea which China claims. AN-225 planes can be adjusted to be air supply tankers. One AN-225 can carry 5-6 Chinese tanks or 12 armored personnel carriers.
    The AN-225 is powered by six Progress D-18T engines with 25,000 kgf traction and the same engine as for an AN-124. There is, however, a drawback. Since the beginning of 1984, the Motor Sich plant in Zaporizhia has only produced 188 such engines, the majority before 2001. The Progress D-18T engine is an older model and has not been modernized. It has a short life span and a specific fuel consumption that is 40% higher than American or British engines. China has two types of V-generation multirole aircraft (J-20 and J-31) that uses stealth technology. If China manages to produce upgraded Progress D-18T engines, it will be able to build strategic "invisible" bombers like the American B-2 bomber. http://katehon.com/article/why-does-china-want-produce-225-largest-military-cargo-plane-world
    ..China is working on its own analog to Russia's D-30KP2, "which they want to put in the H-6K bomber and the Y-20 military transport plane. But this is far from the latest in aircraft engine design. I believe that the recently concluded agreement between China and Ukraine on cooperation involving the [super-heavy transport] An-225 Mriya suggests that the Chinese will try to get the Ukrainians' technology, or create it themselves with Ukrainian assistance, to give them heavy-duty engines for their military transport aircraft." Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20160908/1045106424/china-military-aviation-capabilities-russian-analysts.html
    China's military, still largely dependent on railroads for moving troops and heavy freight, could gain a lot from having the gigantic aircraft.

    The plane, the AN-225 Mriya, holds 240 world records for its size and strength. It has six massive engines creating over 300,000 pounds of thrust, and the plane can reportedly carry a 200-ton load nearly 2,500 miles. Such capability would be game-changing for the People's Republic of China. “It would provide China with the large and global lift that not even the US has possessed, except by rental,” wrote Peter Singer, an avid China watcher on Popular Science. “It’s large enough to carry helicopters, tanks, artillery, even other aircraft.” For the most part, as Singer mentioned, China will rent the massive planes, but the agreement does allow for China to domestically build An-225s. Additionally, the Center for Strategic and International Studies uncovered the fact that China has been developing large, military-grade runways, as well as military hardened hangars on it's reclaimed islands in the South China Sea. Having massively improved freight dynamics in the region could greatly benefit China. But the herculean plane lends itself to civil applications too. China could easily use it to move construction supplies, to offload its glut of steel, or to bring supplies to its several building projects as part of the "One Belt, One Road" initiative. As Marcus Weisgerber at DefenseOne points out, the adoption of old, soviet-era technology from Ukraine is an instance of history repeating itself, as China's sole aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, is also a refurbished Ukrainian hull. http://www.businessinsider.com/china-purchasing-an225-plane-2016-9

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    Re: An-124 Strategic Transport: News

    Post  Project Canada on Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:20 pm




    Russia may develop concept aircraft similar to Ukraine’s An-124 in next two years


    http://tass.com/defense/901569?_ga=1.90367578.15676205.1469362849


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