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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:51 pm

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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

    Post  Aberdeenlad on Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:55 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:Read the rules, no linking or posting from other forums.

    Ok. I only put the link in to prove it was a real post and not something I made up. Smile
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:58 pm

    Aberdeenlad wrote:

    Ok. I only put the link in to prove it was a real post and not something I made up. Smile

    There is nothing to prove... we know they didn't sink it. Your government has done the job for them. Laughing

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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

    Post  Aberdeenlad on Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:15 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Aberdeenlad wrote:

    Ok. I only put the link in to prove it was a real post and not something I made up. Smile

    There is nothing to prove... we know they didn't sink it. Your government has done the job for them. Laughing

    Laughing How true is that, how long before they claim the Ark Royal and Illustrious also.
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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:27 pm

    Aberdeenlad wrote:

    Laughing How true is that, how long before they claim the Ark Royal and Illustrious also.

    Ark Royal to be scrapped by Christmas, Illustrious pending review, will be scrapped in 2011 once they realise they can't ditch HMS Ocean. 1 Bay class scrapped, 1 Albion mothballed, all Type 22s scrapped. All Harriers scrapped. 10 years without carrier strike. That Coalition government sure bumb-fucked the Royal Navy. Razz

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    Post  Aberdeenlad on Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:32 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Aberdeenlad wrote:

    Laughing How true is that, how long before they claim the Ark Royal and Illustrious also.

    Ark Royal to be scrapped by Christmas, Illustrious pending review, will be scrapped in 2011 once they realise they can't ditch HMS Ocean. 1 Bay class scrapped, 1 Albion mothballed, all Type 22s scrapped. All Harriers scrapped. That Coalition government sure bumb-fucked the Royal Navy. Razz

    On the plus side, Portsmouth dockyard is getting a tug. Laughing

    Seriously though, much as I hate the government for doing this, I really cant see another way to get us out of the financial mess the previous government got us into. I can only hope that sometime in the future we get some new ships, or we can hope Argentina does us another favour like they did in 1982.
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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:43 pm

    Aberdeenlad wrote:

    On the plus side, Portsmouth dockyard is getting a tug.Laughing

    Need to save those tugs for when your $2 billion submarines run aground. Razz



    Seriously though, much as I hate the government for doing this, I really cant see another way to get us out of the financial mess the previous government got us into. I can only hope that sometime in the future we get some new ships, or we can hope Argentina does us another favour like they did in 1982.

    The Tories did a good job back then screwing the RN, and so they do it again. Labour screwed the Navy by leaving no way to cut contract, so RN is stuck with two carriers, one of which will never see planes and the other with only half a wing. RN took most of the cuts to save their two money pits. Gordy was lobbying so hard for those Scottish shipyards, he didn't realise RAF was going to be losing Scottish bases in the SDSR.

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    Post  Aberdeenlad on Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:53 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Aberdeenlad wrote:

    On the plus side, Portsmouth dockyard is getting a tug.Laughing

    Need to save those tugs for when your $2 billion submarines run aground. Razz



    Seriously though, much as I hate the government for doing this, I really cant see another way to get us out of the financial mess the previous government got us into. I can only hope that sometime in the future we get some new ships, or we can hope Argentina does us another favour like they did in 1982.

    The Tories did a good job back then screwing the RN, and so they do it again. Labour screwed the Navy by leaving no way to cut contract, so RN is stuck with two carriers, one of which will never see planes and the other with only half a wing. RN took most of the cuts to save their two money pits. Gordy was lobbying so hard for those Scottish shipyards, he didn't realise RAF was going to be losing Scottish bases in the SDSR.

    Agree with all you said. I hope we can fix the sub, it's almost all we have left. Smile

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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

    Post  El Eternauta on Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:52 pm

    Aberdeenlad wrote:

    On the plus side, Portsmouth dockyard is getting a tug. Laughing

    Seriously though, much as I hate the government for doing this, I really cant see another way to get us out of the financial mess the previous government got us into. I can only hope that sometime in the future we get some new ships, or we can hope Argentina does us another favour like they did in 1982.

    Anécdota de la guerra de las Malvinas:

    Un comando británico del S.A.S. se le acercó a un comando argentino de la Cía. 601 diciéndole: “Ustedes son comandos y muy buenos, nosotros también somos muy buenos, pero más pícaros, sabemos que van a volver y los estaremos esperando”, el oficial argentino no se quedó atrás y le contestó dejando sin palabras al inglés: “Es usted muy inteligente en pensarlo, sí, vamos a volver y en el futuro seremos más pícaros que ustedes”.




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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

    Post  IronsightSniper on Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:31 pm

    El Eternauta wrote:
    Aberdeenlad wrote:

    On the plus side, Portsmouth dockyard is getting a tug. Laughing

    Seriously though, much as I hate the government for doing this, I really cant see another way to get us out of the financial mess the previous government got us into. I can only hope that sometime in the future we get some new ships, or we can hope Argentina does us another favour like they did in 1982.

    Anécdota de la guerra de las Malvinas:

    Un comando británico del S.A.S. se le acercó a un comando argentino de la Cía. 601 diciéndole: “Ustedes son comandos y muy buenos, nosotros también somos muy buenos, pero más pícaros, sabemos que van a volver y los estaremos esperando”, el oficial argentino no se quedó atrás y le contestó dejando sin palabras al inglés: “Es usted muy inteligente en pensarlo, sí, vamos a volver y en el futuro seremos más pícaros que ustedes”.




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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:38 pm

    Looks like we picked up a straggler from that Argentina forum.
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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:16 am

    I can only hope that sometime in the future we get some new ships, or we can hope Argentina does us another favour like they did in 1982.

    If they had left it till about 1985 I rather doubt Britain would have had any carriers to make the trip...
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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

    Post  soltec on Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:50 pm

    El Eternauta wrote:
    Aberdeenlad wrote:

    On the plus side, Portsmouth dockyard is getting a tug. Laughing

    Seriously though, much as I hate the government for doing this, I really cant see another way to get us out of the financial mess the previous government got us into. I can only hope that sometime in the future we get some new ships, or we can hope Argentina does us another favour like they did in 1982.

    Anécdota de la guerra de las Malvinas:

    Un comando británico del S.A.S. se le acercó a un comando argentino de la Cía. 601 diciéndole: “Ustedes son comandos y muy buenos, nosotros también somos muy buenos, pero más pícaros, sabemos que van a volver y los estaremos esperando”, el oficial argentino no se quedó atrás y le contestó dejando sin palabras al inglés: “Es usted muy inteligente en pensarlo, sí, vamos a volver y en el futuro seremos más pícaros que ustedes”.




    Un abrazo

    ingles por favor
    uno warning!

    Please be patient and be more hospitable
    is the first post of Eternauta, he just wants to participate. or is it bad?

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    Anecdote of the Malvinas war:

    A British command S.A.S. he approached the Argentine command Cia. 601, saying: "You are very good command, we are also very good, but rogues, we know they'll come back and be waiting", the Argentine official was not far behind and told him leaving the English words: "It You are very smart thinking, yeah, come back and in the future you will be more mischievous. "




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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

    Post  Russian Patriot on Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:51 pm

    soltec wrote:
    El Eternauta wrote:
    Aberdeenlad wrote:

    On the plus side, Portsmouth dockyard is getting a tug. Laughing

    Seriously though, much as I hate the government for doing this, I really cant see another way to get us out of the financial mess the previous government got us into. I can only hope that sometime in the future we get some new ships, or we can hope Argentina does us another favour like they did in 1982.

    Anécdota de la guerra de las Malvinas:

    Un comando británico del S.A.S. se le acercó a un comando argentino de la Cía. 601 diciéndole: “Ustedes son comandos y muy buenos, nosotros también somos muy buenos, pero más pícaros, sabemos que van a volver y los estaremos esperando”, el oficial argentino no se quedó atrás y le contestó dejando sin palabras al inglés: “Es usted muy inteligente en pensarlo, sí, vamos a volver y en el futuro seremos más pícaros que ustedes”.




    Un abrazo

    ingles por favor
    uno warning!

    Please be patient and be more hospitable
    is the first post of Eternauta, he just wants to participate. or is it bad?

    POST TRANSLATED
    Anecdote of the Malvinas war:

    A British command S.A.S. he approached the Argentine command Cia. 601, saying: "You are very good command, we are also very good, but rogues, we know they'll come back and be waiting", the Argentine official was not far behind and told him leaving the English words: "It You are very smart thinking, yeah, come back and in the future you will be more mischievous. "




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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:11 am

    Please be patient and be more hospitable

    More patient?

    This is an English speaking forum, which I very much appreciate because ignorant me only understands English.

    Russian language without translation is not allowed and is against the rules so why would any other non English language use without translation be ignored?

    Many forums I have been on there wouldn't have been a warning as his post first or otherwise clearly broke a fairly important forum rule, so I think being told that it was warning number one is being very patient and courteous to someone who clearly has not read and understood the rules before posting.

    I don't want to be harsh as it is his first post, but his first post should also have been an introduction in the introduction section too.

    Perhaps he could use a translator?

    I would like to add a thanks to the moderators who do their job for no money, and of course Vlad for creating this forum for us to use.

    And no, I am not sucking up to the admin, I appreciate their efforts and don't think they are thanked enough and I expect to be bound by the same rules as everyone else.
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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

    Post  soltec on Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:24 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Please be patient and be more hospitable

    More patient?

    This is an English speaking forum, which I very much appreciate because ignorant me only understands English.

    Russian language without translation is not allowed and is against the rules so why would any other non English language use without translation be ignored?

    Many forums I have been on there wouldn't have been a warning as his post first or otherwise clearly broke a fairly important forum rule, so I think being told that it was warning number one is being very patient and courteous to someone who clearly has not read and understood the rules before posting.

    I don't want to be harsh as it is his first post, but his first post should also have been an introduction in the introduction section too.

    Perhaps he could use a translator?

    I would like to add a thanks to the moderators who do their job for no money, and of course Vlad for creating this forum for us to use.

    And no, I am not sucking up to the admin, I appreciate their efforts and don't think they are thanked enough and I expect to be bound by the same rules as everyone else.
    thanks garry
    I undertake to inform to eternauta that be more carefull to make postings
    we are not friends and we know each other personally, but posting on Argentina in the same forum as me.
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    Post  soltec on Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:41 am

    Russian Patriot wrote:
    Soltec , please don't tell me what I need to do!
    but I will try to be more patient on him since its his first post!

    What is the problem with my first post?
    dunno
    I think that more that 4900 views of this is very good for all types forum.
    Your Forum now is is at the top of google now when something search about HMS Invincible sunk in 1982.
    This is bad for you?
    I do not ask them believing in me, I'm just providing information and would contribute more information from Russia because you can access information that never came to Argentina
    UK government does, and I no see the reason that is not questioned.

    Sorry by my poor english i use google translator Wink
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    Post  soltec on Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:56 am

    for example
    see this photo
    source: http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/PictureViewers/InPicturesImagesFromTheFalklandsConflictOf1982.htm
    Photo number 2


    MOD of UK say that this ship is HMS Invincible during Malvinas War in 1982...
    But not is!!


    Is the HMS Illustrious Wink

    ministry staff do not know your own ships?

    Is this acceptable in a government?
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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

    Post  Kysusha on Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:14 am

    While I can accept that there are some difficult questions that need to be answered about the timing of the attack, possible damage, time on station and return to port; the overwhelming feeling is that a stunt [deception] of this magnitude would require planning and expertise of a super-human.

    Remember that Press were embedded with the troops and Invincible was [I believe] carrying the major portion of the Press hangers-on.

    How would the loss of lifes, personal injury, stopping loose talk and the silencing of the total media pack be accomplished? It would only take one person to break ranks and speak out of turn – get drunk and moth off etc or accept money for a story and the whole episode would blow up.

    Much and all as I like a good conspiracy theory – I also like it to be practical.
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    Post  Kysusha on Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:23 am

    soltec wrote:for example
    see this photo
    source: http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/PictureViewers/InPicturesImagesFromTheFalklandsConflictOf1982.htm
    Photo number 2


    MOD of UK say that this ship is HMS Invincible during Malvinas War in 1982...
    But not is!!


    Is the HMS Illustrious Wink

    ministry staff do not know your own ships?

    Is this acceptable in a government?

    Personally, I think you are reading too much into this. Many Defence agencies around the world release "file" pictures when there is no specific reason for an original. There again, it may not have been the MoD - most News agencies go to their library and use photos from that to illistrate a story. In doing so, I do not beleive that they are intentionally trying to be miss-leading and from their perspective - there IS NO / WAS NO issue over the carriers so they were not tryuing to confuse on that score.
    Without seeing the total article and the dialogue that went with it - it really is unreasonable to say that this is a deliberate attampt at deception - hell,, the Argies should know about that after all the stories and "file" photos they released!
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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:06 am

    Soltec, please make it clear to eternauta that he is welcome, but like everyone else needs to follow the rules.

    Moderating is a largely thankless job so telling a moderator to be more patient actually sounds strange when it was just a warning that was given... it is the job of the moderator to ensure everyone follows the rules... if RP was being impatient he could have given a week ban or something drastic. In comparison with that it was just a polite clear warning in the language eternauta speaks (I assume).

    I have never been to a forum where moderators decisions are up for public question let alone discussion and I really don't think a forum could work that way anyway.

    Regarding the thread, I think you are reaching a bit.

    Sure the British government tells lies all the time, but there are simply things it cannot hide.

    The west largely won the propaganda war as well as the cold war, but they aren't that good at it.

    And of course there is the obvious question...if they could disguise the damage or sinking of a carrier why admit to any losses at all? There would be more witnesses to the damage or sinking of a carrier than any other vessel just based on radio traffic at the time. Certainly the Soviets sent up a satellite specifically to monitor the conflict and I really doubt they would miss a chance to catch the UK in a lie... remember Thatcher and Raygun were hardly the best combination in power for the Soviets, so they would be happy to use something like this to try and bring down Thatcher.
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    Re: HMS Invincible and the Malvinas War in 1982

    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:48 pm

    soltec wrote:
    Russian Patriot wrote:
    Soltec , please don't tell me what I need to do!
    but I will try to be more patient on him since its his first post!

    What is the problem with my first post?
    dunno
    I think that more that 4900 views of this is very good for all types forum.
    Your Forum now is is at the top of google now when something search about HMS Invincible sunk in 1982.
    This is bad for you?
    I do not ask them believing in me, I'm just providing information and would contribute more information from Russia because you can access information that never came to Argentina
    UK government does, and I no see the reason that is not questioned.

    Sorry by my poor english i use google translator Wink


    Look Soltec , I have nothing against you or your countryman . I just insist on all rules being followed ( with no exceptions). I did not even give you a warning about no intro. But telling me what I should do is a step over the line! if you have anything against me , report it to Vlad or the other mods!

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