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    Re: Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News

    Post  franco on Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:41 pm

    Two more Su-34 arrive at Chelyabinsk making a total of 14 delivered to the VKS this year.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12207045@egNews
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    Post  medo on Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:54 pm



    Ground mapping by Su-34 radar. It looks like long range mapping with lower resolution.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:04 am

    franco wrote:Two more Su-34 arrive at Chelyabinsk making a total of 14 delivered to the VKS this year.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12207045@egNews

    14 have been delivered so far or they will be delivered until th end of the year?  Question  Because till now i have counted 6xSu34 delivered. And with the last ones 8 in total


    2x http://www.russiadefence.net/t947p650-su-34-tactical-bomber-news#226192

    2x http://www.russiadefence.net/t947p675-su-34-tactical-bomber-news#233971

    2x http://www.russiadefence.net/t947p725-su-34-tactical-bomber-news#237799
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    Re: Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News

    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:22 am

    Now i see the bmpd article. 14 in that regiment with aircrafts transferred from other units also as we saw earlier in 2018

    With the receipt of two Su-34 airplanes transferred on December 6, 2018, the total number of vehicles of this type in the 2nd Guards Bomber Regiment reached 14.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3443769.html

    115 in total if we exclude 7 prototypes and 1 test aircrafts (123 all as the article says)

    * bmpd says however that 10 aircrafts have been delivered in 2018 so far but i have counted 8
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    Re: Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News

    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:48 am

    Ground mapping by Su-34 radar. It looks like long range mapping with lower resolution.

    That looks pretty good resolution to me... for radar... thnks for posting.

    The Russkies also had 'swarm-drone' tactics with their missiles decades before it became a popular thing, which is still vastly superior to those that are now advertised currently. Those swarm drones that are advertised are literally orders of magnitude less lethal than what the USSR Navy had, but the current narrative is that the Federation is 'years behind in UAVs'

    As you point out the wolf pack design of the missiles cooperating and sharing tasks and information is the sort of technology the west is talking about now for use with swarm drones... 1970s vs 2018... yeah... who exactly is behind...

    Of course when F-35s gets the ability to detect targets and pass information on to nearby ship or SAM sites it will be new and high tech...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:59 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Ground mapping by Su-34 radar. It looks like long range mapping with lower resolution.

    That looks pretty good resolution to me... for radar... thnks for posting.

    The Russkies also had 'swarm-drone' tactics with their missiles decades before it became a popular thing, which is still vastly superior to those that are now advertised currently. Those swarm drones that are advertised are literally orders of magnitude less lethal than what the USSR Navy had, but the current narrative is that the Federation is 'years behind in UAVs'

    As you point out the wolf pack design of the missiles cooperating and sharing tasks and information is the sort of technology the west is talking about now for use with swarm drones... 1970s vs 2018... yeah... who exactly is behind...

    Of course when F-35s gets the ability to detect targets and pass information on to nearby ship or SAM sites it will be new and high tech...

    As advertised at 2:30




    ....BTW as you can tell at the beginning of the video, the F-35 is the only multi role 5G fighter Wink, with its unmatched super-cruising and dogfighting... lol1
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    Re: Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News

    Post  Hole on Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:41 am

    Well, it is good to start the day with a laugh. Laughing

    But seriously… even the latest version of the MiG-21 could beat it in a dogfight.
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    Re: Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:56 am

    Don't forget its low flyaway price of $20 million US dollars...
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    Re: Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:14 am


    Ground mapping by Su-34 radar. It looks like long range mapping with lower resolution.

    I remember seeing the radar display of a ground attack Tornado in the 1980s... the display was red and it was a mess... they used it but I don't know how they worked out what was what.... in comparison the display above almost looks like a grainy photograph...
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    Re: Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News

    Post  Singular_Transform on Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:38 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    Ground mapping by Su-34 radar. It looks like long range mapping with lower resolution.

    That looks pretty good resolution to me... for radar... thnks for posting.

    The Russkies also had 'swarm-drone' tactics with their missiles decades before it became a popular thing, which is still vastly superior to those that are now advertised currently. Those swarm drones that are advertised are literally orders of magnitude less lethal than what the USSR Navy had, but the current narrative is that the Federation is 'years behind in UAVs'

    As you point out the wolf pack design of the missiles cooperating and sharing tasks and information is the sort of technology the west is talking about now for use with swarm drones... 1970s vs 2018... yeah... who exactly is behind...

    Of course when F-35s gets the ability to detect targets and pass information on to nearby ship or SAM sites it will be new and high tech...

    As advertised at 2:30




    ....BTW as you can tell at the beginning of the video, the F-35 is the only multi role 5G fighter Wink, with its unmatched super-cruising and dogfighting... lol1

    They decrease the robustness of the system.

    What happens is they saying the next:
    1. saving cost by making everything more integrated
    2 They recognise the integration cost is way more than the actual system cost
    3. They cut back the capabilities / procurement number to keep a lid on the increasing cost.
    4. The system capability maintained by decreasing the redundancy.

    Now, the thing that happens will be the equivalent of running a complicated scheme of dishwashing washing during lunch to decrease the number of tableware ,and save money on it. It will be a complex system, easy to breakdown, and the received benefit will be way less than calculated due to the increase maintenance/ management cost.

    So, they will have a system that can be defeated by ECM jamming, and the jamming on its own can cut back to fraction the system capability.

    They transform the robust and reliable military stuff to cheap consumer stuff ,that cheap when works, but it can works only in a narrow range of conditions.
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    Re: Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News

    Post  medo on Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:07 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Ground mapping by Su-34 radar. It looks like long range mapping with lower resolution.

    I remember seeing the radar display of a ground attack Tornado in the 1980s... the display was red and it was a mess... they used it but I don't know how they worked out what was what.... in comparison the display above almost looks like a grainy photograph...



    Ground mapping from Su-24M radar.




    ground mapping at AJS-37 Viggen




    High res SAR APG-76


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    Re: Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News

    Post  medo on Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:09 pm



    Ground mapping of Hmeimim airbase from Su-35 Irbis radar.
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    Re: Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:54 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:

    They decrease the robustness of the system.
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    Now, the thing that happens will be the equivalent of running a complicated scheme of dishwashing washing during lunch to decrease the number of tableware ,and save money on it. It will be a complex system, easy to breakdown, and the received benefit will be way less than calculated due to the increase maintenance/ management cost.

    So, they will have a system that can be defeated by ECM jamming, and the jamming on its own can cut back to fraction the system capability.

    They transform the robust and reliable military stuff to cheap consumer stuff ,that cheap when works, but it can works only in a narrow range of conditions.

    So what is your vision of 5g fighter? simple? ekhm Russia is going exactly the same road BTW.

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