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    Post  franco on Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:41 pm

    Two more Su-34 arrive at Chelyabinsk making a total of 14 delivered to the VKS this year.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12207045@egNews
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    Post  medo on Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:54 pm

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    Ground mapping by Su-34 radar. It looks like long range mapping with lower resolution.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:04 am

    franco wrote:Two more Su-34 arrive at Chelyabinsk making a total of 14 delivered to the VKS this year.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12207045@egNews

    14 have been delivered so far or they will be delivered until th end of the year?  Question  Because till now i have counted 6xSu34 delivered. And with the last ones 8 in total


    2x http://www.russiadefence.net/t947p650-su-34-tactical-bomber-news#226192

    2x http://www.russiadefence.net/t947p675-su-34-tactical-bomber-news#233971

    2x http://www.russiadefence.net/t947p725-su-34-tactical-bomber-news#237799
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    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:22 am

    Now i see the bmpd article. 14 in that regiment with aircrafts transferred from other units also as we saw earlier in 2018

    With the receipt of two Su-34 airplanes transferred on December 6, 2018, the total number of vehicles of this type in the 2nd Guards Bomber Regiment reached 14.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3443769.html

    115 in total if we exclude 7 prototypes and 1 test aircrafts (123 all as the article says)

    * bmpd says however that 10 aircrafts have been delivered in 2018 so far but i have counted 8
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:48 am

    Ground mapping by Su-34 radar. It looks like long range mapping with lower resolution.

    That looks pretty good resolution to me... for radar... thnks for posting.

    The Russkies also had 'swarm-drone' tactics with their missiles decades before it became a popular thing, which is still vastly superior to those that are now advertised currently. Those swarm drones that are advertised are literally orders of magnitude less lethal than what the USSR Navy had, but the current narrative is that the Federation is 'years behind in UAVs'

    As you point out the wolf pack design of the missiles cooperating and sharing tasks and information is the sort of technology the west is talking about now for use with swarm drones... 1970s vs 2018... yeah... who exactly is behind...

    Of course when F-35s gets the ability to detect targets and pass information on to nearby ship or SAM sites it will be new and high tech...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:59 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Ground mapping by Su-34 radar. It looks like long range mapping with lower resolution.

    That looks pretty good resolution to me... for radar... thnks for posting.

    The Russkies also had 'swarm-drone' tactics with their missiles decades before it became a popular thing, which is still vastly superior to those that are now advertised currently. Those swarm drones that are advertised are literally orders of magnitude less lethal than what the USSR Navy had, but the current narrative is that the Federation is 'years behind in UAVs'

    As you point out the wolf pack design of the missiles cooperating and sharing tasks and information is the sort of technology the west is talking about now for use with swarm drones... 1970s vs 2018... yeah... who exactly is behind...

    Of course when F-35s gets the ability to detect targets and pass information on to nearby ship or SAM sites it will be new and high tech...

    As advertised at 2:30




    ....BTW as you can tell at the beginning of the video, the F-35 is the only multi role 5G fighter Wink, with its unmatched super-cruising and dogfighting... lol1
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    Post  Hole on Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:41 am

    Well, it is good to start the day with a laugh. Laughing

    But seriously… even the latest version of the MiG-21 could beat it in a dogfight.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:56 am

    Don't forget its low flyaway price of $20 million US dollars...
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:14 am


    Ground mapping by Su-34 radar. It looks like long range mapping with lower resolution.

    I remember seeing the radar display of a ground attack Tornado in the 1980s... the display was red and it was a mess... they used it but I don't know how they worked out what was what.... in comparison the display above almost looks like a grainy photograph...
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:38 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    Ground mapping by Su-34 radar. It looks like long range mapping with lower resolution.

    That looks pretty good resolution to me... for radar... thnks for posting.

    The Russkies also had 'swarm-drone' tactics with their missiles decades before it became a popular thing, which is still vastly superior to those that are now advertised currently. Those swarm drones that are advertised are literally orders of magnitude less lethal than what the USSR Navy had, but the current narrative is that the Federation is 'years behind in UAVs'

    As you point out the wolf pack design of the missiles cooperating and sharing tasks and information is the sort of technology the west is talking about now for use with swarm drones... 1970s vs 2018... yeah... who exactly is behind...

    Of course when F-35s gets the ability to detect targets and pass information on to nearby ship or SAM sites it will be new and high tech...

    As advertised at 2:30




    ....BTW as you can tell at the beginning of the video, the F-35 is the only multi role 5G fighter Wink, with its unmatched super-cruising and dogfighting... lol1

    They decrease the robustness of the system.

    What happens is they saying the next:
    1. saving cost by making everything more integrated
    2 They recognise the integration cost is way more than the actual system cost
    3. They cut back the capabilities / procurement number to keep a lid on the increasing cost.
    4. The system capability maintained by decreasing the redundancy.

    Now, the thing that happens will be the equivalent of running a complicated scheme of dishwashing washing during lunch to decrease the number of tableware ,and save money on it. It will be a complex system, easy to breakdown, and the received benefit will be way less than calculated due to the increase maintenance/ management cost.

    So, they will have a system that can be defeated by ECM jamming, and the jamming on its own can cut back to fraction the system capability.

    They transform the robust and reliable military stuff to cheap consumer stuff ,that cheap when works, but it can works only in a narrow range of conditions.
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    Post  medo on Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:07 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Ground mapping by Su-34 radar. It looks like long range mapping with lower resolution.

    I remember seeing the radar display of a ground attack Tornado in the 1980s... the display was red and it was a mess... they used it but I don't know how they worked out what was what.... in comparison the display above almost looks like a grainy photograph...

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    Ground mapping from Su-24M radar.


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    ground mapping at AJS-37 Viggen


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    High res SAR APG-76


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    Post  medo on Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:09 pm

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    Ground mapping of Hmeimim airbase from Su-35 Irbis radar.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:54 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:

    They decrease the robustness of the system.
    {}

    Now, the thing that happens will be the equivalent of running a complicated scheme of dishwashing washing during lunch to decrease the number of tableware ,and save money on it. It will be a complex system, easy to breakdown, and the received benefit will be way less than calculated due to the increase maintenance/ management cost.

    So, they will have a system that can be defeated by ECM jamming, and the jamming on its own can cut back to fraction the system capability.

    They transform the robust and reliable military stuff to cheap consumer stuff ,that cheap when works, but it can works only in a narrow range of conditions.

    So what is your vision of 5g fighter? simple? ekhm Russia is going exactly the same road BTW.
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    Post  ult on Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:31 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:From another angle
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    It's in the air again.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:41 pm

    medo wrote:Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News - Page 32 Zwwofn10

    Ground mapping of Hmeimim airbase from Su-35 Irbis radar.

    Holy molly. The Su-35 has better terrain mapping than Su-34! Unless my eyes deceive me. They should look into Su-34 to use something new for radar.
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    Post  medo on Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:05 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    medo wrote:Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News - Page 32 Zwwofn10

    Ground mapping of Hmeimim airbase from Su-35 Irbis radar.

    Holy molly.  The Su-35 has better terrain mapping than Su-34!  Unless my eyes deceive me.  They should look into Su-34 to use something new for radar.

    Irbis from Su-35 have really excellent terrain mapping resolution. Radar from Su-34 is older than irbis, but the area in the Su-34 picture is also quite wider comparing to just a part of Hmeimim base with Su-35. In wider area small object are more together, what make lower resolution on the screen. I wonder, what resolution have Su-34 radar if they select only the bridge over the river to have similar area as Hmeimim base.
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:57 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Singular_Transform wrote:

    They decrease the robustness of the system.
    {}

    Now, the thing that happens will be the equivalent of running a complicated scheme of dishwashing washing during lunch to decrease the number of tableware ,and save money on it. It will be a complex system, easy to breakdown, and the received benefit will be way less than calculated due to the increase maintenance/ management cost.

    So, they will have a system that can be defeated by ECM jamming, and the jamming on its own can cut back to fraction the system capability.

    They transform the robust and reliable military stuff to cheap consumer stuff ,that cheap when works, but it can works only in a narrow range of conditions.

    So what is your vision of 5g fighter? simple? ekhm  Russia is going exactly the same road BTW.
    No, the russians going to different direction.

    Check the F-35, under powered, slow, small, its strength coming from "networking", "stealth" "superior electronics" and so on.
    Check the typical russian jest ,or su-57, big, twin engine, powerful, alone with degraded stealth more capable than the F-35 with full whistles and belts.

    The system depending on robust elements, and the interconnection makes everything more powerful.
    In the USA doctrine the system has weak elements, and the performance of elements depending on the interconnections.
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    Post  LMFS on Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:59 am

    Singular_Transform wrote:The system depending on robust elements, and the interconnection makes everything more powerful.
    In the USA doctrine the system has weak elements, and the performance of elements depending on the interconnections.
    Cannot imagine the US doing this on purpose but in the end you are right, they are over-reliant on hi-tech toys with many practical issues. I guess the need for overwhelming superiority to keep an aggressive foreign policy tolerated at home causes them exaggerating in the cutting-edge side of their weapons beyond what is really effective.
    Russia cannot outspend the US and do not aim at utter superiority in any field to make aggression profitable, therefore they must carefully analyse the sensibility of their solutions against a determined American effort in any direction before committing the budget for development. The result is that they normally as you say opt for single elements with little or no clear weak spots that could be easily exploited, from carriers with ASM missiles to super-manoeuverable fighters that are also LO and networked. In war every element should be capable to hold its own at least minimally instead of being hostage of its supporting assets.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:13 am

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    So what is your vision of 5g fighter? simple? ekhm  Russia is going exactly the same road BTW.
    No, the russians going to different direction.

    Check the F-35, under powered, slow, small, its strength coming from "networking", "stealth" "superior electronics" and so on.
    Check the typical russian jest ,or su-57, big, twin engine, powerful, alone with degraded stealth more capable than the F-35 with full whistles and belts.

    The system depending on robust elements, and the interconnection makes everything more powerful.
    In the USA doctrine the system has weak elements, and the performance of elements depending on the interconnections.

    BTW and in Russian doctrine  there are  no weak elements?


    OK then we are actually talking about an implementation of 2 different approaches.  I'm afraid that comparison one to one makes not much sense because F-35 and Su-57 doctrine of application can vary so much it might be not really comparable.


    Do you have more view on US doctrine wrt stealth? if tis so bad why they gone that way?  American can be ruthless invaders but they are not definitely not stupid.




    LMFS wrote:
    Singular_Transform wrote:The system depending on robust elements, and the interconnection makes everything more powerful.
    In the USA doctrine the system has weak elements, and the performance of elements depending on the interconnections.
    Cannot imagine the US doing this on purpose but in the end you are right, they are over-reliant on hi-tech toys with many practical issues. I guess the need for overwhelming superiority to keep an aggressive foreign policy tolerated at home causes them exaggerating in the cutting-edge side of their weapons beyond what is really effective.
    Russia cannot outspend the US and do not aim at utter superiority in any field to make aggression profitable, therefore they must carefully analyse the sensibility of their solutions against a determined American effort in any direction before committing the budget for development. The result is that they normally as you say opt for single elements with little or no clear weak spots that could be easily exploited, from carriers with ASM missiles to super-manoeuverable fighters that are also LO and networked. In war every element should be capable to hold its own at least minimally instead of being hostage of its supporting assets.

    definitely the convincing way of perceiving things. I wonder why US gone so much against maneuverable fighters and made stealth main asset?
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:44 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:definitely the convincing way of perceiving things. I wonder why US gone so much against maneuverable fighters and made stealth main asset?
    Implied in my previous post. They do not want attrition, they want to effortlessly eliminate blips on the screen while remaining unseen and unscathed. As a defender attrition is unavoidable and hence tolerated, as a voluntary aggressor it is not. Hence IMHO the bet in stealth both as military asset and as a tool of propaganda.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:23 am

    LMFS wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:definitely the convincing way of perceiving things. I wonder why US gone so much against maneuverable fighters and made stealth main asset?
    Implied in my previous post. They do not want attrition, they want to effortlessly eliminate blips on the screen while remaining unseen and unscathed. As a defender attrition is unavoidable and hence tolerated, as a voluntary aggressor it is not. Hence IMHO the bet in stealth both as military asset and as a tool of propaganda.



    VLO will work every time only with technological advanced adversary not that good. Then I wonder how their doctrine address this?
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:40 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    VLO will work every time only with technological advanced adversary not that good.  Then I wonder how their doctrine address this?
    Mainly by not fighting advanced adversaries Razz
    Imperial military is a tool for power and profit, not for defence of the homeland after all.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:02 am

    Yes, Syria gets terrorist proxy fighters and US special forces "Advisors"... Russia and China get Sanctions...
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    Post  dino00 on Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:48 pm

    Four Su-34 fighters will enter the Central Military District under state defense order

    EKATERINBURG, Dec 15 - RIA Novosti . The Central Military District Admissions Committee arrived in Novosibirsk to receive and receive new Su-34 fighter-bomber into the aviation regiment stationed in the Chelyabinsk Region, the press service of the Central Military District reports.
    “It is planned that four airplanes will arrive by the end of the year. They will be relocated to the Chelyabinsk region at the Shagol military airfield, where they will form part of a mixed aviation regiment,” the message said.

    All article:
    https://ria.ru/20181215/1548032888.html
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:56 pm

    Laser-television system for the Su-34 in the mode of automatic aerial tracking. As an air target Su-35. The work of the laser-television guidance system of the Su-34 in the automatic tracking of an aerial target. As an air target, today we have a blue-breasted Su-35. In general, this sight on this



    Useful feature in destroying low-flying cruise missiles, and with the Su-34's immense payload, some interesting solutions could be made. Like having a pallet of Igla-S/Verba/Vikhr/Kornet attached to all the hardpoints on each wing, you could easily fit 50 per wing, and engage in a major whack-a-cruise-missile campaign.

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